PALESTINIAN GENOCIDE - ISRAELI-TERRORISM AWARENESS THREAD

[useref15]

I've seen this floating all around the internet. Can't validate it 100% but it's been on many different websites, and it really wouldn't be a shocker if true. Hamas guilty of "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" on its own children.

Report: Hamas Used Child Labor To Build Terror Tunnels; Hundreds Killed

[quote name=url="/t/600484/palestinian-genocide-awareness-thread/870#post_21231442"]

Hamas killed hundreds of children in the construction of its extensive tunnel network, built partly to carry out attacks on children across the Gaza border in Israel. That report--confirmed by Hamas itself--emerged in 2012, not from the Israeli government, but the sympathetic Journal of Palestine Studies, in an article that otherwise celebrated the secret tunnel system as a symbol of Palestinian resistance to the Israeli "siege" of the Gaza Strip.

Pelham wrote that despite the economic success of the tunnels underneath the Egyptian border, which enriched Hamas through a thriving black market as well as arming it with new weapons, there were a few drawbacks. One of these was a "cavalier approach to child labor and tunnel fatalities," he noted. "During a police patrol that the author was permitted to accompany in December 2011, nothing was done to impede the use of children in the tunnels, where, much as in Victorian coal mines, they are prized for their nimble bodies. At least 160 children have been killed in the tunnels, according to Hamas officials" (emphasis added).

Though some children likely worked voluntarily, the fact that there were public complaints about child deaths, to which Hamas felt compelled to respond at least superficially, is evidence of some amount of coercion. The number of deaths since 2012 has yet to be reported, but almost certainly exceeds the number Pelham reported.
To sum up: Hamas is not only using child labor, but likely child slavery, in building its terror tunnel network. While the world worries obsessively over the child casualties of Israeli attacks on Hamas targets in Gaza, it has ignored Hamas's deliberate killing of hundreds of Palestinian children, over the objections of the local populace.

The knowledge that Hamas used children to dig tunnels for smuggling and terror up to 25 meters below ground changes the moral calculation of the war significantly. Not only does Hamas show extreme indifference to the lives of Palestinian children by using them as human shields, placing rockets in UN schools and the like, but it actively destroys those lives by sending Palestinian children to die underground in 19th century conditions.

Those defending the Palestinian resistance to Israel--and, equally, those demanding a ceasefire that would leave the Hamas tunnel network in place--are effectively defending a slaveholding regime more odious in moral terms than any the world has seen since the child soldiers of Joseph Kony's brutal Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda, or the forced labor camps of the Nazis in the Second World War, who set children to work for the war effort.
It is rather ironic that President Barack Obama, who touted his own election in 2008 as an answer to the moral stain of slavery in America, would insist today on shoring up a Hamas administration that demonstrably uses child slavery. The Israeli government was reportedly shocked at how closely Obama's ceasefire terms reflect the Hamas position. The American public ought to be shocked at how cynically Obama has cast morality aside.


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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...ed-Child-Labor-to-Build-Tunnels-Hundreds-Died

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/07/2...ld-labor-build-terror-tunnels-hundreds-killed

http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israe...ort-hamas-used-child-labor-in-tunnel-building

 

[createdestroy]

Useref15... I'm not pro Palestinian by any means... But there are no direct sources for your quote.. and the only sites that show the same thing verbatim are right wing blogs and Fox news.....

 

[oneilmatt]

So because Conservatives say it it mustn't be true? This isnt an American Partisan issue.

 

[createdestroy]

So because Conservatives say it it mustn't be true? This isnt an American Partisan issue.

Hmm I gave two peices of evidence that made me question the validity of his quote. Why did you only respond to one as though that was my only reasoning.....

 

[useref15]

Useref15... I'm not pro Palestinian by any means... But there are no direct sources for your quote.. and the only sites that show the same thing verbatim are right wing blogs and Fox news.....

[quote name=url="/t/600484/palestinian-genocide-awareness-thread/870#post_21231763"]

A similarly cavalier approach to child labor and tunnel fatalities damaged the movement’s standing with human-rights groups, despite government assurances dating back to 2008 that it was considering curbs. During a police patrol that the author was permitted to accompany in December 2011, nothing was done to impede the use of children in the tunnels, where, much as in Victorian coal mines, they are prized for their nimble bodies. At least 160 children have been killed in the tunnels, according to Hamas officials. Safety controls on imports appear similarly lax, although the TAC insists that a sixteen-man contingent carries out sporadic spot-checks.

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http://www.palestine-studies.org/journals.aspx?id=11424&jid=1&href=fulltext

 

[me love nutella]

10 Palestinians killed as Israel bombs Gaza playground, hospital
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=716699

8 children dead. 40 people injured overall. They were all in there in their Muslim celebration Eid clothes for the end of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

Israel tried to deny and claim it was due to failed Hamas rockets. Of course all to avoid responsibility for their war crimes. It is confirmed from the scene from examination it was inflicted by an Israeli strike. Reporters and journalists witnessed it and confirmed it was an Israeli drone too.

This military is barbaric. Killing civilians no different than Syria's Assad and other cruel despot regimes around the world.

 

[oneilmatt]

Pro Palestinians claiming it was Israeli is just as valid as Israel claiming it was a failed Hamas strike, not very. Hamas still in the wrong. People will continue to die because they cannot and will not win this conflict. If they cared about their citizens at all this would have been over a while ago. Hiding rockets in schools, hospitals, mosques. This is what they want either way.

 

[Animal Thug]

How many times has this "hamas hiding weapons in schools, hospitals, etc" claim been debunked?

Israel is just Israeli'n I see..still living by the terrorist codes....no morals, no regard for civilan lives.

 

[Animal Thug]

The Israeli army, however, said that the deaths were a result of "failed rocket attacks" launched by Palestinian militants.

Sounds like some terrorist excuse made to me.

Unbelieveable.

 

[me love nutella]

By the way, let me add it is also deplorable and barbaric that 4 Israeli civilians were killed by mortar fire on a kibbutz close to the Gaza border last night.

 

[rhythm808]

How many times has this "hamas hiding weapons in schools, hospitals, etc" claim been debunked?

Israel is just Israeli'n I see..still living by the terrorist codes....no morals, no regard for civilan lives.

It hasn't been debunked a single time. 

 

[Animal Thug]

I'm sick of this **** man :x

On the day these kids were celebrating their holiday, you go and blow them on a playground?

And these are the people some of you are coming and defending? This is TERRORISM. Blantant, downright terrorism.

I just literally threw away my food that I was just eating. I can't sit here at my desk and a hot plated food knowing you have terrorist group dressed up as a military, just killing children man.

Im sick man

 

[Animal Thug]

How many times has this "hamas hiding weapons in schools, hospitals, etc" claim been debunked?


Israel is just Israeli'n I see..still living by the terrorist codes....no morals, no regard for civilan lives.

It hasn't been debunked a single time. 

Stop quoting me. I won't respond to those who support terrorism.

Matter of fact, you're just another one going on my block-list.

 

[useref15]

How many times has this "hamas hiding weapons in schools, hospitals, etc" claim been debunked?

Israel is just Israeli'n I see..still living by the terrorist codes....no morals, no regard for civilan lives.

Debunked? The United Nations caught rockets in schools twice within the past week.

 

[me love nutella]

Pro Palestinians claiming it was Israeli is just as valid as Israel claiming it was a failed Hamas strike, not very. Hamas still in the wrong. People will continue to die because they cannot and will not win this conflict. If they cared about their citizens at all this would have been over a while ago. Hiding rockets in schools, hospitals, mosques. This is what they want either way.

As animal thug claimed, those points have been debunked millions of times. The two UNRWA schools with supposed rockets were vacant and those allegations of rockets that used to be there still have to be investigated.

Israel used the same excuse of Hamas using human shields and hiding rockets in civilian infrastructure to excuse their killing spree. Human rights group went to investigate and found it to be lies and Hamas never hid rockets there.

Even if rockets were hidden there, Israel has absolutely no right to kill thousands of civilians in the premise. Violating international law on all grounds.

 

[Animal Thug]

How many times has this "hamas hiding weapons in schools, hospitals, etc" claim been debunked?

Israel is just Israeli'n I see..still living by the terrorist codes....no morals, no regard for civilan lives.

Debunked? The United Nations caught rockets in schools twice within the past week.

Those buildings were vacant.

Just quit it bro, Quit trying to rationlize terrorism. Stop it. It wont be acknowledge by me here, at all.

 

[rhythm808]

Stop quoting me. I won't respond to those who support terrorism.

Matter of fact, you're just another one going on my block-list.

Oh wow, I'm honored to have gotten on the block list of a liar. 

 

[rhythm808]

Those buildings were vacant.

Just quit it bro, Quit trying to rationlize terrorism. Stop it. It wont be acknowledge by me here, at all.

They had missles in a vacant school that is in between two active schools with over 1500 students.  You think that explosions are limited to the building that they are stored in?


Keep up your lying AT. 

 

[useref15]

Those buildings were vacant.

Just quit it bro, Quit trying to rationlize terrorism. Stop it. It wont be acknowledge by me here, at all.

I'm interested to hear what you have to say about Hamas committing "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" on 160 children dying while building terror tunnels....

You ignored that post.

And, Hamas breaking humanitarian cease fires when Israel kept giving extensions. Shows how much they really care about their own people.

 

[rhythm808]

Look Animal Thug....a bunch of people like you!

 

[Animal Thug]

Before Monday, more than 1,030 Palestinians, mostly civilians, 43 Israeli soldiers and three civilians in Israeli had been killed.

At least 10 people - eight of them children - were killed in Monday afternoon's blasts in Gaza City, Palestinian health officials said.

Palestinian officials say the 10 were killed by Israeli missile strikes, but Israel says the explosions were caused by rockets misfired by "terrorists

:x

You know what's the only thing keeping me sane here? Is knowing that the world has finally caught on to the terrorist-ways that Israel has bestowed upon itself. The world is catching on. The world has finally begun to realize how much stuff this country has is getting away with, further isolating itself away from the rest of the world. Social media has brought awareness to people who had no clue about this conflict whatsover, and when they now hear the word "Israel"; it's beginning to become synonymous with Terrorism.

And rightfully so. So go ahead, Israel...keep isolating yourself away from the world...

 

[rhythm808]

You know what's the only thing keeping me sane here? Is knowing that the world has finally caught on to the terrorist-ways that Israel has bestowed upon itself. The world is catching on. The world has finally begun to realize how much stuff this country has is getting away with, further isolating itself away from the rest of the world. Social media has brought awareness to people who had no clue about this conflict whatsover, and when they now hear the word "Israel"; it's beginning to become synonymous with Terrorism.

And rightfully so. So go ahead, Israel...keep isolating yourself away from the world...

LOL....myself and all of my friends side with Israel....none of us are Jewish or Arab or Muslim.  You are delusional. 

 

[useref15]

Look Animal Thug....a bunch of people like you!

Eh, I don't understand what that cameraman was trying to accomplish. He was looking for trouble, IMO.

 

[useref15]

:x

You know what's the only thing keeping me sane here? Is knowing that the world has finally caught on to the terrorist-ways that Israel has bestowed upon itself. The world is catching on. The world has finally begun to realize how much stuff this country has is getting away with, further isolating itself away from the rest of the world. Social media has brought awareness to people who had no clue about this conflict whatsover, and when they now hear the word "Israel"; it's beginning to become synonymous with Terrorism.

And rightfully so. So go ahead, Israel...keep isolating yourself away from the world...

I think you're a little delusional. I think a lot more people understand and realize more then you do that Hamas is a terrorist organization with the sole purpose to kill and exterminate.

 

[me love nutella]

Debunked? The United Nations caught rockets in schools twice within the past week.

5) Hamas hides its weapons in homes, mosques and schools and uses human shields.

This is arguably one of Israel's most insidious claims, because it blames Palestinians for their own death and deprives them of even their victimhood. Israel made the same argument in its war against Lebanon in 2006 and in its war against Palestinians in 2008. Notwithstanding its military cartoon sketches, Israel has yet to prove that Hamas has used civilian infrastructure to store military weapons. The two cases where Hamas indeed stored weapons in UNRWA schools, the schools were empty. UNRWA discovered the rockets and publicly condemned the violation of its sanctity.

International human rights organizations that have investigated these claims have determined that they are not true. It attributed the high death toll in Israel's 2006 war on Lebanon to Israel's indiscriminate attacks. Human Rights Watch notes:

The evidence Human Rights Watch uncovered in its on-the-ground investigations refutes [Israel's] argument…we found strong evidence that Hezbollah stored most of its rockets in bunkers and weapon storage facilities located in uninhabited fields and valleys, that in the vast majority of cases Hezbollah fighters left populated civilian areas as soon as the fighting started, and that Hezbollah fired the vast majority of its rockets from pre-prepared positions outside villages.
In fact, only Israeli soldiers have systematically used Palestinians as human shields. Since Israel's incursion into the West Bank in 2002, it has used Palestinians as human shields by tying young Palestinians onto the hoods of their cars or forcing them to go into a home where a potential militant may be hiding.

Even assuming that Israel's claims were plausible, humanitarian law obligates Israel to avoid civilian casualties that "would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated." A belligerent force must verify whether civilian or civilian infrastructure qualifies as a military objective. In the case of doubt, "whether an object which is normally dedicated to civilian purposes, such as a place of worship, a house or other dwelling or a school, is being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it shall be presumed not to be so used."

In the over thee weeks of its military operation, Israel has demolished 3,175 homes, at least a dozen with families inside; destroyed five hospitals and six clinics; partially damaged sixty-four mosques and two churches; partially to completely destroyed eight government ministries; injured 4,620; and killed over 700 Palestinians. At plain sight, these numbers indicate Israel's egregious violations of humanitarian law, ones that amount to war crimes.

Beyond the body count and reference to law, which is a product of power, the question to ask is, What is Israel's end goal? What if Hamas and Islamic Jihad dug tunnels beneath the entirety of the Gaza Strip—they clearly did not, but let us assume they did for the sake of argument. According to Israel's logic, all of Gaza's 1.8 million Palestinians are therefore human shields for being born Palestinian in Gaza. The solution is to destroy the 360-kilometer square strip of land and to expect a watching world to accept this catastrophic loss as incidental. This is possible only by framing and accepting the dehumanization of Palestinian life. Despite the absurdity of this proposal, it is precisely what Israeli society is urging its military leadership to do. Israel cannot bomb Palestinians into submission, and it certainly cannot bomb them into peace.