PALESTINIAN GENOCIDE - ISRAELI-TERRORISM AWARENESS THREAD

[paliplaya2010]

They didn't take land that was Palestinian.  They were given land that was owned by Britain.  Palestine owned nothing. 

thats like saying the native americans didnt own anything... exact same scenario. colonizers came to the americas claimed the land was theirs and ethnically cleansed the population and forced them into refugee camps. its crazy how similar of a story this is and yet you still deny it. at the end of the day, people were living there and got kicked out of their homes. this is fact.

settlements that are being built in the west bank also violate international law. but youll just ignore that too

 

[rhythm808]

thats like saying the native americans didnt own anything... exact same scenario. colonizers came to the americas claimed the land was theirs and ethnically cleansed the population and forced them into refugee camps. its crazy how similar of a story this is and yet you still deny it. at the end of the day, people were living there and got kicked out of their homes. this is fact.

No it isn't the same thing.  The Native Americans didn't enter a war against the United States.  The United States came and took the land.

 The Ottoman Empire joined WW1 on the side of the Central Powers, lost, and a result of losing, lost their land.  Britain OWNED that land, the Palestinians did not.  Britain decided to give the land that they owned to Israel.  Nothing was stolen from the Palestinians. 

 

[rhythm808]

 
They have illegally been taking land/building settlements that should be under Palestinian rule based on the UN divisions. 

"The Convention prohibits many of the inhumane practices of the Nazis and the Soviet Union during and before the Second World War - the mass transfer of people into and out of occupied territories for purposes of extermination, slave labor or colonization, for example....The Jewish settlers in the West Bank are most emphatically volunteers. They have not been "deported" or "transferred" to the area by the Government of Israel, and their movement involves none of the atrocious purposes or harmful effects on the existing population it is the goal of the Geneva Convention to prevent."

 

[paliplaya2010]

No it isn't the same thing.  The Native Americans didn't enter a war against the United States.  The United States came and took the land.


 The Ottoman Empire joined WW1 on the side of the Central Powers, lost, and a result of losing, lost their land.  Britain OWNED that land, the Palestinians did not.  Britain decided to give the land that they owned to Israel.  Nothing was stolen from the Palestinians. 

really? the native americans didnt enter a war with the united states to protect the land they lived on? you can't be serious right now... im certain this stuff was taught in like middle school

 

[paliplaya2010]

"The Convention prohibits many of the inhumane practices of the Nazis and the Soviet Union during and before the Second World War - the mass transfer of people into and out of occupied territories for purposes of extermination, slave labor or colonization, for example....The Jewish settlers in the West Bank are most emphatically volunteers. They have not been "deported" or "transferred" to the area by the Government of Israel, and their movement involves none of the atrocious purposes or harmful effects on the existing population it is the goal of the Geneva Convention to prevent."

Presenting their findings in Geneva after a nearly six-month inquiry for the United Nations Human Rights Council, a panel of three judges, led by Christine Chanet of France, presented its view that Israel’s settlements violated the Geneva Conventions, which prohibit a state from transferring its own civilian population into territory it has occupied.

so i guess I guess your smarter than the UN human rights council and they dont know how to judge international law.... your pretty bad at this. youre clearly bias. but try again

 

[duba169]

you are trying WAY too hard to defed Hamas from killig it's own citzens.

it says 20 for protesting on Monday then mentions 30 over the past few days that were "spies".

unidentified sources told the Palestinian press news agency

unidetified sources like 90% of the time... do you want them identified and murdered?

The israelies have done some messed up things and share blame. Stop defending everything Hamas does.

I'm not aware of any people who can claim a right to the land of America.... while there were Romans, Ottomans, Jews, Brits etc. nowhere ear the same.



Both side thiks the other sources are biased. it's impossible to talk in a constructive maner

 

[paliplaya2010]

you are trying WAY too hard to defed Hamas from killig it's own citzens.

it says 20 for protesting on Monday then mentions 30 over the past few days that were "spies".

unidentified sources told the Palestinian press news agency

unidetified sources like 90% of the time... do you want them identified and murdered?

The israelies have done some messed up things and share blame. Stop defending everything Hamas does.

im not defending everything they do. but in america we believe in innocence until proven guilty. how about you prove that the killing of those supposed spies were not dealt with properly...

 

[duba169]

no you're right i'm sure they received a fair and proper trial. my mistake.

 

[rhythm808]

really? the native americans didnt enter a war with the united states to protect the land they lived on? you can't be serious right now... im certain this stuff was taught in like middle school

Here's the difference...the Native Americans owned that land.  The Palestinians owned nothing. 

 

[paliplaya2010]

no you're right i'm sure they received a fair and proper trial. my mistake.

your bias source that is clearly trying to villainize hamas even stated there was an investigation where evidence was found. so who are we to say from the outside looking that it wasnt dealt with properly until we can prove it was. not saying that i agree with what they did, but im not going to deem hamas guilty until its proven that the correct measures were not taken

 

[rhythm808]

so i guess I guess your smarter than the UN human rights council and they dont know how to judge international law.... your pretty bad at this. youre clearly bias. but try again

No actually that was a quote from the former Dean of Law School at Yale. 

 

[paliplaya2010]

Here's the difference...the Native Americans owned that land.  The Palestinians owned nothing. 

please make sense of how the native american ownership is different than palestinian ownership. if anything palestinians have more ownership of their land than did native americans bc theres actual documentation of land ownwership and permanent houses built on said land. My dad has a key to the house my grandpa was kicked out of in yaffa. please explain this to me

 

[paliplaya2010]

No actually that was a quote from the former Dean of Law School at Yale. 

ok? that makes him more qualified than the UN panel who does this for a living. i think not. try again.

 

[rhythm808]

please make sense of how the native american ownership is different than palestinian ownership. if anything palestinians have more ownership of their land than did native americans bc theres actual documentation of land ownwership and permanent houses built on said land. My dad has a key to the house my grandpa was kicked out of in yaffa. please explain this to me

Palestinians didn't own the land.  Britain owned the land after the Ottoman Empire lost WW1 on the side of the Central Powers.  Britain gave the land that they owned to Israel. 

 

[duba169]

that is not what the article says.

Executes alleged spies

COMMA

Shoots protesters

then gives two sets of numbers. two separate thoughts.

 

[paliplaya2010]

Palestinians didn't own the land.  Britain owned the land after the Ottoman Empire lost WW1 on the side of the Central Powers.  Britain gave the land that they owned to Israel. 

ok britian owned the land through COLONIZATION just as colonizers the massacred native americans owned the americas through COLONIZATION. that does not change the fact that people lived on that land. so please better explain yourself

 

[rhythm808]

ok? that makes him more qualified than the UN panel who does this for a living. i think not. try again.

The UNWRA says that Hamas is storing weapons in schools.  Do you know better than them? 

 

[paliplaya2010]

that is not what the article says.

Executes alleged spies

COMMA

Shoots protesters

then gives two sets of numbers. two separate thoughts.

so your just going to ignore the part about proving they didnt handle it right? bc this article doesnt do that.

 

[rhythm808]

ok britian owned the land through COLONIZATION just as colonizers the massacred native americans owned the americas through COLONIZATION. that does not change the fact that people lived on that land. so please better explain yourself

Not through colonization.  The Ottoman Empire opted to join the war on the side of the Central Powers with hopes of expanding their empire.  However, they lost  and with it lost ownership of their land.  

Also, the land was conquered from the Jewish people by the Romans.  So if we are going to ignore colonization, it would still be Israeli land. 

Either way, you are wrong. 

 

[paliplaya2010]

The UNWRA says that Hamas is storing weapons in schools.  Do you know better than them? 

ok so your changing the subject. you dont want to admit defeat? i got you there, so your gonna try another point? yes hamas hid weapons in a vacant school. they are wrong. key word. vacant. that does not give israel the right to bomb schools, are you really defending that? your losing this argument pretty atrociously if i must say so must self.

 

[rhythm808]

ok so your changing the subject. you dont want to admit defeat? i got you there, so your gonna try another point? yes hamas hid weapons in a vacant school. they are wrong. key word. vacant. that does not give israel the right to bomb schools, are you really defending that? your losing this argument pretty atrociously if i must say so must self.

Well I'm just asking you if you know better than the UN because it seemed like you were mocking me for having a position that isn't within the standards of their consensus. 

And don't forget, you are arguing about a piece of land that the Palenstinians have no ownership over.  If anything, the Palestinians are the occupiers.

 

[duba169]

so your just going to ignore the part about proving they didnt handle it right? bc this article doesnt do that.

I'm saying that even if they killed the spies for treason they clearly shouldn't have killed the protesters

a vacant situated between two other UNRWA schools

yeah they are angels

 

[paliplaya2010]

Not through colonization.  The Ottoman Empire opted to join the war on the side of the Central Powers with hopes of expanding their empire.  However, they lost  and with it lost ownership of their land.  


Also, the land was conquered from the Jewish people by the Romans.  So if we are going to ignore colonization, it would still be Israeli land. 


Either way, you are wrong. 

no jews werent living there in 1948 (they were in jerusalem, i know that) but no where else really. this is exactly what happened, palestinians were living there and got displaced. regardless of whose watch it was over, there were people living there. they have right to that land. if you cant see the similarity in this and the native americans your choosing not too

 

[rhythm808]

no jews werent living there in 1948 (they were in jerusalem, i know that) but no where else really. this is exactly what happened, palestinians were living there and got displaced. regardless of whose watch it was over, there were people living there. they have right to that land. if you cant see the similarity in this and the native americans your choosing not too

They have no right to that land.  The land was owned by Britain, not Palestine or Palestinians. 

 

[paliplaya2010]

I'm saying that even if they killed the spies for treason they clearly shouldn't have killed the protesters

yes i agree. but who is to say that the aimlessly killed the protesters. if they were, why didnt they kill all of them? im saying there way more to the story. and it has no point of even being brought into this discussion. your trying to say israels massacre is ok because MAYBE hamas killed civilians. even if it is proven, that does not make what israel is doing ok