PALESTINIAN GENOCIDE - ISRAELI-TERRORISM AWARENESS THREAD

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...hameful-than-attacking-sleeping-children.html

"This morning a UN school sheltering thousands of Palestinian families suffered a reprehensible attack," Mr Ban said during a visit to Costa Rica. "It is unjustifiable, and demands accountability and justice." - UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon

It's gotten to a point where even the White House has now condemned Israel for the attack
 
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Where's all the IDF defenders? What's your excuses for all the people the killed today? 

Are they defending themselves from kids and women who are sitting in a UN building.
 
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Missles were found in 3 UN schools so stop glancing over that. Maybe they were firing back or had information of more weaponry at this new place. If not then yes it's reprehensible. Obviously. Not like anyone is going to deny that. I see a power plant was also taken out which means things can get much worse.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/w...-find-themselves-allied-with-israel.html?_r=1

Interesting article that discusses the role that islamism plays into Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan's new stance on this conflict and the consequences.
 
Lmao at dudes in here condemning Isis and supporting Hamas :lol: The only difference is that Hamas is pandering to the emotions of Westerners and Isis dont give a *
 
oneilmatt said:
Lmao at dudes in here condemning Isis and supporting Hamas
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The only difference is that Hamas is pandering to the emotions of Westerners and Isis dont give a *
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Who is supporting hamas? I'm confused 
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We have stated millions times over, the rockets were in vacant schools and in one case they were removed. Let the U.N. do full investigations on it.Here is my second comment even if rockets were hidden in schools with mother, children and innocent men and elderly, what gives Israel the right to commit massacres on this level? In operations killing civilians? ? For ****** rockets They can stop? Israel's claims that Hamas uses civilians as human shields do not absolve it of responsibility for civilian deaths.Israeli forces have killed more than 200 Palestinian children in the Gaza Strip over the past 23 days. In order to obfuscate this harsh reality, Israeli officials claim "self-defence" and contend that civilian deaths are justified because Hamas allegedly uses Palestinians in Gaza as human shields. Israel is an occupying power that is attacking and destroying an occupied Palestinian civilian population. These civilian deaths are not collateral damage. They are war crimes.To be clear, the use of civilians as human shields is prohibited under international law and involves forcing civilians to directly assist in military operations or using them to shield a military object or troops from attack. The rhetoric continually voiced by Israeli officials regarding "human shields" amounts to nothing more than generalisations that fall short of the precise calculation required by international humanitarian law when determining whether something is actually a military object.Civilians, including children, must never be targeted, and civilian structures and infrastructure are presumed not to be legitimate targets, yet Israel continues to carry out direct attacks on civilian homes, schools, hospitals and mosques.In order to qualify as a military objective, the object must be used for a military purpose and its total or partial destruction would result in a definite military advantage. Only military objectives can be lawful or legitimate objects of an attack. This standard is inflexible and does not change based on another party's conduct.A civilian home, school, or hospital that is in some way deemed by Israeli forces to be "affiliated" with Hamas or another Palestinian armed group does not in itself provide legal justification under international humanitarian law to direct an attack at that object. The standard demands much more, and requires an exacting calculation. Precision is necessary because imprecision leads to war crimes.Palestinian civilians must not be blamed for their own deaths. Even if Hamas or another Palestinian armed group may have violated the laws of war and used civilians as human shields, this does not relieve Israel from its obligations under international law nor does it justify an attack on civilians or civilian structures.
 
why doesn't Hamas designate itself from civilians then? I've never heard an answer for this. i mean i know they wore IDF uniforms but i'm not aware of a reason they can't all wear a certain color to differentiate themselves from civilians

fact of the matter is you want it one way, but it's the other way. all of that legality talk. you guys claim israel is full of terrorists. well then i guess they couldn't care less about "rules" of war and condemning them or telling them to play by certain rules won't change anything especially considerig the fact that they aren't fighting an army

i'm failing to see how a cease fire gets straightened out. neither side looks like they want to. i mean i know that eventually it will as it always happens but this just keeps going on


do you have any opinion on that article that shows how different muslim factions seem to be taking sides because of their opposition to hamas? how does that effect things long term? and i the short term does it prolong this fighting happening now
 
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Frontline Gaza: I'm a Human Being, Not a Human Shield

By Walaa Ghussein Reporting from Gaza City

July 28, 2014 13:15 BST

Do you feel like Hamas is using you as a human shield?'

I've been asked this question by many people since the last campaign of Israeli aggression against Gaza in 2009, and the subject has received reams of media coverage over the last few weeks - far more coverage, in fact, than Israel's killing of hundreds of civilians, its destruction of residential houses and its bombing of hospitals, schools and children's playgrounds.

First of all, let's make one thing clear. It's been shown during the recent days of aggression in Gaza that there is no evidence of Hamas using Palestinians as human shields. This has been verified by international journalists reporting from Gaza, including Jeremy Bowen, the BBC's Middle East editor.

What basis do people have for claiming Hamas is using innocent people to shield its weapons? What evidence do they have? The answer is: none. The people of Gaza are clustering where they are safe, not where they can sit on Hamas rockets. Am I being used as a human shield just for refusing to leave my house? My supposedly safe zone? I have already been forced to flee my house, and I'm still not safe.

The other 1.8 million people living in Gaza are in a similar situation. Our collective home is a rectangular tract of land, about 25 miles long and just a few miles wide, bordered by the Mediterranean Sea on one side and Egypt on another. In such a place, it's difficult for civilians to hide or go anywhere to avoid Israel's airstrikes, artillery and gunboat shells. They have no choice but to stay in their houses waiting to get killed, while Israel continues propagating flimsy accusations that we are being used to hide weapons.
On 24 July a spokesman for UNRWA, the UN's refugee agency in Gaza, said they had received no warning before Israeli forces shelled a school in Beit Hanoun and killed at least 17 displaced civilians who had taken shelter there, and this was not the first time Israeli forces have bombed schools serving as shelters in the besieged Gaza Strip. These schools shelter elderly people, women, children and UN employees; the same people who, according to Israel's PR machine, have been ordered to evacuate their homes before IDF bombing raids.

The civilians in that Beit Hanoun school were not used as human shields for Hamas, it was their own decision to take that school as a last resort, believing that a UN school would be a safer place for them while Israel was terrorising their areas and destroying their houses. Beside schools, Israel has targeted hospitals, opened fire on medics and ambulances, and banned them from entering under-fire areas to evacuate civilians and save their lives - as happened in Al-Shojae'ya and Khuza'a.

“'Our people have no choice but to stay in their houses waiting to get killed.'”
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And let's clarify another point: Hamas is not just a military wing, it's also a political organisation embedded in civilian life, its members are civilians too. We're talking about a movement that runs hospitals, shops and many civic services and offices in Gaza. So when Israel decides to destroy everything related to Hamas and its infrastructure, it means destroying the whole City.

When the IDF targets a house because it belongs to a Hamas member, that means destroying the house and killing the target's whole family, as well as whoever is staying in the house. Neighbours are often caught up in the carnage as well. These people are not human shields; they are simply in the wrong place when the rocket lands.

As a Palestinian living in Gaza, I refuse and denounce the false claims of being used as a human shield for Hamas. It disturbs me that the world cares much more about these arguments than the fact that Israel is committing inhumane war crimes against me and my people. We're all together in this; the Israeli killing machine does not differentiate between civilians or military members, they kill everything that moves.
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/frontline-...tm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=bufferFrom a Gazan on the whole human shields talk
 
DubA169 said:
why doesn't Hamas designate itself from civilians then? I've never heard an answer for this. i mean i know they wore IDF uniforms but i'm not aware of a reason they can't all wear a certain color to differentiate themselves from civilians

fact of the matter is you want it one way, but it's the other way. all of that legality talk. you guys claim israel is full of terrorists. well then i guess they couldn't care less about "rules" of war and condemning them or telling them to play by certain rules won't change anything especially considerig the fact that they aren't fighting an army

i'm failing to see how a cease fire gets straightened out. neither side looks like they want to. i mean i know that eventually it will as it always happens but this just keeps going on


do you have any opinion on that article that shows how different muslim factions seem to be taking sides because of their opposition to hamas? how does that effect things long term? and i the short term does it prolong this fighting happening now
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Militants usually don't have uniforms. They're not like an official army.

You know what some Palestinian militants claim? Well each and every Israeli civilian should be a legitimate target because they serve in the military against us. I find that thinking extremely wrong to justify this reasoning as justification to kill civilians. Especially when they haven't served in the military yet or finished serving where now they are civilians.

Israel is deliberately targeting civilians to follow its doctrine of destroying civilian infrastructure and punish Gazans. There should be no civilians dying like this so inhumanely.

The UN schools called Israel many times and giving them coordinates to not strike. Israel still did. Every time in these stories civilians and witnesses say there are no rockets in their vicinity and they saw no Hamas. They also claim Hamas has never forced them to be human shields.

It is wrong. Damn wrong. So reprehensible and sickening.

As for your article, I already know all this info. Hamas' allies were only the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Iran-Hezbollah-Syrian regime (which now relations have soured). Other countries like Saudi Arabia and even Emirates are indirectly funding Israel to fight Hamas. They have been before this war. Since Hamas became isolated after its alliance with Hezbollah - Syria - iran fizzled, that's why they did the unity with the PA in the West Bank.
 
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oneilmatt said:
Stopped at Walaa Ghussein. Clear bias.
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Bias? This is a Gazan telling her story first hand of what's happening.

I guess if i was being tortured or someone attempted to kill me, the courts should not even listen to me because of bias.

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Bandit Country said:
Based Jesus said:
I love the smell of anti-semitism in the morning. Warms my heart.
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Posts like this are literally WORTHLESS.

Defend your position like an adult or abstain.

Criticizing Israel is not anti-antisemitism. Some of Israel's most robust critics are Jewish.

Grow the **** up.

I support Israel's right to self defense. I just wish Jews, evangelical Christians, and right wingers around the world used their own private funds, instead of my tax dollars, to support causes in which they're interested.
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I dont get it. Israel is fighting against militant Islamists. They might not be Al Queda but they share the same ideology as those who perpatrated 9/11.
 
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