PALESTINIAN GENOCIDE - ISRAELI-TERRORISM AWARENESS THREAD

I just got back from Israel yesterday, and was actually hoping to see one of these threads. Pretty funny to see everybody stand on the Palestinians side, as all of you feel so bad for them.

I had to run into a bomb shelter 3 times on my trip, and I was in Jerusalem. Our entire itinerary was changed because of rockets being flown at Tel Aviv, Haifa, and etc. What nobody seems to understand is how Hamas puts their OWN civilians in harms way. They are firing rockets from schools, mosks, homes, and etc. Look at the international community in this conflict. Hamas is breaking tons of international laws.

Egypt, who always sides on the Arab/Palestinian side has not yet condemned Israel, and are in favor of them destroying Hamas. Should Israel not be allowed to protect its people? There has been literally thousands of rockets fired at civilians in 80% of Israel within the past month. However, because of their advanced technology in the Iron Dome defense system, thankfully, not many of them reach those populated areas with civilians.

Hamas has no regards for anyone, including themselves. Setting up their own people to die. People often complain about how many civilian Palestinians die during these conflicts, but honestly, it's inevitable when they are put on the front lines trying to be a blockade for the terrorists.

No country in the world would allow their civilians to be fired at like Israel is. They have to live in fear day in and out with rockets over their head and sirens going off.

Israel is constantly letting Palestinians in terrorists areas to evacuate and leave ASAP because they will be bombed.

Not sure why I'm wasting my time on this subject, as most members on here are with one side.

Here's a picture where we were driving on a highway and the missle siren alert went off, and the rocket flew right over our head. Luckily, the Iron Dome took care of business.

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No one here is condoning the rocket attacks and we have claimed they are just as wrong. Sorry you had to go through what you did. But you can put yourself in the Palestinians' shoes too. Just try.

Palestinians live in constant poverty, constant oppression, and the bombardment they receive when Israel attacks is a heck lot more deadly and destructive. They are being butchered.

GO in Gaza for a day and let me know how you'll feel after you get out.

They live like cockroaches, and are a people who are being collectively punished for Israel's own agenda. Do not compare to me the beautiful Israeli cities to a hell hole that is Gaza.

What Israelis suffer from the threat of rockets or rockets launched is no where close to the disgusting, vile, and daily constant mistreatment and occupation of Palestinians on a daily basis. They live like caged animals in Gaza and some areas of the West Bank while Israelis have the freedom and luxury of beaches, water, food, and not being treated like an animal just for being Palestinian on their own land.

Please visit Gaza and the West Bank where you will see the impact oof the occupation and then come talk to me about Palestinians.
 
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No one here is condoning the rocket attacks and we have claimed they are just as wrong. Sorry you had to go through what you did. But you can put yourself in the Palestinians' shoes too. Just try.

Palestinians live in constant poverty, constant oppression, and the bombardment they receive when Israel attacks is a heck lot more deadly and destructive. They are being butchered.

GO in Gaza for a day and let me know how you'll feel after you get out.

They live like cockroaches, and are a people who are being collectively punished for Israel's own agenda. Do not compare to me the beautiful Israeli cities to a hell hole that is Gaza.

What Israelis suffer from the threat of rockets or rockets launched is no where close to the disgusting, vile, and daily constant mistreatment and occupation of Palestinians on a daily basis. They live like caged animals in Gaza and some areas of the West Bank while Israelis have the freedom and luxury of beaches, water, food, and not being treated like an animal just for being Palestinian on their own land.

Please visit Gaza and the West Bank where you will see the impact oof the occupation and then come talk to me about Palestinians.

I'm not so sure the majority of this thread isn't condoning the rockets being launched at Israel.

I was supposed to visit Hebron on my trip, but that was of course cancelled. I do understand the conditions of what the Palestinians go through, however, it doesn't have to be that way. Can you tell me what Israel should do for Gaza? It already provides it with daily necessities.

It's a lose/lose for Israel. If they open the boarders or get rid of walls, then they will have an influx of terrorist trying to infiltrate the country. People can condem the wall that seperates the West Bank from the rest of Jerusalem, but unfortunately, it is 100% needed. Also, why should Israel continusouly provide people that live in Gaza with goods when all they want is the destruction of Israel. Did you see that Hamas fired a rocket that landed in an area that cut off electricity to 70,000 Palestinians?

Not sure what you mean when you say they are being butchered. Of course when Israel attacks back, it is going to be more deadly and destructive. They are trying to eliminate terrorist infrastructure, in a densely populated region. There would be A TON less civilian casualities if Hamas didn't fire rockets from schools, playgrounds, Mosks, houses and etc, but thats not the way they operate. For Israels side, it needs to be more destructive, because they are trying to protect their civilians, and Hamas has a large arsenal of weapons that needs to be demoilshed in order to bring stability to Israel.
 
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Israel's Iron Dome Is Amazing, and That's a Problem

Israel’s astonishingly effective Iron Dome air defense has prevented Hamas from killing Israelis and spreading terror in the civilian population. Ironically, though, the better Iron Dome works, the less sympathy the rest of the world has for a nation that remains under rocket attack.

Israel hardly feels like a place under assault from close range. Bars, restaurants, and the Mediterranean beaches are still busy. Businesses are open. Although traffic is lighter than normal, the roads are hardly abandoned. Incoming rockets that would ordinarily wreak havoc are being blown up in the air, causing nothing but a boom, a puff of white smoke, and falling debris. Iron Dome’s success rate hovers around 90 percent. No other system in the world is as effective in shooting down short-range and medium-range rockets.

I was in Jerusalem as a tourist on Thursday afternoon when Iron Dome went into action in the city for the first time. An alarm sounded. We pulled our rental car to the side of the road, jumped out, and lay flat on the ground in a patch of dirt and stones next to the central bus station. People were prostrating themselves all across what passes in Jerusalem for a small park. Others continued to stand. Within a minute we heard muffled booms. We looked up and saw small, wispy clouds in the blue sky—the aftermath of the detonations. Threat over. Someone standing near me called it a miracle.

STORY: Living Through Israel's Thoroughly Modern War
The health ministry in Gaza on Friday reported that Israeli airstrikes against targets in Gaza had killed more than 100 Palestinians, with more than 500 injured. By contrast, as the Jewish Sabbath was about to begin on Friday evening, just one Israeli had died from Hamas’s rocket attacks—an elderly woman in Haifa who had a heart attack while seeking shelter. (Eight others were injured, one seriously, when a rocket hit a gas station in Ashdod on Friday morning.)

But Iron Dome’s very success makes Israel look worse in the eyes of the world. There might well be more sympathy for Israel if Hamas broke through and achieved its objective of killing large numbers of Jews. As is usually the case in this asymmetrical war, the death toll is much higher in Gaza, where innocent women and children have died alongside Hamas operatives. The difference is that while Hamas is trying to kill civilians, Israel is trying to avoid harming them while it goes after combatants. Because Hamas hides its launchers, rocket factories, and stockpiles in densely populated areas, it’s impossible for Israel to avoid killing innocents. On Friday the United Nations high commissioner for human rights, Navi Pillay, said there is “serious doubt” that Israel is complying with international human rights law.

The success of Iron Dome to date also creates painfully high expectations for continued success. The burden is felt most intensely by the operators of the seven (soon to be eight) batteries of Iron Dome interceptors, who are like overworked goalkeepers in the World Cup. The Iron Dome can be configured to operate automatically, but the Israeli air force has chosen to have human beings push the firing buttons. I spoke today with Lieutenant Colonel Assaf Librati, a spokesman for the Israeli Defense Forces, who told me that the people who push the buttons are low-ranking officers, typically from 19 to 23 years old. The officers are authorized to fire extra interceptors if they feel an extra margin of safety is required or to overrule the Iron Dome targeting software if they think it might be mistakenly perceiving a harmless airplane as an incoming rocket. “They’re making sometimes very hard choices,” Librati said.

VIDEO: World Leaders Warn Israel Against Attack on Gaza
It will get harder for Iron Dome to live up to the high expectations for it. Hamas is constantly upgrading its arsenal with faster and longer-range rockets. The nightmare scenario for Israel would be a Hamas or other foe equipped with cruise missiles that can twist and turn in flight to evade interceptors. Or, perhaps sooner, a simultaneous launch of so many rockets that Iron Dome can’t shoot them all down. In a conference call with reporters this evening, Yair Ramati, the director of the Homa Administration within Israel’s defense ministry, said that Iron Dome has improved significantly since its first use in 2011, staying “one step ahead of the enemy.” But he said that Hamas is constantly probing the system for weaknesses.

For now, though, Iron Dome is more popular in Israel than hummus and falafel. And Hamas is still hunting for a way to damage its enemy.

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http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-07-11/israels-iron-dome-is-amazing-and-thats-a-problem
 
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Casualties so far

Israel = ZERO

Palestinians = over 170 dead, and over 1,300 injured

We are seeing a slaughter.
 
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Its religious warfare that dates back since forever.

Especially when your neighbor is your enemy, no treaty that was signed in the 60s would matter to them. If the treaty favored us, they would still attack us and vice versa.

Its not black and white.

According to unbiased intellects on the subject, there's been legit offers of peace on the table many times that the Palestinians wanted. But instead of choosing peace and security, Israel always goes with expansion and the inevitable fighting that's going to come with it. You can't just go on fighting and killing innocent civilians because of the hypothetical "they would keep attacking us." We live in a country where there's a justice system of innocent until proven guilty. 3 Israelis died, nobody knows who did it, and innocent people who are guilty of nothing are getting their homes destroyed and are getting killed and having to bury their children.

I think I'm making an official pro-Palestinian thread tonight to keep the ignorance out. This isn't a sports event where you root for your home team. There are innocent human beings getting slaughtered and people can't put their biases aside to be pro-human life.
 
It hard to feel sorry for Israel when their government estimates that hundreds of Palestinian lives - and more - are worth taking to avenge 3 Israeli deaths. It's a fact that the response is excessive, especially when we consider the effectiveness of the Iron Dome, which has greatly reduced the impact of Hamas without hurting anyone on the Israeli and Palestinian sides. There's absolutely no need to go on an offensive campaign when you can eliminate the effect of the rockets launched at you.

Its religious warfare that dates back since forever.

Especially when your neighbor is your enemy, no treaty that was signed in the 60s would matter to them. If the treaty favored us, they would still attack us and vice versa.

Its not black and white.

According to unbiased intellects on the subject, there's been legit offers of peace on the table many times that the Palestinians wanted. But instead of choosing peace and security, Israel always goes with expansion and the inevitable fighting that's going to come with it. You can't just go on fighting and killing innocent civilians because of the hypothetical "they would keep attacking us." We live in a country where there's a justice system of innocent until proven guilty. 3 Israelis died, nobody knows who did it, and innocent people who are guilty of nothing are getting their homes destroyed and are getting killed and having to bury their children.

I think I'm making an official pro-Palestinian thread tonight to keep the ignorance out. This isn't a sports event where you root for your home team. There are innocent human beings getting slaughtered and people can't put their biases aside to be pro-human life.

This.
 
I love the smell of anti-semitism in the morning. Warms my heart.


oh get outta here with this ********.


if you don't support zionism you're automatically an anti-semite?


listen dude, when it's the other way around it's called terrorism.


but when Israelis do it's called "protecting their land".


Such a ******** double-standard.


And we as American tax-payers don't have a choice we HAVE to aid Israel with our tax dollars.


Here's some numbers.


So while Israel took in $3 billion from America in direct aid and $12-17 billion in the other aid measures mentioned above, they only gave $141 million in foreign aid to nations in need of assistance in 2010.

If the American government took the $15-$20 billion it gives Israel every year and put it into a savings account for the 4.5 million babies born p/yr, every American would receive $8,000-$10,500 upon turning 18 years old. In another option, the US government could give the money away in a lottery and make 15k-20k Americans millionaires every year. Either of these options would provide an incredible boost to the US economy. But the truth is that $15-$20 billion per year is probably just scratching the surface when we look at the cost of America’s relationship with Israel.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/07/17/how-much-does-israel-cost-the-average-american/


Tired of our tax-dollars going to causes and wars I do not support. I'm ******* sick of it. Israel wants to murder Palestinian children? Do it on their own ******* dollar. I don't want that blood on MY hands.

I'm glad public opinion is changing I'm glad people are waking up. I'm glad people are no longer allowing themselves to be brainwashed by pro-Israeli propaganda. And quite frankly I don't give a rat's *** about either side. All I care about is the innocent souls being implicated in this. Being born into this ********.

Blood begets more blood. When blood is spilled in the name of ideology, in the name of God, it's a convolution of that ideology. It's a perversion of the word of God. It's agenda pushing, war-mongering, man-made conflict.


If there is a God, he's above all this ******* nonsense.


Tired of seeing dead babies being pulled from rubble and knowing I am partially responsible because I am an American tax-payer.
 
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It hard to feel sorry for Israel when their government estimates that hundreds of Palestinian lives - and more - are worth taking to avenge 3 Israeli deaths. It's a fact that the response is excessive, especially when we consider the effectiveness of the Iron Dome, which has greatly reduced the impact of Hamas without hurting anyone on the Israeli and Palestinian sides. There's absolutely no need to go on an offensive campaign when you can eliminate the effect of the rockets launched at you.
This.

Excessive is putting it lightly. Dropping 1,470 bombs on supposedly 'terrorist targets' knowing full well that a large number of innocent civilians are at or around these locations is pure sickening and evil. I can understand if this was a fair fight but this is just beyond preposterous.
 
Excessive is putting it lightly. Dropping 1,470 bombs on supposedly 'terrorist targets' knowing full well that a large number of innocent civilians are at or around these locations is pure sickening and evil. I can understand if this was a fair fight but this is just beyond preposterous.


it's disgusting that people continue to find ways to justify it....

they killing kids, how the **** do you think folks are going to respond?


you can be a total pacifist, totally not involved, but the moment your son, daughter, father, mother, wife, husband etc are murdered is a day that it becomes something else.

what happens when young impressionable youth see this on a daily basis?


again blood begets more blood. they're CREATING the "terrorists". at this point.


**** is a slow genocide.
 
This is just sickening. It gets worst the more you looking to this current situation.

Fom the LA times:

Monday also saw the first Palestinian casualty from the current fight outside the Gaza Strip, a 21-year-old shot and killed south of the West Bank city of Hebron during confrontations with Israeli soldiers. Munir Badarin was shot in the leg and left without medical attention until he bled to death, Palestinians reported

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-israeli-airstrikes-gaza-20140714-story.html

Military shot and left the civilian to bleed to death, due to confrontation?

Come on man, that's savage-like. More awareness needs to take place for the Palestinian people, this is a full out slaughter of the people taking by the hands of the Israeli government...it's sad.
 
Lol just saw ABC World News' coverage of this story

Thankfully our generation is giving less and less of a **** about the biased agenda bearing sources of news on TV, and we have the internet to spread the truth.
 
Excessive is putting it lightly. Dropping 1,470 bombs on supposedly 'terrorist targets' knowing full well that a large number of innocent civilians are at or around these locations is pure sickening and evil. I can understand if this was a fair fight but this is just beyond preposterous.

Why would or should it be a fair fight? This isn't a game of dodgeball. It isn't someone meeting after school to shoot the fair.

Reading this thread I guess the issue is not enough Missles are getting through to Israel. It's not "fair". Not enough dead on both sides. Israel should let a bunch through to gain some sympathy?

It doesn't make sense. What do you think would happen if Mexivo bombed Texas non stop? A fair fight?

It's sad and there is blame on both sides but frankly no country in the world would be asked to show restraint in the same situation.

Btw the source on your article posted about the guy shot an left to be killed.... Is literally "Palestinians reported"
 
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Man the internet is even worst, you have cowards hiding behind their screen justifying deaths of innocent and mass relocation and assassinations and murders, all in the name of ISRAEL tho, I'm telling you these guys are jokes, you make me laugh.

European Zionism, one of the cancers that exist in the world.
 
if hamas wants beef... why do they cry when people die?
if israel wants beef... why do they cry when rockets are fired?

israeli's need to stop complaining about the issue if they are going to drop bombs
palistinians need to keep their bootleg hamas militants in check if they don't want another decade of getting owned
 
And for the record - I have 3 siblings who live there in the West Bank, and a father that's buried in the grounds of Palestine. This topic will always be a deep subject for me, I've grown up with this pain and I'm sick and tired of it.
 
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Excessive is putting it lightly. Dropping 1,470 bombs on supposedly 'terrorist targets' knowing full well that a large number of innocent civilians are at or around these locations is pure sickening and evil. I can understand if this was a fair fight but this is just beyond preposterous.

Why would or should it be a fair fight? This isn't a game of dodgeball. It isn't someone meeting after school to shoot the fair.

Reading this thread I guess the issue is not enough Missles are getting through to Israel. It's not "fair". Not enough dead on both sides. Israel should let a bunch through to gain some sympathy?

It doesn't make sense. What do you think would happen if Mexivo bombed Texas non stop? A fair fight?

It's sad and there is blame on both sides but frankly no country in the world would be asked to show restraint in the same situation.

Btw the source on your article posted about the guy shot an left to be killed.... Is literally "Palestinians reported"

How are we quick to forget the lessons of History!

I guess we should do away the rules of the Geneva convention that make all parties accountable for any violations of human rights in times of conflict. Maybe we shouldn't hold Mussolini and Hitler in such a low regard; after all, they weren't playing fair but they were winning. Right?


See, even when you stand in the camp of the "winner" (even though there aren't any winners in wars, just sides that lose less than others), you should be able to recognize when the line between self-defense and offensive tactics is being crossed. Israel is not justified in their bombings. They have a defensive system that doesn't not require them to attack in order to protect themselves, especially when they haven't suffered casualties from the rockets. To justify bombing densely populated areas just because you can is criminal.

There is a disconnect between what the Israeli government says they want and what they actually do. You cannot pretend to want peace and a 2-State solution when you are blockading your neighbor's borders, keeping them away from international trade/economic opportunities, and taking over more of their land through settlements.
 
take Israel out of the middle east and all this would be solved

but if their going to stay there and it looks that way the jews need to finally destroy Hamas and not worry what the world thinks

i dont think method man is going to make a niketalk avatar in the color of the Palestinian flag and give the money to charity
but i could be wrong
 
take Israel out of the middle east and all this would be solved

Just like Syria, Iran, Iraq... Sure middle east would be a peaceful utopia. :rolleyes

It would get even crazier if they didn't have Israel as a distraction and rallying cause. The leaders of those countries LOVE having Israel there.
 
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