PALESTINIAN GENOCIDE - ISRAELI-TERRORISM AWARENESS THREAD

[createdestroy]

Israel has the power to almost completely decimate the Palestinian population...yet they don't. That's the opposite of stooping to the same level.

You obviously do not know politics or military strategy and policy. You think they would decimate the population outright so they can be easily charged with war crimes and ethnic cleansing? Or do it as policies using pretexts and propaganda justifications so they can somehow get away with it? That's what western powers do when it comes to bombing others and killing civilians.

As I stated, worst violators of nature and human rights never go to jail, they hold the keys to it.

So you are admitting that the UN is not corrupt and would impose penalties for Israel if they are convicted of war crimes right?

Imagine the crimes Israel would get charged with if Hamas spent money and resources on protecting and helping its citizens instead of trying to attack Israel. Unprovoked and one sided attacks on civilians with no claims of human shields. Wow. This could all end so easily.

 

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[createdestroy]

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Open peaceful debate on both sides of an issue?

 

[oneilmatt]

Post up then.  It wasn't their first rockets since 2012....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2013

nah see it wasnt Hamas just regular, unaffilated Palestinians

 

[me love nutella]

So you are admitting that the UN is not corrupt and would impose penalties for Israel if they are convicted of war crimes right?

Imagine the crimes Israel would get charged with if Hamas spent money and resources on protecting and helping its citizens instead of trying to attack Israel. Unprovoked and one sided attacks on civilians with no claims of human shields. Wow. This could all end so easily.

You said they can easily decimate the entire population. I argued with you that they wouldn't do it just like any leader claiming it out loud and then doing it outright, with no pretext or excuses or justifications.

Instead, they do just that.Use lies, justifications, excuses, propaganda to ethnically cleanse people so like you and the other pro Israeli debaters to suck it up. Why would they need to kill off ALL Palestinians for you to justify it is an ethnic cleansing or that they do deliberately murder civilians?

What number has to be high enough for you of dead children and babies? They've been killing Palestinians for seven decades.

Oh wise one. .. with Gaza being blockaded. .. the hell can Hamas do more to protect their people? So Israel as the 11th strongest military in the world cannot have the resistance fighters whose land they are occupying have anything to defend themselves? You know that's why the people voted for them right? Because they gave social services and aid to the people.

 

[me love nutella]

Lmao tell me about military strategy Mr West Point

Unlike Hamas, Israel's doctrines dont include murdering entire religions of people. They wouldnt do that. Theyre already getting criticized out the *. If they were so evil Gaza would be ashes right now.

Gaza is ashes and they are killing civilians when they shouldn't be. Why do over thousand civilians have to be killed?

Israel has been ethnically cleansing Palestinians for too long.

As for Hamas, didn't they take out the mantra of destroying Israel out?

 

[createdestroy]

Lol @ making sure to bringing in millions of dollars worth of missiles...then blaming a blockade for being the reason you can't help your people. When the reason the blockade exists is to prevent the movement of the weaponry you are already importing.

Millions spent on building tunnels to attack Israel, but you can't provide the population with resources because of Israel?

Palestine won't take the L and just focus on improving their situation. They need to have the big boogeyman Israel in perpetual conflict for the political agenda of Hamas and other Muslim countries who want to keep their people's focus on Israel instead of the corruption, inequality and hypocrisy of their own leaders. It's all politics and Hamas sacrifices it's own people to maintain its relevance.

Where is Hamas getting the money to fight Israel? How are they maintaining a military force? How have they improved Palestine?

 

[rafabio]

Page 28 of accomplishing nothing

 

[useref15]

Lol @ making sure to bringing in millions of dollars worth of missiles...then blaming a blockade for being the reason you can't help your people. When the reason the blockade exists is to prevent the movement of the weaponry you are already importing.

Millions spent on building tunnels to attack Israel, but you can't provide the population with resources because of Israel?

Palestine won't take the L and just focus on improving their situation. They need to have the big boogeyman Israel in perpetual conflict for the political agenda of Hamas and other Muslim countries who want to keep their people's focus on Israel instead of the corruption, inequality and hypocrisy of their own leaders. It's all politics and Hamas sacrifices it's own people to maintain its relevance.

Where is Hamas getting the money to fight Israel? How are they maintaining a military force? How have they improved Palestine?

Pretty spot on, even though this has been repeated multiple times in here with no good answer.

 

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[paliplaya2010]

Lol @ making sure to bringing in millions of dollars worth of missiles...then blaming a blockade for being the reason you can't help your people. When the reason the blockade exists is to prevent the movement of the weaponry you are already importing.

Millions spent on building tunnels to attack Israel, but you can't provide the population with resources because of Israel?

Palestine won't take the L and just focus on improving their situation. They need to have the big boogeyman Israel in perpetual conflict for the political agenda of Hamas and other Muslim countries who want to keep their people's focus on Israel instead of the corruption, inequality and hypocrisy of their own leaders. It's all politics and Hamas sacrifices it's own people to maintain its relevance.

Where is Hamas getting the money to fight Israel? How are they maintaining a military force? How have they improved Palestine?

those tunnels are the only way they get anything in, it is their only means to import.. so yes they will spend millions on them to make sure theyre people can eat. so destroying those tunnels plus the siege gaza will be uninhabitable. i have been to gaza, they have no way to develop bc of the siege. i also spoke to some of rich palestinians that arent living in poverty like the majority and they too even have trouble finding supplies and food simply bc its not there.
yes hamas has little bottle rockets to attempt to protect its civilians. they are an elected government, do they not have that right? just bc u deem them a terrorist organization does not mean they do not have a commitment to serve and protect theyre people. so tunnels are justified, and weapons are justified. name a single time hamas or any other militant organization used the existing tunnels to attack israel before the war. you cant.
the human shield stuff is complete bs. do u see the size of gaza? where the hell do they go, gaza is the most densely populated place on earth. yes the government officials do live in neighborhoods and do have families, so i guess that means theyre using human shields. your going to quote the picture of the gazans getting on the roof so that israel doesnt destroy their house. thats the equivalent to standing in front of a bulldozer, its peaceful resistance. israels warns them that they will destroy the house, basically allowing their "target" to escape. the only reason to destroy houses is to make the palestinians lives a living hell, destroying the only thing they have. so what other ludicrous and unvalid points do u want to bring up.

 

[oneilmatt]

Yeah youre right thyere moving water, food, and clothing through those tunnels

Terrorists have always used civilians as human shields. They hide amongst them and use their deaths to further their agendas. Dont act as if its so ludicrous.

 

[Animal Thug]

Unbelievable the lack of empathy from those supporting israel.

You have one guy who claims he's neither Jewish or Israeli, yet is defending them to what seems to be the point of nothing.

If you have 0 interest in that region - and you're just a random outsider (yes, this would apply to Rythym808 who claims not be Israeli or Jewish) how can you blindly support a country, which it's motives are to blow up the homes of civilians and murder endless children's lives and yet feel no empathy towards the civilians who's suffered from this ordeal? What's your agenda here. What is making you defend a terrorist state like Israel if you have no attachment to that state. Please I'm willing to help you see things through if you need me to. PM me for sources that can help change your mind.

Unless of course, you're secretly Israeli or Jewish; and your goal is to act as a neutral bystander to help give reasoning to those who blindly support these war-criminal acts.

Has anyone acknowledged the fact that the average age of people living in Gaza is 17 years old? That would ultimately amount to a quarter-million of those living in gaza to be under the age of 10? How do you expect them to grow from this? Honestly? I want someone with an actual heart to answer that question.

How do you expect the children of gaza - to grow and ultimately react or respond to anyone who's Pro-Israeli? If you firmly believe that the attacks done on Gaza since July 8th is going to solve ANY possible conflict in the future ahead us, than you're wrong.

Israel is giving birth, and raising these so called terrorist. Yes. They are. They're coming into residential areas, so called attacking Hamas (although 90% of their attacks have killed civilians) and leaving these kids to face destruction of their homes, images of decapitated bodies around, blood, guts and blown up bodies just laying in the streets of where these kids go to play. You really expect these kids to grow up peaceful? Haha. Of rouse not. But this is the Israeli governments goals. To continue leaving these devastating images for the kids and mothers to grow up to, so they can grow up to defend themselves against the Israeli oppression - which will eventually end the same way this started. Claim the fighters to be terrorist when theyre old enough to fight back, run through the residential areas again, kill more civilans, decreasing the Palestinian population, taking back more of their land as those attempt to flee the area.

And all I keep hearing is an artificial excuse of Hamas this. Hamas that. Tunnels this, tunnels that. Warning bombs this, warning bombs that.

Not one bit of empathy coming from those who are supporting Israel, who can at will - blow anything up in their way and get away with it with no possible repercussion. It's sickening. In my 13 years here at Niketalk - I never seen so many heartless people in one thread giving excuses for a government that can just kill at will. Over 1000 people have died. 90% of those being civilians. Almost 200 of those are children under 10. And yet, your only fault in this to attract attention to tunnels built by Hamas? Since when has Hamas used Tunnels in the past, to kill any Israeli civilans? When has that ever become breaking news on your favorite American-based news media?

Some of you guys here are blindly supporting terrorism. And it's been well established, there is no possible reasoning with you guys. Your blind faith and support of these people killing kids and wounding thousands, thousands of children's lives with no remorse. Just remember, this "terrorism" your country claims to be fighting is all a product of your countries policies towards the Palestinian people.

Like I said before, it's the law of reciprocity. Israel is defining that law better than anyone in this world can.

 

[rhythm808]

Unbelievable the lack of empathy from those supporting israel.

You have one guy who claims he's neither Jewish or Israeli, yet is defending them to what seems to be the point of nothing.

If you have 0 interest in that region - and you're just a random outsider (yes, this would apply to Rythym808 who claims not be Israeli or Jewish) how can you blindly support a country, which it's motives are to blow up the homes of civilians and murder endless children's lives and yet feel no empathy towards the civilians who's suffered from this ordeal? What's your agenda here. What is making you defend a terrorist state like Israel if you have no attachment to that state. Please I'm willing to help you see things through if you need me to. PM me for sources that can help change your mind.

Unless of course, you're secretly Israeli or Jewish; and your goal is to act as a neutral bystander to help give reasoning to those who blindly support these war-criminal acts.

Has anyone acknowledged the fact that the average age of people living in Gaza is 17 years old? That would ultimately amount to a quarter-million of those living in gaza to be under the age of 10? How do you expect them to grow from this? Honestly? I want someone with an actual heart to answer that question.

How do you expect the children of gaza - to grow and ultimately react or respond to anyone who's Pro-Israeli? If you firmly believe that the attacks done on Gaza since July 8th is going to solve ANY possible conflict in the future ahead us, than you're wrong.

Israel is giving birth, and raising these so called terrorist. Yes. They are. They're coming into residential areas, so called attacking Hamas (although 90% of their attacks have killed civilians) and leaving these kids to face destruction of their homes, images of decapitated bodies around, blood, guts and blown up bodies just laying in the streets of where these kids go to play. You really expect these kids to grow up peaceful? Haha. Of rouse not. But this is the Israeli governments goals. To continue leaving these devastating images for the kids and mothers to grow up to, so they can grow up to defend themselves against the Israeli oppression - which will eventually end the same way this started. Claim the fighters to be terrorist when theyre old enough to fight back, run through the residential areas again, kill more civilans, decreasing the Palestinian population, taking back more of their land as those attempt to flee the area.

And all I keep hearing is an artificial excuse of Hamas this. Hamas that. Tunnels this, tunnels that. Warning bombs this, warning bombs that.

Not one bit of empathy coming from those who are supporting Israel, who can at will - blow anything up in their way and get away with it with no possible repercussion. It's sickening. In my 13 years here at Niketalk - I never seen so many heartless people in one thread giving excuses for a government that can just kill at will. Over 1000 people have died. 90% of those being civilians. Almost 200 of those are children under 10. And yet, your only fault in this to attract attention to tunnels built by Hamas? Since when has Hamas used Tunnels in the past, to kill any Israeli civilans? When has that ever become breaking news on your favorite American-based news media?

Some of you guys here are blindly supporting terrorism. And it's been well established, there is no possible reasoning with you guys. Your blind faith and support of these people killing kids and wounding thousands, thousands of children's lives with no remorse. Just remember, this "terrorism" your country claims to be fighting is all a product of your countries policies towards the Palestinian people.

Like I said before, it's the law of reciprocity. Israel is defining that law better than anyone in this world can.

Just because I am neither Jewish or Muslim doesn't mean that I should ignore what is going on in the region.  It is part of the world that I live in and so I do research in order to understand what is going on.

I feel like since I am an outsider if anything I am one of the few people in here with an unbiased opinion.

Israel is protecting itself against a terrorist organization that spews propaganda about taking over the entire country, killing all Jews (who are a large portion of their population), shooting thousands of rockets into their region, digging tunnels that cost tens of millions of dollars in order to smuggle weapons and and terrorist into Israel, shooting from homes and schools, endangering their citizens.

That is what is going on.

 

[createdestroy]

The problem with animal thug is that he can only see one side as guilty. In my mind both countries are taking advantage of the conflict for political , territorial and religious reasons. They are both adding the ingredients to the recipe.

Problem for the Palestinians is that they are taking the L but they want to keep it up. You cannot always be the victor, and Hamas will allow the very people they are in charge of protecting to be killed by stubborn policy. Hamas will spend money on military equipment, smuggle it into the country. Position the weapons in civilian areas and know full well that shooting it into Israel will equal their own people suffering. They know iron dome exists, they know there is a bigger chance of Palestinians suffering when they fire it. Yet they still do.

I mean, the guy who buys these rockets (the actual agent who meets with the black market seller with a breifcade full of millions of dollars) KNOWS this purchase will bring suffering to his country. But the people who gave him the millions only did so because they want to see attacks on Israel. No attack. No millions. Conflict of interest?

 

[tn123]

Unbelievable the lack of empathy from those supporting israel.

You have one guy who claims he's neither Jewish or Israeli, yet is defending them to what seems to be the point of nothing.

If you have 0 interest in that region - and you're just a random outsider (yes, this would apply to Rythym808 who claims not be Israeli or Jewish) how can you blindly support a country, which it's motives are to blow up the homes of civilians and murder endless children's lives and yet feel no empathy towards the civilians who's suffered from this ordeal? What's your agenda here. What is making you defend a terrorist state like Israel if you have no attachment to that state. Please I'm willing to help you see things through if you need me to. PM me for sources that can help change your mind.

Unless of course, you're secretly Israeli or Jewish; and your goal is to act as a neutral bystander to help give reasoning to those who blindly support these war-criminal acts.

Has anyone acknowledged the fact that the average age of people living in Gaza is 17 years old? That would ultimately amount to a quarter-million of those living in gaza to be under the age of 10? How do you expect them to grow from this? Honestly? I want someone with an actual heart to answer that question.

How do you expect the children of gaza - to grow and ultimately react or respond to anyone who's Pro-Israeli? If you firmly believe that the attacks done on Gaza since July 8th is going to solve ANY possible conflict in the future ahead us, than you're wrong.

Israel is giving birth, and raising these so called terrorist. Yes. They are. They're coming into residential areas, so called attacking Hamas (although 90% of their attacks have killed civilians) and leaving these kids to face destruction of their homes, images of decapitated bodies around, blood, guts and blown up bodies just laying in the streets of where these kids go to play. You really expect these kids to grow up peaceful? Haha. Of rouse not. But this is the Israeli governments goals. To continue leaving these devastating images for the kids and mothers to grow up to, so they can grow up to defend themselves against the Israeli oppression - which will eventually end the same way this started. Claim the fighters to be terrorist when theyre old enough to fight back, run through the residential areas again, kill more civilans, decreasing the Palestinian population, taking back more of their land as those attempt to flee the area.

And all I keep hearing is an artificial excuse of Hamas this. Hamas that. Tunnels this, tunnels that. Warning bombs this, warning bombs that.

Not one bit of empathy coming from those who are supporting Israel, who can at will - blow anything up in their way and get away with it with no possible repercussion. It's sickening. In my 13 years here at Niketalk - I never seen so many heartless people in one thread giving excuses for a government that can just kill at will. Over 1000 people have died. 90% of those being civilians. Almost 200 of those are children under 10. And yet, your only fault in this to attract attention to tunnels built by Hamas? Since when has Hamas used Tunnels in the past, to kill any Israeli civilans? When has that ever become breaking news on your favorite American-based news media?

Some of you guys here are blindly supporting terrorism. And it's been well established, there is no possible reasoning with you guys. Your blind faith and support of these people killing kids and wounding thousands, thousands of children's lives with no remorse. Just remember, this "terrorism" your country claims to be fighting is all a product of your countries policies towards the Palestinian people.

Like I said before, it's the law of reciprocity. Israel is defining that law better than anyone in this world can.

YOU ARE THE MOST IGNORANT PERSON IN THIS THREAD. YOU, ANIMAL THUG ARE THE MOST IGNORANT PERSON IN THIS THREAD.

You have several posts in this thread, in which about 95% of them which you mention all of Israelis are terrorists.

You're laughable, you're a joke.

And you sound like the biggest baby in here, talking all this Israel is terrorists, all their supporters are terrorists and when someone opposing your views you cry and say "oh lets see what mods think of this, oh I'll ban you bla bla"

This seems all too familiar with something going on in the Middle East

 

[oneilmatt]

AnimalThug is unbelievable. Anyone who supports Israel is a Jew? Nah. I just really hate radical Islam and what it does to entire nations. People are dying because Hamas doesn't give a rat's * about their people. All they want is to make Israel look bad. That's it. Hamas are TERRORISTS!! Why can't you acknowledge something so obvious? Talk about blindly supporting 

 

[me love nutella]

YOU ARE THE MOST IGNORANT PERSON IN THIS THREAD. YOU, ANIMAL THUG ARE THE MOST IGNORANT PERSON IN THIS THREAD.

You have several posts in this thread, in which about 95% of them which you mention all of Israelis are terrorists.

You're laughable, you're a joke.

And you sound like the biggest baby in here, talking all this Israel is terrorists, all their supporters are terrorists and when someone opposing your views you cry and say "oh lets see what mods think of this, oh I'll ban you bla bla"

This seems all too familiar with something going on in the Middle East

Dont twist wordings. He said the state of Israel are, not all everyday Israelis are terrorists. He also said if you support what Israel is doing, you are justifying their terrorist actions and killings of civilians, which most of you pro Israeli debaters are.

Calm down. Take a breather.

 

[me love nutella]

AnimalThug is unbelievable. Anyone who supports Israel is a Jew? Nah. I just really hate radical Islam and what it does to entire nations. People are dying because Hamas doesn't give a rat's * about their people. All they want is to make Israel look bad. That's it. Hamas are TERRORISTS!! Why can't you acknowledge something so obvious? Talk about blindly supporting 

Israel was doing all exactly this before Hamas were elected. Before you point to radical Islam, just remember it was the U.S. and other western allies which funded them as a means to fight nationalistic, secular Arab dictators.

Israel funded Hamas in the late 80s to counter the PLO.

Islamic radicalism formed with the help of the western allies and then spearheaded to turn on the West due to its foreign policies.

The root of all the Palestinian - Israeli conflict is the occupation. Period.

 

[createdestroy]

AnimalThug is unbelievable. Anyone who supports Israel is a Jew? Nah. I just really hate radical Islam and what it does to entire nations. People are dying because Hamas doesn't give a rat's * about their people. All they want is to make Israel look bad. That's it. Hamas are TERRORISTS!! Why can't you acknowledge something so obvious? Talk about blindly supporting 

Israel was doing all exactly this before Hamas were elected. Before you point to radical Islam, just remember it was the U.S. and other western allies which funded them as a means to fight nationalistic, secular Arab dictators.

Israel funded Hamas in the late 80s to counter the PLO.

Islamic radicalism formed with the help of the western allies and then spearheaded to turn on the West due to its foreign policies.

The root of all the Palestinian - Israeli conflict is the occupation. Period.

The reason these groups became radicalized is not due to westernized influence, they became radicalized because they were corrupted by the power they possessed after gaining prominence in their region.

 

[me love nutella]

The problem with animal thug is that he can only see one side as guilty. In my mind both countries are taking advantage of the conflict for political , territorial and religious reasons. They are both adding the ingredients to the recipe.

Problem for the Palestinians is that they are taking the L but they want to keep it up. You cannot always be the victor, and Hamas will allow the very people they are in charge of protecting to be killed by stubborn policy. Hamas will spend money on military equipment, smuggle it into the country. Position the weapons in civilian areas and know full well that shooting it into Israel will equal their own people suffering. They know iron dome exists, they know there is a bigger chance of Palestinians suffering when they fire it. Yet they still do.

I mean, the guy who buys these rockets (the actual agent who meets with the black market seller with a breifcade full of millions of dollars) KNOWS this purchase will bring suffering to his country. But the people who gave him the millions only did so because they want to see attacks on Israel. No attack. No millions. Conflict of interest?

The problem with animal thug is that he can only see one side as guilty. In my mind both countries are taking advantage of the conflict for political , territorial and religious reasons. They are both adding the ingredients to the recipe.

Problem for the Palestinians is that they are taking the L but they want to keep it up. You cannot always be the victor, and Hamas will allow the very people they are in charge of protecting to be killed by stubborn policy. Hamas will spend money on military equipment, smuggle it into the country. Position the weapons in civilian areas and know full well that shooting it into Israel will equal their own people suffering. They know iron dome exists, they know there is a bigger chance of Palestinians suffering when they fire it. Yet they still do.

I mean, the guy who buys these rockets (the actual agent who meets with the black market seller with a breifcade full of millions of dollars) KNOWS this purchase will bring suffering to his country. But the people who gave him the millions only did so because they want to see attacks on Israel. No attack. No millions. Conflict of interest?

Your points do not make logical sense.

You mean the sucky rockets which are HOMEMADE in Gaza?

It is known Gaza is suffering because of the siege and blockade. That's what sieges, blockades, and sanctions do - they deprive the basic population of goods and their basic needs.

Hamas do not have much to fight with and a lot is homemade. The tunnels were never used to attack Israel and were used to import goods.

Hamas believe they have a right to weaponry to protect themselves. You justify Israel having the right to be armed to the teeth yet you expect Hamas not to make weapons???

How about Israel stops the occupation, lifts the siege, and give Palestinians their rights and dignity? Then maybe there would be no Hamas as radicals anymore fighting against Israel?

 

[paliplaya2010]

Yeah youre right thyere moving water, food, and clothing through those tunnels

Terrorists have always used civilians as human shields. They hide amongst them and use their deaths to further their agendas. Dont act as if its so ludicrous.

that is 100% correct, i have personally seen these tunnels and have bought food items that came from the tunnels. for example, they have this candy, you can buy it crushed for a 3rd of the price bc it came from the tunnels or pay triple the price for the ones they let through the border. so yes they do move a lot of food items through the tunnel. so get off your high horse thinking your so knowledgeable when your views are clearly one sided. is it wrong for hamas to send rockets yes, but, those rockets do absolutely nothing and it lets the israeli citizens get just a small taste of what palestinians deal with daily.

let me clarify, i do not condone aiming at civilians at all, but hamas does not have the technology to aim at anything. they just shoot knowing its gonna be destroyed, its resistance. they know this. every time those sirens go off in israel they have got their point across. i hope that not a single rocket hits, but i do wish that the sirens continuously go off to make the citizens feel the discomfort of war and make their gov stop the bs

theyre not hiding amongst them, they clearly display themselves as soldiers. what else do u want them to do or go to protect theyre civilians, theirs no room for them to go anywhere.

 

[me love nutella]

The reason these groups became radicalized is not due to westernized influence, they became radicalized because they were corrupted by the power they possessed after gaining prominence in their region.

They were funded by American and western allies. That's how they gained power. Then once they get some power they turn their backs and aim to topple these western powers because of their foreign policies and meddling/interfering in middle eastern affairs.

Israel's contribution to Hamas to level their power to counter the PLO leadership is no secret.

 

[7thave btn 31stn33rd st]

Although my gripe in this everlasting issue is with the Zionists, I've learned to take any report from either side with a grain of salt. Both sides are reporting extremes to get sympathy from the outside. Both sides benefit from embellishing and to make things sound worse than they are. Somewhere in the middle is the truth.