Working mom arrested for letting her 9 year old play alone at park

99/100 I would bet the girl would be fine, BUT when that's YOUR baby girl out there should that be good enough?


On too if that, predators look for patterns. If they see the same girl out there everyday that's a huge target. Maybe I'm overthinking it but these are things to think about.

nah your spot on with this one
 
Overall crime is down across the nation in comparison to 15 years ago, but for whatever reason there appears to be or feels like there are more crazy people, or pedophiles out there to be specific.  Not sure how many pedophiles there were back in the day but it just seems that way based upon news reports and things on-line that I personally hear about.  As a responsible parent, you simply can't take a chance like that with a 9 year old girl out in a park for 8 hours straight at a time, especially for more than one day.
I feel you...

Its just crazy the way society shifts...


There's MORE population and LESS CRIME...

So the crime stats are actually magnified just based on raw #s
 
 
Overall crime is down across the nation in comparison to 15 years ago, but for whatever reason there appears to be or feels like there are more crazy people, or pedophiles out there to be specific.  Not sure how many pedophiles there were back in the day but it just seems that way based upon news reports and things on-line that I personally hear about.  As a responsible parent, you simply can't take a chance like that with a 9 year old girl out in a park for 8 hours straight at a time, especially for more than one day.
I feel you...

Its just crazy the way society shifts...


There's MORE population and LESS CRIME...

So the crime stats are actually magnified just based on raw #s
Reaganomics is no longer in effect champ. 
 
 
How is today a different animal from 15 years ago when crime is DOWN across the board?
Overall crime is down across the nation in comparison to 15 years ago, but for whatever reason there appears to be or feels like there are more crazy people, or pedophiles out there to be specific.  Not sure how many pedophiles there were back in the day but it just seems that way based upon news reports and things on-line that I personally hear about.  As a responsible parent, you simply can't take a chance like that with a 9 year old girl out in a park for 8 hours straight at a time, especially for more than one day.
Aaaaand this is where the problem lies.

No one looks at the actual figures.  They just think it "feels" like there's more crime because 1.) the increasing prevalence of social media/everyone having a camera on them at all times and 2.) people like to think back to the time when they were a kid when they were unaware and unconcerned with things like rapists and murderers.  This flawed mindset is what's driving the whole "the world's going to hell in a handbasket" notion and it's complete and total garbage.
 
I remember walking home from school at 7. Getting the key from under the flower pot and staying home for about 2 hours alone.

Only thing that happened while I was home alone was the Northridge earthquake.

I have a 9 year old daughter. I'll run out and grab breakfast and come back.

I don't let her walk home by herself or leave her. But I also have options for after school care.

My mom didn't and I now I understand why she did what she did.

Different times.

Very torn. Don't feel she should have been arrested.
 
Overall crime is down across the nation in comparison to 15 years ago, but for whatever reason there appears to be or feels like there are more crazy people, or pedophiles out there to be specific.  Not sure how many pedophiles there were back in the day but it just seems that way based upon news reports and things on-line that I personally hear about.  As a responsible parent, you simply can't take a chance like that with a 9 year old girl out in a park for 8 hours straight at a time, especially for more than one day.

Just wondering, how old are you?

I feel like a lot of people that say this are usually late 20s, early 30s - which means they were basically children 15 years ago (10-16 years old). Makes me wonder if you were just younger, more naive, nostalgic, etc. and not that it actually seemed safer back in the day.
 
I don't think the mom should've done what she did but there needs to be some leeway. She had a tough choice and made the wrong one. You can't arrest people, make them lose their jobs and take their kids away over THAT. When there's real criminals out there, real child abusers. People with malicious intent. :smh: They should've spoken to her and let her know not to do it again. Is that really so difficult?
 
About to say myself


The world was just as bad today as it was before, BUT we are smarter today than we were before.
 
I don't think the mom should've done what she did but there needs to be some leeway. She had a tough choice and made the wrong one. You can't arrest people, make them lose their jobs and take their kids away over THAT. When there's real criminals out there, real child abusers. People with malicious intent. :smh: They should've spoken to her and let her know not to do it again. Is that really so difficult?

I agree.

Punishment doesn't fit the crime at all.
 
 
 
How is today a different animal from 15 years ago when crime is DOWN across the board?
Overall crime is down across the nation in comparison to 15 years ago, but for whatever reason there appears to be or feels like there are more crazy people, or pedophiles out there to be specific.  Not sure how many pedophiles there were back in the day but it just seems that way based upon news reports and things on-line that I personally hear about.  As a responsible parent, you simply can't take a chance like that with a 9 year old girl out in a park for 8 hours straight at a time, especially for more than one day.
Aaaaand this is where the problem lies.

No one looks at the actual figures.  They just think it "feels" like there's more crime because 1.) the increasing prevalence of social media/everyone having a camera on them at all times and 2.) people like to think back to the time when they were a kid when they were unaware and unconcerned with things like rapists and murderers.  This flawed mindset is what's driving the whole "the world's going to hell in a handbasket" notion and it's complete and total garbage.
Which is why I said it "appears to be or feels like".  Not sure what the comment about "the world going to hell in a handbasket" is about but like @DoubleJs07 said earlier, with things such as a sex offender database available we now have resources and tools available to us in this day and age that our parents didn't have when we were kids. 

Just like to me, things are getting discovered or exposed more now then they were back some 15 years ago.  Just like how the Catholic church got exposed for priests molesting children.  It was going on for years and decades prior but it just got brought to the surface on a whole recently. 
 
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How is today a different animal from 15 years ago when crime is DOWN across the board?

Overall crime is down across the nation in comparison to 15 years ago, but for whatever reason there appears to be or feels like there are more crazy people, or pedophiles out there to be specific.  Not sure how many pedophiles there were back in the day but it just seems that way based upon news reports and things on-line that I personally hear about.  As a responsible parent, you simply can't take a chance like that with a 9 year old girl out in a park for 8 hours straight at a time, especially for more than one day.
Aaaaand this is where the problem lies.

No one looks at the actual figures.  They just think it "feels" like there's more crime because 1.) the increasing prevalence of social media/everyone having a camera on them at all times and 2.) people like to think back to the time when they were a kid when they were unaware and unconcerned with things like rapists and murderers.  This flawed mindset is what's driving the whole "the world's going to hell in a handbasket" notion and it's complete and total garbage.

Despite what the figures may/may not say...I just don't trust strangers enough to leave my child unattended while I'm doing something else. It makes things TOO easy for something to go wrong.

*Having things like the sex offender database readily available is so key. 30 years ago, you're relying on newspapers and word of mouth concerning things of this nature. If there is a neighbor you have that you want to learn a little more about, google is right there as well. There are tools out there, which obviously weren't around back in the day, to better educate you and your family about the goings and comings in your neighborhood. In 2014, you HAVE to be vigilant. There is no other way around it.
 
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How is today a different animal from 15 years ago when crime is DOWN across the board?
Overall crime is down across the nation in comparison to 15 years ago, but for whatever reason there appears to be or feels like there are more crazy people, or pedophiles out there to be specific.  Not sure how many pedophiles there were back in the day but it just seems that way based upon news reports and things on-line that I personally hear about.  As a responsible parent, you simply can't take a chance like that with a 9 year old girl out in a park for 8 hours straight at a time, especially for more than one day.
Aaaaand this is where the problem lies.

No one looks at the actual figures.  They just think it "feels" like there's more crime because 1.) the increasing prevalence of social media/everyone having a camera on them at all times and 2.) people like to think back to the time when they were a kid when they were unaware and unconcerned with things like rapists and murderers.  This flawed mindset is what's driving the whole "the world's going to hell in a handbasket" notion and it's complete and total garbage.
Despite what the figures may/may not say...I just don't trust strangers enough to leave my child unattended while I'm doing something else. It makes things TOO easy for something to go wrong.

*Having things like the sex offender database readily available is so key. 30 years ago, you're relying on newspapers and word of mouth concerning things of this nature. If there is a neighbor you have that you want to learn a little more about, google is right there as well. There are tools out there, which obviously weren't around back in the day, to better educate you and your family about the goings and comings in your neighborhood. In 2014, you HAVE to be vigilant. There is no other way around it.
I agree in principle.  You wouldn't catch me leaving my child unattended in public for extended periods of time.

What I don't agree with is letting feels and emotions dictate how you perceive the world, rather than logic and reason.
 
When it comes to your kid feels and emotion WILL be used more than reasoning. Logic is the norm in both cases IMO.

Some things you just don't do no matter what the statistics say. I bet more people drive drunk and don't kill anyone or themselves doing so than do........ That doesn't mean you're good
 
 
 
 
How is today a different animal from 15 years ago when crime is DOWN across the board?


Overall crime is down across the nation in comparison to 15 years ago, but for whatever reason there appears to be or feels like there are more crazy people, or pedophiles out there to be specific.  Not sure how many pedophiles there were back in the day but it just seems that way based upon news reports and things on-line that I personally hear about.  As a responsible parent, you simply can't take a chance like that with a 9 year old girl out in a park for 8 hours straight at a time, especially for more than one day.
Aaaaand this is where the problem lies.


No one looks at the actual figures.  They just think it "feels" like there's more crime because 1.) the increasing prevalence of social media/everyone having a camera on them at all times and 2.) people like to think back to the time when they were a kid when they were unaware and unconcerned with things like rapists and murderers.  This flawed mindset is what's driving the whole "the world's going to hell in a handbasket" notion and it's complete and total garbage.


Despite what the figures may/may not say...I just don't trust strangers enough to leave my child unattended while I'm doing something else. It makes things TOO easy for something to go wrong.


*Having things like the sex offender database readily available is so key. 30 years ago, you're relying on newspapers and word of mouth concerning things of this nature. If there is a neighbor you have that you want to learn a little more about, google is right there as well. There are tools out there, which obviously weren't around back in the day, to better educate you and your family about the goings and comings in your neighborhood. In 2014, you HAVE to be vigilant. There is no other way around it.
I agree in principle.  You wouldn't catch me leaving my child unattended in public for extended periods of time.

What I don't agree with is letting feels and emotions dictate how you perceive the world, rather than logic and reason.

See below, because I 100% agree w/ what BC posted.

When it comes to your kid feels and emotion WILL be used more than reasoning. Logic is the norm in both cases IMO.

Some things you just don't do no matter what the statistics say. I bet more people drive drunk and don't kill anyone or themselves doing so than do........ That doesn't mean you're good
 
When it comes to your kid feels and emotion WILL be used more than reasoning. Logic is the norm in both cases IMO.

Some things you just don't do no matter what the statistics say. I bet more people drive drunk and don't kill anyone or themselves doing so than do........ That doesn't mean you're good
Who's to say that's going off emotion, though?

You can use logic and reason to determine that you have a 0% chance of anything bad happening to you related to alcohol if you drive sober (coming from your end, at least.  Can't account for everyone else on the road).  The same can't be said for if you drive drunk.  Doesn't have to be a situation where you're more likely than not to have something bad happen to you.

I understand that emotion and feelings are unavoidable, but they tend to create unwarranted hysteria over a lot of things.  Penn and Teller did a really good episode of BS about this.  I'd post it but now it's $1.99 on YouTube. 
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Didn't we just experience the ordeal with Ariel Castro kidnapping girls...a 21, 17 and 14 year old. There are tons of mentally ill men just like him that are all around us waiting for an opportunity. Sucks she was arrested though.
 
Didn't we just experience the ordeal with Ariel Castro kidnapping girls...a 21, 17 and 14 year old. There are tons of mentally ill men just like him that are all around us waiting for an opportunity. Sucks she was arrested though.

There were around 40 years ago too, when kids were outside. I don't see the difference.
 
 
Didn't we just experience the ordeal with Ariel Castro kidnapping girls...a 21, 17 and 14 year old. There are tons of mentally ill men just like him that are all around us waiting for an opportunity. Sucks she was arrested though.
There were around 40 years ago too, when kids were outside. I don't see the difference.
Adding to this: a child is way, way, way more likely to be kidnapped/raped/murdered by a known, trusted adult than they are to be kidnapped/raped/murdered by a stranger.

Not saying that you shouldn't protect your children from the unknown, and I'm CERTAINLY not signing off on this woman's actions.  Just noting that there's unwarranted hysteria over "stranger danger."
 
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There were around 40 years ago too, when kids were outside. I don't see the difference.

I don't know man... not saying the danger wasn't real back in the day or maybe less known but it seems to be an epidemic of how many creeps are out here.

If you're in Cali, put your address down on this Megan Law's database and you can see for yourself the amount of child predators whom are living among us.

http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/
 
There could have been just as equal an amount living next to us before. Still plenty who aren't registered. Danger is always going to be there. At least they can tell their child don't speak or going near this man in the picture when they're outside as opposed to being oblivious before hand.
 
People need to mind their own business. mom probably openly had to work 4 hours. park was probably close to her job.

A 9 year old going on 10 depending on how mature and street smart they are is ok to leave alone at a park

When I was that age I was watching my brother and sister when I got home from school. had my own key to the house come him after school and watch my siblings until 7pm or so.

I was riding my bike to the other side of town by myself when I was that age

People need to mind their own business these days
 
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