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QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson
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Just to play devils advocate here, what about the possibility of Quarterbacks in general from top to bottom just being better now than before? We know the QB position is the most important position and put under a microscope more than any other sport. The league started with QB's working second jobs. Now we've gotten to point where there's more popularity than ever before, more money than every before, and more access to learn/study the position than ever before. And that's all going to continue to grow when babies are coming out of the womb holding a football studying Rodgers footwork and mechanics on his iPad by the time he's in the 4th grade. And eventually there will be even more 4k QB's than there are now. Not because everything is inflated, but because there are just more talented players than ever before. You guys think any of this plays a role? I think it might, but not sure to what extent. In other words Geno Smith just might be 2 decades late.
Now what I actually think. Numbers are inflated, again I don't know to what extent, but I think its exaggerated. We just saw a Super Bowl winning team with what has to be with a QB who had historically low numbers against a QB who had historically high numbers. We're seeing history being made by a playoff team who hasn't thrown a touchdown to a WR all season. And right now at this very moment we are seeing teams positioning for the playoffs like the Lions and Cardinals due to their defensive play. I think numbers are inflated at the moment because defenses just need a little time to adapt and evolve. They are and they will. The game has changed but I don't think it means QB's are less talented than QBs in the past because of it. Their numbers are just different. It's just the way it is should be kept in mind, but without completely discrediting them.
Now what I actually think. Numbers are inflated, again I don't know to what extent, but I think its exaggerated. We just saw a Super Bowl winning team with what has to be with a QB who had historically low numbers against a QB who had historically high numbers. We're seeing history being made by a playoff team who hasn't thrown a touchdown to a WR all season. And right now at this very moment we are seeing teams positioning for the playoffs like the Lions and Cardinals due to their defensive play. I think numbers are inflated at the moment because defenses just need a little time to adapt and evolve. They are and they will. The game has changed but I don't think it means QB's are less talented than QBs in the past because of it. Their numbers are just different. It's just the way it is should be kept in mind, but without completely discrediting them.
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I don't discredit the ability of today's QBs, just some of the absurd numbers. Much like Bonds had absurd numbers through the steroid era of baseball...but many still consider him the GOAT even with the inflated numbers. The passing game in the NFL is ok their steroid era. Defenses can only evolve so far, if the game is called as tight as it is this year they don't have a chance to properly cover a WR.
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But a larger pool of more talented QB's would naturally raise the average of passing numbers across the board. Again I agree numbers are higher, some absurd or inflated, than they would be in the past, but to a certain point. Along with a larger pool of more talented QB's there's also Jimmy Graham's and guys nicknamed Megatron playing 500 out there too. That's also different and they also play a role. The game has evolved. I don't think its as bad as it's made out to be. The game is essentially a competition to be the biggest freak of nature. This is what happens when everyones faster, bigger, and stronger.
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But wouldn't defensive players get bigger, faster and stronger to cancel that theory out?
And look at a guy like Peyton and his stat increase over the past few years. Can that be explained in any other way besides the fact it has been made easier to pass via rules?
And look at a guy like Peyton and his stat increase over the past few years. Can that be explained in any other way besides the fact it has been made easier to pass via rules?
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^^The game has evolved and gotten better...
all these QB backs are better then all the game managers from back in the day ....
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all these QB backs are better then all the game managers from back in the day ....
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First off I'm not completely disagreeing with you. I'm just not trying to completely discredit today's QBs, that's all. But to answer your question yeah I think there are defensive players bigger, faster, ect. But I don't think it plays as big of a role with DB's. You've got someone like JJ Watt doing what he's doing. Peppers who is 6'7" playing On the line and Linebacker, and now Clowney who had a body that was physically ready for the NFL coming out of high school. And they'd wreak havoc on QB's who are "today's average". I just think your monsters offensively naturally play the WR position over D-Back.
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Very possible
Again, I don't discredit the QBs, just some of the numbers. But the elite are still the elite
Again, I don't discredit the QBs, just some of the numbers. But the elite are still the elite
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Lulz at passer ratings below 100.
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Hey now...... Rodgers has had a season passer rating under 100.............
In 2008 :x
Best in the game
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Bro you just need to learn how to have actual discussions with other human beings. If you're really 30+ I feel sorry for the people who have to talk to you about ish on a daily basis.
Nothing wrong with varied opinions.
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There is a reason he's on here so much.
We are the only people on Earth that can tolerate him.
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Man, it's nothing like watching Aaron Rodgers play the QB position though. Dude has the best pocket awareness I've ever seen and throws by far the best passes. When it comes to the mental aspect, it's gotta be Peyton. Dude already has you beat before he even snaps the ball. When it comes to intangibles and being able to do it any which way, it's gotta be the gawd Tom Brady. Son has done it with little WR's, TE's, running game, and historic passing seasons with Randy Moss. Ain't nothing stopping from that dude winning.
Overall, we are god damn blessed to have all three of these dudes in the same era. All in my top 5 with Marino and Montana as the other two. But I didn't get to watch those dudes play so I'm biased towards the 3 we have now.
When it comes to the eye test though, Rodgers got it. IMO, thats the only way to differentiate some of these guys because they are all so good in their own ways so everyone is going to disagree anyway. At the end of the day you gotta choose based on your eyes.
Overall, we are god damn blessed to have all three of these dudes in the same era. All in my top 5 with Marino and Montana as the other two. But I didn't get to watch those dudes play so I'm biased towards the 3 we have now.
When it comes to the eye test though, Rodgers got it. IMO, thats the only way to differentiate some of these guys because they are all so good in their own ways so everyone is going to disagree anyway. At the end of the day you gotta choose based on your eyes.
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Cutler is Jeff George 2.0, dude will never really be a winner
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Cutler the comeback kid!!
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I don't remember when it happened but man I hate Jay Cutler.
His face makes me irrationally angry for some reason.
His face makes me irrationally angry for some reason.
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I have no issue with varied opinions. DSA thinks one way, Chester another, Fraij something else, myself another way. That's how it works.
SP, gives a statement, we disprove it, he backtracks to another statement, unrelated to what his first point was, we counter that, he goes to some other random thing, completely off his original point, again, is what I called out.
The end result being his claim that if it's so easy to pass today, everyone would do it, and we show passing numbers basically double and tripling from 20 years ago, you'd think that would be that. Yet he stays rambling.
It makes perfect sense that you'd be the one rushing to his aid. My suggestion for something I say bothering you is put me on ignore and not worry how I talk cuz I don't remember asking you a ******* thing.
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Back on topic.
Anyone else think Rodgers and Brady are so good because of how they got **** on in college and coming into the league?
Its why I'm can't hate Rodgers even though I'm supposed to. Everything he has he earned.
Brady at least had good defenses and what not.
Anyone else think Rodgers and Brady are so good because of how they got **** on in college and coming into the league?
Its why I'm can't hate Rodgers even though I'm supposed to. Everything he has he earned.
Brady at least had good defenses and what not.
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Imo the problem is they can't evolve fast enough. In recent years there just hasn't been an even playing field so to speak, and defenses won't have a chance to catch up until officiating and rule changes stop stop finding new ways to cater to the passing game.
Hypothetically if the rules stayed identical for the next twenty years and there were no new officiating emphases during that span, I think we might see some kind of statistical rebalancing of sorts as defenses were given a greater chance to keep up with the evolution of the game . But I think most of us agree that the reality is we're headed in the opposite direction.
That said I do firmly believe the QB's of today are superior in ability to those of years past. That's just the natural evolution of sports and practiced skills in general. There's no aspect of QB play that was coached or taught a generation ago that hasn't been built on or continued to be perfected since.
Add to that the likely fact that Aaron Rodgers and Peyton Manning have thrown more footballs in their lifetime than Joe Montana or Dan Marino. The starting QB at the prep school down the way with zero offers and no professional future has thrown more passes in his lifetime than his other a generation ago. Just look at Tom Brady, no one who was a backup the majority of their high school and college careers got the kind of reps or coaching he did.
Yup passing stats are inflated and but we're still blessed to see what we're seeing in terms of talent and ability.
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Damn...I missed out. **** got hot in here.
Yeah, it's a major part of their success. I really believe that. Brady have it all (word to your boy) and 14 years later he STILL talks about being picked in the 6th Round.
I'm also of the opinion that Belichick has benefited more from having Brady than the other way around.
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Yeah, it's a major part of their success. I really believe that. Brady have it all (word to your boy) and 14 years later he STILL talks about being picked in the 6th Round.
This gif will never not be hilarious to me.
I'm convinced your guy Brady thinks about getting drafted in the 6th rd while he's inside of Gisele's sweet sugar walls.
With that being said, I've seen enough.
I'm convinced AR12 is the best QB I've ever seen and will go down as the GOAT.
