QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson

[100027]

I have no issue with varied opinions. DSA thinks one way, Chester another, Fraij something else, myself another way. That's how it works.

SP, gives a statement, we disprove it, he backtracks to another statement, unrelated to what his first point was, we counter that, he goes to some other random thing, completely off his original point, again, is what I called out.

The end result being his claim that if it's so easy to pass today, everyone would do it, and we show passing numbers basically double and tripling from 20 years ago, you'd think that would be that. Yet he stays rambling.

It makes perfect sense that you'd be the one rushing to his aid. My suggestion for something I say bothering you is put me on ignore and not worry how I talk cuz I don't remember asking you a ******* thing.

I'm not bothered...  You just seem to catch a lot of feelings based on people who disagree with you about sports.  Sports.  

...Sports.

You should chill.

I'm not going to block you because I love hearing different opinions, especially ones like "Graham is a better blocker than Gronkowski." 

 

[dmxfury]

eh the line of thinking was hard to follow

And CPs rants are classic, always look forward to them

Appears Ben's wrist is fine, he needs a good game vs Cincy. I'm afraid the pass rush will pressure him too much

 

[finnns2003]

I'm not bothered...  You just seem to catch a lot of feelings based on people who disagree with you about sports.  Sports.  

...Sports.

You should chill.

Oh you don't know the half of it with gramps CP

He's a big ol' teddy bear on the inside though, at the end of the day it's shootin the #$^& on a sports forum

 

[CP1708]

I have no issue with varied opinions. DSA thinks one way, Chester another, Fraij something else, myself another way. That's how it works.


SP, gives a statement, we disprove it, he backtracks to another statement, unrelated to what his first point was, we counter that, he goes to some other random thing, completely off his original point, again, is what I called out.


The end result being his claim that if it's so easy to pass today, everyone would do it, and we show passing numbers basically double and tripling from 20 years ago, you'd think that would be that. Yet he stays rambling.


It makes perfect sense that you'd be the one rushing to his aid. My suggestion for something I say bothering you is put me on ignore and not worry how I talk cuz I don't remember asking you a ******* thing.

I'm not bothered...  You just seem to catch a lot of feelings based on people who disagree with you about sports.  Sports.  

...Sports.

You should chill.

I'm not going to block you because I love hearing different opinions, especially ones like "Graham is a better blocker than Gronkowski." 

You got me, all my feels, NT owns them.

You don't wanna block me cuz you wanna stay ridin my posts and chiming in with your bull ****. No biggie, enjoy them.

 

[tripda6]

Cutler is Jeff George 2.0, dude will never really be a winner

Part of me still wants to see him flourish... 

Crazy, he's only been to the playoffs once in his career.

 

[jpzx]

We all choose our spots when win-loss records in the playoffs/SB are worthy of factoring in...

But is that really the foundation of your counterpoint... his playoff record?

Peyton Manning has a sub .500 record in the playoffs.
Ben Roethlisberger's playoff winning percentage is better than Tom Brady's.

It's a pretty useless barometer unless it's so far one way or the other.

Rodgers was protected by Dirty Mike & The Boys for some of those playoff seasons and had to publicly back defenses that gambled to a fault and inflated the Colin Kaepernick narrative to astronomical proportions. The only year when that gambling **** worked was in 2010 and Charles Woodson turned the clock back and Tramon Williams emerged.

There's a lot of layers to a back-and-forth debate on such a wide-ranging topic like 'greatest quarterback ever'. Clearly we can't have a great argument because Rodgers is in the middle of his career while the person you'd tout as the best is nearing the latter portion of his career or is done with his career. It's something we have to put off and discuss later if Niketalk still exists when Rodgers retires....

 

[CP1708]

We all choose our spots when win-loss records in the playoffs/SB are worthy of factoring in...

But is that really the foundation of your counterpoint... his playoff record?

Peyton Manning has a sub .500 record in the playoffs.
Ben Roethlisberger's playoff winning percentage is better than Tom Brady's.

It's a pretty useless barometer unless it's so far one way or the other.

Rodgers was protected by Dirty Mike & The Boys for some of those playoff seasons and had to publicly back defenses that gambled to a fault and inflated the Colin Kaepernick narrative to astronomical proportions. The only year when that gambling **** worked was in 2010 and Charles Woodson turned the clock back and Tramon Williams emerged.

There's a lot of layers to a back-and-forth debate on such a wide-ranging topic like 'greatest quarterback ever'. Clearly we can't have a great argument because Rodgers is in the middle of his career while the person you'd tout as the best is nearing the latter portion of his career or is done with his career. It's something we have to put off and discuss later if Niketalk still exists when Rodgers retires....

Agree with a ton of that.

In time, you have to just go back to each season/scenario, and see what happened and how. Like tuck rule, or helmet catch, or Kurt Warner being inches from 3-0 or 0-3 in the SB, etc.

One of my big knocks on Peyton has always been, 1 and done. So many of them. Homefield, on the road, young, old, great team, average team, just lots of one and done's, and to me, those add up to something bigger that must weight on Peyton, fair or not. 1-2 I can forgive, I think he has like 11. That I can't. (I know it's not really 11)

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

In time, you have to just go back to each season/scenario, and see what happened and how. Like tuck rule, or helmet catch, or Kurt Warner being inches from 3-0 or 0-3 in the SB, etc.

Agreed. Fans often make sweeping statements while judging players strictly off #'s and memorable plays. The little **** in between counts, too. It's all about context.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Mike Smith has nightmares about that 2010 Playoff game vs Rodgers.  

Dude probably hasn't slept in a week.

 

[CP1708]

Matt Miller @nfldraftscout · 13h 13 hours ago
Marcus Mariota is what Russell Wilson would look like at 6'4". That's my current pro comparison.

I wish some of you knew the joy this tweet brought me.


I don't expect much out of Mariota in the NFL, at all, but depending on the team that gets him, maybe he can sway me. IE, if Philly jumped up to get him.

If Oakland, Tampa, the Jets, Jax, Tenn, Skins, etc take him, forget it. He's already done.


If he goes to St Louis.........I might just get on board with that. I might love that, really. I wanted him there last year. I'd love it even more now. I would really love to see a Rams/Raiders trade so the Rams could get him and see what he could do on turf and with those young weapons. Gotta fire Schotty, but we can do that. Internet petition or something.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

I wish Schotty on no team.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Theodore "Skinny Knees" Throwsevelt over the last four games:
73/113 - 64.6% - 815 yards, 7 TD, 3 INT

Also improved to 5-4 on the year as the starter.

 

[CP1708]

Luck just lead a 90 yard comeback win drive yesterday?

Zero Oline, getting blasted by defenders, no run game, 295 yards, led the team in rushing, 3 total TD's. On the road.

And he didn't play well. He started out somethin like 3/11 for 15 yards, got pummeled on the sack fumble, threw two picks, got lit up at the goalline by Leonard, constantly battered all day long, 90 yard drive to win.

With about as little help as a QB can get.

 

[dmxfury]

That HHH knee to the head was vicious

 

[CP1708]

It makes no sense that he survives that stuff. But he just keeps getting up. Ben is the only other QB I can think of that takes those type of shots and lives.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Reggie Wayne dropped two DIMES yesterday, too. One of them was a 40 yard dart.

 

[air spider 777]

Luck took a beating yday.

I got so scared when he took the knee to the head and his head went back. Thankfully he got up.


Yeah Chester, Reggie sadly is at the end. He's just not himself anymore.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Russ was hitting some throws yesterday. The TD to Baldwin was a thing of beauty.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Matt Stafford has played two of the best 7 or 8 games of his career back to back weeks.

60-79 701 yards 5 touchdowns 0 picks

 

[Chester McFloppy]

The Detroit offense is starting to look how I envisioned it at the start of the year. Joique Bell is so much better than Reggie Bush at everything.

 

[pacificnorsewst]

Theodore "Skinny Knees" Throwsevelt over the last four games:
73/113 - 64.6% - 815 yards, 7 TD, 3 INT

Also improved to 5-4 on the year as the starter.

And one of those interceptions was a hail Mary at the end of the 1st half. Charles Johnson also fumbled a ball into the end zone from the goal line that cold have been another TD. Oh well though. He's playing really well.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Theodore "Skinny Knees" Throwsevelt over the last four games:
73/113 - 64.6% - 815 yards, 7 TD, 3 INT

Also improved to 5-4 on the year as the starter.

And one of those interceptions was a hail Mary at the end of the 1st half. Charles Johnson also fumbled a ball into the end zone from the goal line that cold have been another TD. Oh well though. He's playing really well.

Yeah, I've been nothing but impressed with him. Vikings almost .500. If they end the season at 8-8 without AP... I'd consider that an incredibly successful rookie campaign.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Theodore "Skinny Knees" Throwsevelt over the last four games:
73/113 - 64.6% - 815 yards, 7 TD, 3 INT

Also improved to 5-4 on the year as the starter.

And one of those interceptions was a hail Mary at the end of the 1st half. Charles Johnson also fumbled a ball into the end zone from the goal line that cold have been another TD. Oh well though. He's playing really well.

Yall have three o-linemen out next week. :x

Pray for the man.

 

[pacificnorsewst]

May as well be 4 because Kalil is pure crap.

I'm not worried though. He did great against that Jets front, so as long as he keeps making quick decisions he'll be okay.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Obilgatory Andrew Luck slander

Only Blake Bortles and Jay Cutler have thrown more interceptions than Andrew Luck this season.

He's thrown as many as Andy Dalton and Eli Manning.

But he doesn't need to cut down on the picks though.