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Stafford cant be trusted but he's due up for a big game against a top team. Who knows when that is 
QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson
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Stafford cant be trusted but he's due up for a big game against a top team. Who knows when that is
Stafford about to go Eli in 2007 and 2011.
Both teams set up the same way too
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Yeah, I wouldn't use those rankings to measure o-lines around the league. It's only accounting for sacks and not QB pressures, hits, etc.
Patriots #3 in pass-blocking is a joke.
Patriots #3 in pass-blocking is a joke.
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Rodgers could throw for 0 TD's and 48 INT's tonight and still have the best TD:INT ratio all time after 100 starts.
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Bruh stop hating on the young gawd Andrew luck, you wish he was your qb! Just sit back and enjoy him **** slapping the league in his 3rd year, yeah that's right only his 3rd year. as much as he throws the ball per game he should have more ints... I love the fact that he doesn't care if he throws 0pics or 4pics dude is still attacking and making plays... He went at joe Haden all day and it paid off in the end...
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I've got a feeling we're seeing eachother 2 times in Lambeau this year.
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Thing is, those things need many grains of salt.
Where did they have Indy, at 6, for pass pro? Have you seen them lately?
Marino used to alter all our Oline sack stats because he got the ball out lightning fast. Luck is able to absorb, avoid, step up, etc pressure and get rid of the ball, good or bad all the time. That keeps their sack totals down, but that doesn't make their oline "good" in pass pro.
Same with running. Ourside of Herron's 1 game, and Bradshaw in the games he's played, 1 100 yard runner in 45 games. Every team, defense, coach, player, knows it's going to be Luck slinging it, and for the most part, they still can't stop him. Denver has Peyton, but they've also had big games from Ball, Hillman, Anderson, hell McGahee functioned for his final year better than anything Luck has had.
Indy will get beat in the playoffs at some point, by Denver or NE, it won't be because of Luck, it will because their roster is extremely thin outside of 5-6 pretty good players, and one freaking insanely good one. If they can start drafting like they did Peyton in the late 90's, early 00's, Luck will be a nightmare to deal with. But that GM gotta come thru.
Preach CP, Preach.
If we can somehow get the complete team we had in 05 where we were complete on both sides of the ball (not in 06 when we won the SB bc the defense was terrible that year lol), we will win the Super Bowl.
Grigs has to start making good moves. No more of these ******** free agent deals. Granted they arent killing us as far as money goes but these guys do not produce for the most part. Landry, D'Qwell, Walden. RJF for the most part suck.
We need a oline and a decent running game. I dont want a repeat of the Manning years. All the stats and the regular season wins but nothing to show for it except one Super Bowl and that team would not have even gotten to the AFC Championship game if the defense decided getting shredded the whole year was enough.
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Grigson and Pagano are both just average enough not to get fired.
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Posted this in the NFL thread, needs to go here.
All three of Aaron Rodgers INT's this year.
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Homie legitimately could have zero.
All three of Aaron Rodgers INT's this year.
:xHomie legitimately could have zero.
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Posted this in the NFL thread, needs to go here.
All three of Aaron Rodgers INT's this year.
Homie legitimately could have zero.
a couple of those are actually bad throws...which is why they're getting tipped up. the balls are not really on the receiver.
regardless...3 INTs is RIDICULOUS considering he's chucking the ball deep so much. it's not like he's taking the Alexis approach
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a couple of those are actually bad throws...which is why they're getting tipped up. the balls are not really on the receiver.
regardless...3 INTs is RIDICULOUS considering he's chucking the ball deep so much. it's not like he's taking the Alexis approach
Eh, the first throw to Jordy Nelson was a little bit off but a grab that Nelson will grab 8 out of 10 times.
Second throw to Adams was a bad one that he threw off balanced under pressure.
Third throw was on the receivers hands, definitely won't blame Rodgers for that one. Not really the receivers fault either just a good play by the defender.
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All very catchable IMO. All touched the receivers hands.
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I'm thinking Winston. All the physical tools. He plays in a pro offense already, good pocket presence and poise, he's accurate. Too many interceptions this season, but he showed last year he can thrive while keeping the turnovers down.
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All this.
Yet again, only hesitation, his off the field judgements is way too ******. Soon he'll have millions. I just don't know.
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I don't believe in Mariota at all. Zero. He is a clear bust waiting to happen, UNLESS he goes to Philly, NE, KC, etc.
Anywhere else, forget it. He plays in a gimmick college offense that produces zero NFL talent. Alllllll the college offense they've produced the last five years, not one of their players is worth a ****. Somehow, they have better defensive prospects than offensive. Freakin bizarre, but true.
He has talent, but he won't outrun the NFL. He might look good early, a month, two, sort of Kap, Foles, RG3, like, even Geno had a game here or there. Once film adds up, teams can study him, forget it.
He won't be able to scan the whole field, then put the ball in a window. At UO, his guys are wiiiiiiide open, and he hits them. Great. In the NFL, "open" is the CB is on the receivers left hip, you throw to his right hip. He ain't gonna pull that off.
Longshot/odds, maybe, MAYBE if he sits a year or two, really learns the league, works, etc, you save that tape. They can't study him. He comes in year 3, better prepared, no film of him (outside preseason/mop up snaps) he might extend his window a little. That is his best chance, imo.
Jameis is the more pro ready, and about as wise an investment as Enron. Kid could be great, or dead, or in jail, or Ben/AP/Ray Rice on steroids, EJ Manuel, I have no idea. He is forever one step away from stupid.
He will worry the **** out of his head coach. This class, imo, is terrible. I trust none of them. But I know someone will gamble on Mariota or Winston. They will see good kid with MM, stats, sexy highlights, Heisman, running, throws on a practice field, etc. He'll "look" safe. But he won't be pro ready.
As I posted a while back, he's getting Russ comparisons, but 6-4. Well, if he doesn't have Lynch and a top 3 defense, he's gonna have to whip it around 30+ times a game, in tight spaces, and less running in the NFL than he had in college. Not his strong suit, at all.
If he goes to the Jets...............
Chester disagrees with me. He is all in on MM, and thinks I dislike him cuz I dislike UO. So I'll patiently wait for MM to prove me wrong, but I can't think of many system QB's that start slingin it around at the NFL level just fine when they never once showed anything like that in college. Not many receivers open by 9 yards in the NFL.
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Pretty much agree with all that.
One Q that has my curiosity though is Rakeem Cato. I don't watch college football like I used to so I want to watch some tape on a few guys, but I think Taylor Kelly could be decent as well.
One Q that has my curiosity though is Rakeem Cato. I don't watch college football like I used to so I want to watch some tape on a few guys, but I think Taylor Kelly could be decent as well.
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Here are some evaluations of another "system QB" before the draft.
"He's a system quarterback. 3-, 5-, 7-step guy. Can't create on his own. Panics under pressure. Gets flustered easy. I don't think there's a quarterback in the draft worthy of a first-round pick. I'm dead serious. None of them are worth it."
"He fit right into the Cal system. He probably executed that as well as anybody. He doesn't have as strong an arm as Boller but can make the same reads and play the scheme as well as Boller did."
"I think he has a good chance of being a bust. Just like every other Tedford-coached quarterback."
"The thing you worry about is those (Jeff) Tedford guys. They don't do anything for a couple years and then they have a good year or two. Who of his quarterbacks has done what they're supposed to do? None of them."
"A product of the system? A good percentage of his passing yards come from short throws that are turned into long runs."
"There has to be a minor concern regarding the wide-open quarterback friendly system that Rodgers played in at Cal, as it makes reads easier on quarterbacks and it also balloons their numbers with a lot of short passes that are turned into long gains."
"He's a system quarterback. 3-, 5-, 7-step guy. Can't create on his own. Panics under pressure. Gets flustered easy. I don't think there's a quarterback in the draft worthy of a first-round pick. I'm dead serious. None of them are worth it."
"He fit right into the Cal system. He probably executed that as well as anybody. He doesn't have as strong an arm as Boller but can make the same reads and play the scheme as well as Boller did."
"I think he has a good chance of being a bust. Just like every other Tedford-coached quarterback."
"The thing you worry about is those (Jeff) Tedford guys. They don't do anything for a couple years and then they have a good year or two. Who of his quarterbacks has done what they're supposed to do? None of them."
"A product of the system? A good percentage of his passing yards come from short throws that are turned into long runs."
"There has to be a minor concern regarding the wide-open quarterback friendly system that Rodgers played in at Cal, as it makes reads easier on quarterbacks and it also balloons their numbers with a lot of short passes that are turned into long gains."
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Fully agree CP... a question was asked awhile ago who would you rather have. Personally it's Ryan Leaf (all the talent in the world but a huge head case who doesn't read the field) or (Insert Tedford QB not named Rodgers). I wouldn't want either but if I was the Titans, Jets, Skins, or the Bucs I take Winston...
Best thing for MM is to drop in the draft Marino/Rodgers style. He won't though.
Best thing for MM is to drop in the draft Marino/Rodgers style. He won't though.
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