Originally Posted by Elpablo21
Originally Posted by CP1708
Originally Posted by Elpablo21
Originally Posted by Chester McFloppy
Also, since it hasn't been posted on this page yet:
Seattle has a great defense - check
QBR - the magical stat that rated Matt Ryan, Flacco and Eli Manning better than your Golden Child Luck.
Similar to how Lynch and Wilson relied on each other in a symbiotic run-game relationship, so too did Seattle's offense and defense. Seattle's offensive group helped the defense establish itself as the cream of the crop by consistently putting together long drives
(averaged over 3:00 per drive, third in the NFL), dominating time of possession (third in the NFL at over 32 minutes per game), and by scoring at a consistently high rate (ninth most points per drive). This despite the fact that Wilson was by far the most pressured
quarterback in the NFL (on 34 percent of dropbacks). Seattle doesn't pick their linemen because they're good in pass pro, you see, but Wilson was still second in pass DVOA
(value per play) when under pressure.
If you're still not convinced, consider this stat, because it helps paint a picture of what kind of passer a quarterback really is without pressure and volume involved. In 2014, Wilson finished third in passing DVOA
among quarterbacks when facing no pressure, behind only Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo. In other words -- when Wilson could sit back and throw without a defender instantly in his face, he balled out.
When he has ONE, completion midway thru the first half, of the Super Bowl.........he's symbiotically helping his defense, and covering for his Oline, chosen for their run blocking talents?
Run blocking you say?????
And then, he throws up not 1, not 2, not 3, but four different "jump ball" passes that the Foot Locker guy goes up and gets, or another receiver catches, while laying on his back.........I need to credit Russ, for those plays?
Or the 2 point conversion, across the field, lobbed like a Tiger Woods wedge from the bunker, that the defender makes no attempt on, I credit Russ, for that throw?????
And minutes per possession...........isn't that a run control stat?
Ala, Lynch effectively carrying the ball, chewing clock.
Or am I misunderstanding all these fine stats?
Who said you should praise russ for the 2pt. conversion? and the pass to Kearse? please point that out, thanks
Yes, an Oline choosen for their run blocking talents a philosophy Pete has followed prior to drafting Russ...but that's a knock on Russ..right?
and run control stat yes, in which a QB who ran for 849 yards contributed to with
He can't get credit for passes to Foot Locker guy, but every pass anyone else makes...it's as good as gold right?
I think you missed what I was countering.
You posted DVOABCDEFG stats, etc. That count his "effectiveness" passing the ball. Hence, the one completion 22 minutes into A SUPER BOWL, before he started throwing jump balls.
Or how he had 70ish yards thru 57 minutes of the NFCCG.
Counters to those stats they are using.
Surely we all agree he is great at running, I do not knock him for that, and I do agree that he and Lynch are helpful to each other in that respect.
But throwing? Naw. They are great at limiting turnovers, and playing to his strengths, but that doesn't make him a top 10 QB, imo. Playmaker? Sure. Exciting/fun to watch? No doubt. But as good a QB as guys like Ryan, Romo, Flacco, Ben, Rivers, etc? No sir.
He's a slower, smarter, more accurate Vick. Plays the same position, but in a completely different, unique way. Fast enough, but not Vick fast, but clearly much smarter than Mike.