Originally Posted by SkurrtSkurrt29
Originally Posted by CP1708
Except when you are in the NFCCG and you can throw 4 INT's and have a fumble on a kickoff, and still win.........by less than a TD.
On fewer throws than Luck usually throws in a game.
And with a better RB.
Against the league MVP.
In other words, woe is Andrew Luck.
This man's own head ******* coach said enough is enough. But yet here we are, continuing to make excuses for a 4th year quarterback who still continues to make mistakes.
Nobody said he's not great. We all can pretty much agree on that fact.
We all can also agree on the fact that the talent around him isn't the greatest.
All people are saying is that if he has a ****** team, he's not helping by fumbling the ball and throwing picks at a once per game rate. Which is problematic for a quarterback.
Point to all the advanced stats you want, speaking about the Steelers, there hasn't been a point in Ben's career where I'm like "wow, this guy turns the ball over too much." So you can miss me with that "those guys turn the ball over too!" bullsh*t.
I'm not picking on you, so know that straight up because I'm just sifting through here trying to catch up and give my two cents as the shark that I am (that's for Ches)...
But...Pagano? We can take the time to discern between the faults of the team that has been "built" (GM) and the haves and have-nots, but what bothers me is taking this or a coaches press conference and use that for an overall argument. My reason for saying that is because Pagano is on the hot seat. I mean, the **** is sizzling. He's tied to this
season and he damn well knows it.
We cannot sit here -- even behind computer screens -- and neglect the fact that despite the NFL housing the best of the best, that lots of GM's and coaches can sometimes be just simply (in every sense of the word) the next dude coming through on a conveyor belt that may or may not, really have clue what he is doing. Their opportunity finds them there, but that doesn't supersede know-how and results. Pagano may have a lot of points, but he also seems to have a lot of emotion at this point and his job being on the line needs some weight. I believe @CP1708
alludes to it later, but Pagano wasn't complaining when Luck was trudging through the mud with these dudes, including Pagano himself, on his back, and bringing these guys to a point in the season that a team with the same makeup, but with other types of QB's, would have no business being in. Pagano was all 'bout it then...Actually, here it is:
Originally Posted by CP1708
Coach said it after a 4 TO game, in other words, a one game reaction. Hot take if you will.
Pagano doesn't say anything when Luck goes for 400+ with 4 TD's and one INT, but he has to say it when there are multiple TO's. And Luck took it on himself as well.
Originally Posted by Mister Friendly
They are still turnovers though, if a running back ran 50 yards and was stripped at the plus 30 yard line vs fumbling on his own 15 yard line. You aren't going to say one is a better turnover, they both suck.
There's something to this. I think a lot of people might agree, but the transparency of your stance (or so it comes off as an antagonist-type maybe?) makes it hard to truly make this objective among the crowd. Again, not trying to point at you directly @Mister Friendly
because I'm just sifting through the last few pages, and I know you're no stranger trying to hold your own, because we've all been there...
Turnovers are the bane of any coach, player and team as a whole...Singularly, the weight of a turnover is paramount. From afar, and with viewpoint, we are allowed to analyze -- as coaches might do with film study per se -- but as fans, it's allowed even more room for interpretation. That's just the nature. I know the feeling...The pressing feeling. Much much smaller scale than the NFL, but when the team around you isn't getting it done and you can sense they wont at that particular time -- you press. You force. Look at Romo...Dude got flak for years, but no one took to the time to realize how ****** that team was. Sure, they had Owens, but they had nothing else. Nothing.
He couldn't take a step back without getting smothered. He created and led a team that otherwise should have been, at best, 4-12, to 7-9 or 8-8...Yet, it was always hating on Romo. Fast forward and he gets a strong offensive line, he doesn't press nearly to the degree he used to and he's uber-efficient and gets his team within a bogus call of being in the NFCCG. Luck has no one...Maybe a T.Y. to Romo's T.O., but what does that really accomplish in the ultimate team game? It doesn't...You take last years AFCCG team and give it to any quarterback that you consider above average -- below that elite tier -- and without the benefit of a past not told or seen, and as a betting man, I'm laying big dollars down that that
team comes nowhere close to being one game away form the Super Bowl.
That's context, right?
Verbose, but @Chester McFloppy
sums it up:
Originally Posted by Chester McFloppy
I've seen quarterbacks win Super Bowls in which they go 9/21 for 123 yards and 2 picks and not have to throw touchdowns until their team is already up by 29 points.
I've seen Tony Romo throw for 500 yards and 5 TDs, but still get the blame for a loss because of a lone turnover.
There's a lot more that goes into football than QB play but eh, it is what it is.
Originally Posted by fraij da 5 11
Favre w/ that 3.3%.
Ya'll thinking negative, I just know it, but...Shutup! @DeadsetAce
does it all the time!
P.S. - Like the guy, but him jumping into the middle of every-*******-quarterback discussion with Brady and/or Kate Perry laughing gifs is ANNOYING...We get it bro...We get it...Had you not been fortunate enough with Patriots/Brady happenstance, you still peg me as the guy that would be doing this with all the Q's you laugh at for teams in the NFCE...Don't lie! Lucky bastard...
Originally Posted by SneakerPro
Matt Stafford's career int% is lower than Troy Aikman and Dan Marino so don't trot all time greats out to prop up Luck's.
Also I think it BS to compare career int% to guys that have started twice the number of games.
And finally look at Luck's percentage when he has a higher YPA and attempts her game.
The one year Andrew Luck threw more passes than Matt Stafford his int% was higher.
Andrew Luck's 2013 statisically was Alex Smith in every way. Which helped his int%.
When Andrew Luck has thrown a high volume and deep his int% has risen.
Originally Posted by NooEra
Personally, the eye test tells me Andrew has trouble against good competition. I'd be interested to see what his record is against teams that finish above .500
Maybe it's good, idk. I do know the Pats take his soul every single time to the tune of about 50 to 10
Originally Posted by JJ Watt
The issue with NT will always be context.
It's always black and white here. Never grey.
**** you. Reading is fundamental. Something your
quarterback doesn't have....Here's to you @StillIn729 @itsaboutthattimeEdited by 651akathePaul - 9/24/15 at 11:06pm