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troy aikman is in the hof. his stats aint really impressive. system qb. ben will be in the hof as well imo.
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QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson
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I will list tomorrow but i disagree he want too 5 at any point till this last year as well. And do we go position or player? Because position is a decent argument, player there are a ton of examples
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this list is a much better list then the one posted a few days ago that had russell ahead of romo .
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Sorry if I was unclear. My argument was and always has been top 5 at his position.
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I think Ben Roethlisberger has had times before the 2014 season where he was a borderline top 5 quarterback.....2008,2010,2011
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I would buy this rebuttal if Ben was constantly ranked right after those guys.....but up until recently he hasnt been. Some of the time, he hasnt even been close. He has had more seasons where he wasnt even a top 10 quarterback than seasons where he was "close to top, just behind future HOFers.
Quarterbacks like Donovan McNabb, Kurt Warner, Phillip Rivers, brett Favre, Matt Ryan and TonyRomo werell prett consistently better than Ben. Plus there are one or two off seasons where players like Matt Cassel, Matt Schaub, Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, Michael Vick, and many others had better seasons than Ben.
For most of his career, he would be considered somewhere between the 9th and 18th best QBs. To me, that is not Hall of Fame in spite of the rings.
Heres the thing. I am not arguing that if he continues on this rise, and combining that with his team success, that he wont be in the Hall. I just never subscribed to the theory that he would be because of the rings. He needs to maintain this leve of play for a while. Because if he doesnt and goes right back to being a borderline top 10 guy, I would argue that he has had far too many mediocre years to be a Hall lock.
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Well, you would be wrong.
2008? Nope. 21st in completion percentage. 14th in yards. 15th in touchdowns. 24th in paser rating. Borderline top 5 in 2008 is an absolutely laugahble claim sir. Just absurd.
2010? Nope. 15th in completion percentage. 18th in yards. 19th in touchdowns. 5th in passer rating. Much closer than your first example but still not close to top 5.
2011? Ehhhh still no. 6th in completion percentage. 9th in yards. 11th in touchdowns. 10th in passer rating. Sorry, not a borderline top 5 season.
I fail to see how any of your examples show that Ben had anywhere close to top 5 seasons. I just dont.
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I meant 2007....Made the Pro Bowl... 10-5 record, 2nd in quarterback rating, 4th in QBR, 3rd in passing touchdowns, 3rd in yards per attempt....Top quarterbacks that season 1. Brady 2. Favre 3. Manning 4. Roesthlisberger 5. Romo
2010.... Missing 4 games due to suspension, 9-3 record reached the Super Bowl, 5th in quarterback rating, 6th in yards per game, 3rd in yards per attempt, tied for 2nd in lowest interception pct....Top quarterbacks that season 1. Brady 2. Manning 3. Brees 3. Rodgers( mainly off of his postseason) Vick, Roesthlisberger and Rivers were similar levels depending on what the preference
2011...Made the Pro Bowl...11-4 record, 10th in quarterback rating, 8th in yards per game, 8th in QBR
Top quarterbacks that season....1. Rodgers 2. Brady 3. Brees 4. Romo after that Rivers, Eli, Roesthlisberger, Ryan were all about at the same level
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Dude, are you really gonna tell me Ben hasn't been a good QB except in the last two seasons?
Cause that's what I'm getting from you, and as a Steelers fan I can tell you haven't watched many games, or else you wouldn't dare put guys like Ryan, Schaub, VICK
lol), and Cassel in this convo. Just because they had (in your mind) better seasons than Roethlisberger at some point.
Furthermore, I don't care who you are. When your o-line sucks **** the majority of your career, you're stats are gonna take a hit. It's no coincidence that people started paying attention to him once his supporting cast got better.
Cause that's what I'm getting from you, and as a Steelers fan I can tell you haven't watched many games, or else you wouldn't dare put guys like Ryan, Schaub, VICK
lol), and Cassel in this convo. Just because they had (in your mind) better seasons than Roethlisberger at some point.Furthermore, I don't care who you are. When your o-line sucks **** the majority of your career, you're stats are gonna take a hit. It's no coincidence that people started paying attention to him once his supporting cast got better.
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Dude, are you really gonna tell me Ben hasn't been a good QB except in the last two seasons?
Cause that's what I'm getting from you, and as a Steelers fan I can tell you haven't watched many games, or else you wouldn't dare put guys like Ryan, Schaub, VICK
Furthermore, I don't care who you are. When your o-line sucks **** the majority of your career, you're stats are gonna take a hit. It's no coincidence that people started paying attention to him once his supporting cast got better.
If after all this, you think that I am saying Ben hasnt been good up until the last couple seasons, I Am going to stop replying to you. Never once did I say that. Your love for Ben is clouding your ability to comprehend what you are reading.
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And your clear dislike (or previous dislike, either way it's pretty obvious) is clouding your common sense. Or you're just uninformed.
So we're even.
So we're even.
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Seeing this thread back on page 1 gave me a single tear.
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Here and there. Got a lot of stuff going on so haven't been on NT hardly at all.
Football gonna draw me back in more though.
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This guy must be a misinformed hater
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Bolds the first sentence of a paragraph while ignoring the rest.
LOL.
LOL.
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that hard hitting analysis
and i'm sorry...i'm a huge Ben fan, but #2? nah....
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Remove Brady outta the top 10
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It's like they literally TRY, to be stupid.
He bolded that sentence, 16 INT's........in 16 games.
ONE, per game. "Too many".
*ignores taking 2-14 team to playoffs as rookie, full Arians playbook, no run game, no Oline, brilliant on the run, playaction magic even with zero run game, efficient deep, poise under pressure, going to be NFL's next elite QB*
1 INT per game tho.
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Luck should just hand the ball to Zurlon Tipton 20 times a game.
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So much hurt over one sentence.... It's not even that negative.
do work son
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it's not how negative it was, it's that he took the time to quote it, and bold the only negative thing to support his point, and disregarded everything else.
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it's not hurt over that sentence. it's comedy over the fact that one person bolded that sentence in an aim to prove some point about luck
