QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson

[Chester McFloppy]

48 passes for 200 yards.

 

[DeadsetAce]

Don't get me started on that douche Brady trotting out there throwing 48 times a game this season....

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48 passes for 200 yards.

or a league leading 760 yards...same thing though, right?

 

[CP1708]

No, Andrew Luck turns the ball over more per game than most of them.

You can trying to make a turn over per throw thing.

When turnovers don't work like that

The takeaway/give away margin is measured in totals they don't break it down to percentage of plays that are turnovers.

INT's after 50 career starts

Peyton, 62
Aikman, 59
Marino, 57
Ben, 50
Montana, 37
Brees, 42
Romo, 53
Elway, 56


Luck, with 48, and he's thrown way more passes than any of these guys, at 1,899.

Luck = fewer turnovers than any of the elites outside of Rodgers and Brady.

LeBatard hit the nail on the head this morning.

People that keep crying about Andrew Luck throws too many INT’s are the anti-Advanced Stats guys from NBA/MLB. They are the ones that still believe RBI and Wins are the most important stats over things like WAR or FIP, or that PPG is a better measuring stick than PER.

 

[dmxfury]

One metric is more directly related to the player and another is more related to offensive philosophy



AR12

 

[dmxfury]

View media item 1671328or a league leading 760 yards...same thing though, right?

Ben is second . (I think)

 

[Chester McFloppy]

48 passes for 200 yards.

or a league leading 760 yards...same thing though, right?

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[rolaholic]

 

or a league leading 760 yards...same thing though, right?

Ben is second

. (I think)

Check AB's stats 

 

[DeadsetAce]

View media item 1671328or a league leading 760 yards...same thing though, right?

Ben is second . (I think)

ben this year

 

[CP1708]

One metric is more directly related to the player and another is more related to offensive philosophy



AR12

Ding ding ding ding.

He's trying to push it off and make it seem like it's Luck that runs the offense, and what is or isn't called.

But Young and Montana, with Bill Walsh, threw INT's even more often than Luck does, without Bill Walsh, and without Roger Craig or Ricky Waters.

 

[DeadsetAce]

^ why we even talking about Montana's ratio? shouldn't we compare luck to a higher standard? the gold standard, if you will. like Brady or Rodgers?

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not srs

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or am i?

 

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[table][tr][th=""]Rk[/th][th=""]Player[/th][th=""]Team[/th][th=""]Pos[/th][th=""]Comp[/th][th=""]Att[/th][th=""]Pct[/th][th=""]Att/G[/th][th=""]Yds[/th][th=""]Avg[/th][th=""]Yds/G[/th][th=""]TD[/th][th=""]Int[/th][th=""]1st[/th][th=""]1st%[/th][th=""]Lng[/th][th=""]20+[/th][th=""]40+[/th][th=""]Sck[/th][th=""]Rate[/th][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]Tom Brady[/td][td]NE[/td][td]QB[/td][td]63[/td][td]91[/td][td]69.2[/td][td]45.5[/td][td]754[/td][td]8.3[/td][td]377.0[/td][td]7[/td][td]0[/td][td]39[/td][td]42.9[/td][td]52[/td][td]8[/td][td]2[/td][td]4[/td][td]119.9[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]Sam Bradford[/td][td]PHI[/td][td]QB[/td][td]59[/td][td]89[/td][td]66.3[/td][td]44.5[/td][td]560[/td][td]6.3[/td][td]280.0[/td][td]2[/td][td]4[/td][td]28[/td][td]31.5[/td][td]32[/td][td]5[/td][td]0[/td][td]1[/td][td]72.3[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]Drew Brees[/td][td]NO[/td][td]QB[/td][td]54[/td][td]86[/td][td]62.8[/td][td]43.0[/td][td]610[/td][td]7.1[/td][td]305.0[/td][td]2[/td][td]2[/td][td]23[/td][td]26.7[/td][td]63[/td][td]9[/td][td]2[/td][td]6[/td][td]82.0[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]Andrew Luck[/td][td]IND[/td][td]QB[/td][td]47[/td][td]86[/td][td]54.7[/td][td]43.0[/td][td]493[/td][td]5.7[/td][td]246.5[/td][td]3[/td][td]5[/td][td]27[/td][td]31.4[/td][td]30[/td][td]7[/td][td]0[/td][td]2[/td][td]58.9[/td][/tr][tr][td]5[/td][td]Peyton Manning[/td][td]DEN[/td][td]QB[/td][td]50[/td][td]85[/td][td]58.8[/td][td]42.5[/td][td]431[/td][td]5.1[/td][td]215.5[/td][td]3[/td][td]2[/td][td]26[/td][td]30.6[/td][td]22[/td][td]2[/td][td]0[/td][td]7[/td][td]74.2[/td][/tr][tr][td]6[/td][td]Matthew Stafford[/td][td]DET[/td][td]QB[/td][td]51[/td][td]83[/td][td]61.4[/td][td]41.5[/td][td]532[/td][td]6.4[/td][td]266.0[/td][td]4[/td][td]3[/td][td]29[/td][td]34.9[/td][td]36[/td][td]4[/td][td]0[/td][td]2[/td][td]81.0[/td][/tr][/table][table][tr][td]7[/td][td]Matt Ryan[/td][td]ATL[/td][td]QB[/td][td]53[/td][td]80[/td][td]66.3[/td][td]40.0[/td][td]661[/td][td]8.3[/td][td]330.5[/td][td]3[/td][td]2[/td][td]35[/td][td]43.8[/td][td]44[/td][td]8[/td][td]2[/td][td]3[/td][td]93.8[/td][/tr][/table]
QB's throwing 40+ times a game this season so far... 

 

[rolaholic]

 

[dmxfury]

Cmon now DSA


TB12's start :x

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Peyton with 5.1 YPC. :x

Nationwide your arm just died.

 

[proshares]

He's gonna hit DT on some long plays that started as screens Sunday night and the notion will be that he's fixed

 

[dland24]

Peyton with 5.1 YPC.

Nationwide your arm just died.

Peyton's YPC is 8.6

 

[mister friendly]

Turnovers are basically the worse thing a offensive player can do.

They are more of total stat than a percentage stat, you don't get excuses for more pass attempts or rushes.

Also what about Andrew Lucks 4.6 interception pct in the playoffs or 13 turnovers in 6 playoff games?

*waits for the usual excuses....defense, coaching, scheme or being down.

Look everybody from his own coach, players, analysts and the lay fans have said he needs to cut down on his turnovers but this dude is laying every excuse in book for him.

 

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Peyton has a rushing attempt? 

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Peyton with 5.1 YPC. :x


Nationwide your arm just died.

Peyton's YPC is 8.6

I was looking at the wrong number. Whoops!

 

[dland24]

 

 

Peyton with 5.1 YPC.

Nationwide your arm just died.

Peyton's YPC is 8.6

I was looking at the wrong number. Whoops!

Yep.  All good.  Regardless, both his YPA or YPC are pathetic so far.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

I really hope he can turn it around and he's just shaking off the rust these first few games. Denver's defense looks incredible but their running game is pitiful.

Peyton needs to go out on top.

 

[CP1708]

Turnovers are basically the worse thing a offensive player can do.

They are more of total stat than a percentage stat, you don't get excuses for more pass attempts or rushes.

Also what about Andrew Lucks 4.6 interception pct in the playoffs or 13 turnovers in 6 playoff games?

*waits for the usual excuses....defense, coaching, scheme or being down.

Look everybody from his own coach, players, analysts and the lay fans have said he needs to cut down on his turnovers but this dude is laying every excuse in book for him.

So if a QB attempts 20 passes with 1 pick

It's the same as a QB attempting 40 passes with 1 pick.

That is your contention? This is where you stand? Yes or no.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Montana, Young, Elway, Favre, Kelly, Marino, Ben, Eli, Aikman

All turn it over more than Luck.

"Winning football"

Remember passing stats are inflated now.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Montana, Young, Elway, Favre, Kelly, Marino, Ben, Eli, Aikman

All turn it over more than Luck.

"Winning football"

Remember passing stats are inflated now.

The only three QBs to throw for 35+ touchdowns and win a SB in the same season are from the 1990s tho.

 

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Montana, Young, Elway, Favre, Kelly, Marino, Ben, Eli, Aikman

All turn it over more than Luck.

"Winning football"

Remember passing stats are inflated now.

Lower INT% than Brees, Peyton, Ben, Romo, Rivers, Stafford, Cam, etc.