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post #4891 of 4925
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if that's caring, well OK
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Has Ryan Tannehill won in Buffalo?

No never

Put his $&@ on IR
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21) Joe Flacco, Baltimore Ravens (2015: 18)

22) Trevor Siemian, Denver Broncos (2015: N/A)

23) Eli Manning, New York Giants (2015: 12)

24) Ryan Tannehill, Miami Dolphins (2015: 26)

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Luck at 4. happy.gif
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Russell Wilson tonight nerd.gif
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post #4897 of 4925
Garbage time.
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post #4898 of 4925
Got his Bortles on, basically
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post #4899 of 4925
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Russell is a really good QB.
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He's just a winner. Can't teach that.
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post #4901 of 4925
Well, not sure if I learned anything here..... Ryan was 28-3 away from making it 9 Super Bowl winning QB's the last 9 years.

Ryan
Peyton
Brady
Russ
Flacco
Eli
Rodgers
Brees
Ben

But now it's 8 QB's in 9 years as Brady came back.

Ryan had an unbelievable year, and a perfect passer rating midway thru the 4th, and honestly, after the Julio catch, a FG was there for them.

That's a haunting loss.

Brady has pretty much ended all debate, ever as to greatest QB career in NFL history. He has all the postseason records, all the SB records, ton of regular season numbers (and still counting) wins, variations of offenses around him, everything.

If he plays 2-3-4 more years, Jesus at what his total numbers are gonna look like. sick.gifmean.gifpimp.gif
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post #4902 of 4925
I can't stand the Pats, but I have to respect their greatness as a franchise and Brady is GOAT over my previous GOAT Montana.
post #4903 of 4925
Brady has finally proven that he can win without cheating. If he can give me another two or three clean rings, I'll gladly put him in my top 5.
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post #4904 of 4925
Matt Ryan threw for more yards per attempt, higher completion percentage, fewer interceptions, and a higher QB rating by 50 points, same amount of sacks as Brady, and lost.

Sheesh.
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On the Edelman catch, which Falcon should have had that, the first tip? Anyone have a still of it?????
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post #4906 of 4925
Brady even gets to throw on the goaline and get away with it!!

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On the Edelman catch, which Falcon should have had that, the first tip? Anyone have a still of it?????

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On the Edelman catch, which Falcon should have had that, the first tip? Anyone have a still of it?????

Robert Alford

Yup, watchin it now.

2:25, ball hits BOTH hands of the DB, somehow miraculously caught by Edelman.

That was a pick by Brady, that wasn't picked. SB MVP. Crazy.

QB is everything tho. pimp.gif
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On the Edelman catch, which Falcon should have had that, the first tip? Anyone have a still of it?????

Robert Alford

Yup, watchin it now.

2:25, ball hits BOTH hands of the DB, somehow miraculously caught by Edelman.

That was a pick by Brady, that wasn't picked. SB MVP. Crazy.

QB is everything tho. pimp.gif

about time Brady ended up on the right side of one those whacky catches laugh.gif
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Brady
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post #4912 of 4925
I wonder how much gratitude Belichick has towards Brady?

A sub par coaching record to 11 AFC Championship games,7 Super Bowls, 5 Super Bowl Championships with one guy.

To the world you may be one person but you may mean the world to one person.
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Tom Brady beat the NFL MVP in the playoffs in 4 of his 5 Super Bowl titles.

like i said in my mini manifesto rant...keep your "prototypes" and regular season kings.
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To the world you may be one person but you may mean the world to one person.

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To the world you may be one person but you may mean the world to one person.

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The quote is a good one, but it absolutely does not apply in this situation.  I am not a Tom Brady fan, in spite of his parents living down the street from me......but you can bet your *** that Tom Brady is not viewed as just one person to the world.

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Elway 1
Peyton 1
Luck 1
Aikman 1
Eli 1
Cam 1
Simms 7
Stafford 1
Testaverde 1
George 1
Palmer 1
Bledsoe 1
Ryan 3
McNair 3
Collins 5
Rivers 4
McNabbb 2
Winston 1
Mariota 2
Vick 1
Tannehill 8
Alex Smith 1
Bradford 1
Couch 1
Akili Smith 3
RG3 2
Bortles 3
Leftwich 7
Leaf 2
Mirer 3
Young 3
Russell 1
Locker 8
Carr 1
Harrington 3
Everett 3
Shuler 3
Dilfer 6
Goff 1
Wentz 2


Two different lists. All of the teams, that over the years have climbed all over one another to draft a QB early cuz "gotta have a franchise quarterback" and then a list of QB's that were taken mid to late first round, and the rounds beyond. (or supp drafts)
The irony I find, of thee most successful of the Top picks, Elway and Peyton, 3 of their 4 Super Bowls came at the end of their careers, when they were no longer franchise QB's. Elway winning his at 37-38 with TD doin the work, and Peyton his last year with that defense.
Aikman and Eli, clearly did not win their SB's on their own, tho they didn't hurt their teams either. They did what you ask of the position, be steady, be smart, don't turn the ball over, let the other guys do their jobs.

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Brady 6th
Montana 3rd
Rodgers 1st rd 24th
Marino 1st rd 27th
Favre 2nd
Brees 2nd
Warner UDFA
Romo UDFA
Moon UDFA
Ben 1st rd 11th
Young Supp Draft
Kosar Supp Draft
Kelly 1st rd 14th
Esiason 2nd
Carr 2nd
Cunningham 2nd
Dalton 2nd
Wilson 3rd
Flacco 1st rd 18th
Teddy B 1st rd 32nd
Cousins 4th
Gannon 4th
Dak 4th
Bulger 6th
Brunell 5th
Tyrod 6th
Cutler 1st rd 11th
Culpepper 1st rd 11th
Pennington 1st rd 18th

Just from glancing over the lists, it certainly seems like the better path is taking QB's later than the Top 10, no? The all important, gotta have position, trade anything and everything to get one, yet, history seems to show that you're better off balancing your team, and adding the QB later, and let them succeed that way.

This isn't a be all end all, it's just some homework I did and split the list out a lil bit and tried to see if there was anything that stood out. I'm sure I probably forgot a couple QB's over the years that could go on either list, but these seem to be the main ones worth going over.

Nothin to discuss, just postin it in here for safe keeping.
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^ yeah that point is well taken. can't sacrifice the balance of the team for what people think is the only focal point. getting a franchise guy is great, but sacrificing everything for him rarely works.
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post #4918 of 4925
Young and Kozar were high 1st round picks relatively.

Also the 2nd list is deceptive or incomplete because it's picks the best quarterbacks and ignores the busts while the 1st list includes them.
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@CP1708 bottom line is, drafting QBs is a crapshoot.  However, if you want better odds of your QB not busting, then draft him in the 1st or 2nd rounds.  Drafting a QB any later than that and him turning out to be a franchise QB has about the same odds of winning the Powerball.

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Young and Kozar were high 1st round picks relatively.

Also the 2nd list is deceptive or incomplete because it's picks the best quarterbacks and ignores the busts while the 1st list includes them.

What the hell is a 2nd, 3rd, 4th round bust? laugh.gifroll.gif

Deceptive.

The list is right in your face. Pretty obviously, the second list has the better QB's thru history, all taken outside the Top 10 of the NFL draft since that position became the be all end all it's claimed to be. You could go thru the 70's if you want and try to adjust the settings, but it really isn't gonna change anything given how much of a run heavy era those QB's played, not to mention someone like Bradshaw having Franco Harris, and the steel curtain as pretty solid reasons for his success. He certainly wouldn't add much in the passing acumen compared to the QB's of the last 30 years.


You get picked in the Top 10 of the NFL Draft, you're supposed to be the face of the franchise, a "franchise" QB, etc.

You get picked in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round as a QB, you aren't supposed to be ****. Go name all the "busts" you want, doesn't change the top of either list, and it's pretty damn clear which one is better.


"relatively" Dude talkin about deceptive, but wants to include Young and Kosar as "relatively" high first round picks. laugh.gif
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