Florida jury awards $23.6 billion to widow in smoking lawsuit

Bonez7 said:
Exactly my point u made...

So why wud they rush to cure these things that are helping them control it?

There's a difference between theory and fact and you can't distinguish whether what I'm saying or others are saying are facts cause you're a normal citizens not on the front of the line

Does it sound paranoid? Sure, but I never said it's fact its just a common theory belief that I and many many others believe
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What? :lol: You said that "THEY" are keeping the cure from us for population control. I explained that with how fast the population is growing its seems pretty damn futile when aids and cancer don't seem to be doing the trick. How does that make you point? Like dude said if they wanted population control then they would let MERS and SARS and the flu take care of business.

You understand why you argument doesn't weight right? You understand the same things you have invalidate my argument invalidates yours?

You could say Atlantis is real, I could say no its not. I would say their is no proof it exists, you say but theres no proof that it didn't exist.

By your logic and reasoning you can make any claim and as long as its too complex or grand to disprove, then it must be true.

There's a difference between theory and fact and you can't distinguish whether what I'm saying or others are saying are facts cause you're a normal citizens not on the front of the line
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And what would that make you again? You on the frontline of the global conspiracy to give the world cancer and aids?
 
knowledgebones72 said:
Back in those days, there was ignorance though.

Ya'll are forgetting that up until the '90s tobacco companies were putting alot of money into making sure people DIDN'T know smoking was bad for you.

We have all this information now, and it seems so obvious, but before the '90s all that information was purposefully hidden and kept out of public knowledge.
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I knew damn well in the 90s that smokin was bad. Truly no excuse after the 70s

Boris said:
It amazes me that smoking is still legal. 
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Been wondering since I was a kid. Then i realized.... whites with money can't do no wrong

Freeze said:
bro when I saw somebody sue McDonalds for making them fat...and win...I knew we were headed to the end of days. I'm finna sue the internet for making me look at all this sinful porn.
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:lol: :x

mivish06 said:
How much? :x

Sometimes I wonder why people choose to smoke in the first place...it's like, do you want to die sooner? or...
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There are quicker ways to die
 
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Law3001 said:
What? :lol: You said that "THEY" are keeping the cure from us for population control. I explained that with how fast the population is growing its seems pretty damn futile when aids and cancer don't seem to be doing the trick. How does that make you point? Like dude said if they wanted population control then they would let MERS and SARS and the flu take care of business.

You understand why you argument doesn't weight right? You understand the same things you have invalidate my argument invalidates yours?

You could say Atlantis is real, I could say no its not. I would say their is no proof it exists, you say but theres no proof that it didn't exist.

By your logic and reasoning you can make any claim and as long as its too complex or grand to disprove, then it must be true.
And what would that make you again? You on the frontline of the global conspiracy to give the world cancer and aids?
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That's what I'm saying.. I can be just as right as yall are..I'm talking about mine and others theory,and beliefs are just as much the same theory and beliefs as what yall are saying cause neither is fact..

They either have it or with research they can get there but I'm saying there in no rush to because of over population.. And they need to keep money rolling in so therfore there's treatment and vaccines instead of cures which would just be one shot or med abd boom no more money no more needing scripts... Treatment and vaccines are continually which is still profitable, cures are a one time shot then boom your cured nomore money rolling in

My thoughts on that are not clear cut cause it's all speculation,but I no its more than meets the eye I refuse to believe what they throw in front of us and expect us to believe.. The fda is a buisness a big buisness
 
sunshineblotters said:
I knew damn well in the 90s that smokin was bad.
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so did most people who were honest with themselves


a family member of mine died of emphysema in the mid-'80's when i was a kid...
my parents used this to re-enforce how bad smoking was for your health...even showing me an essay my sister wrote about my relative a few years previous in the early-'80's (he had a long drive-way and she wrote how he had to drive his car down to the end just to check the mail cause he couldn't even walk it anymore)

and my father quit smoking in the '70's when my parents had kids as it was common knowledge at that time (that smoking was bad for your health & others)

it's been known for generations now, before this widow's husband was even born
just like people have known for many years that alcohol can rot your liver or cause bad health problems
 
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green rhino123 said:
so did most people who were honest with themselves


a family member of mine died of emphysema in the mid-'80's when i was a kid...
my parents used this to re-enforce how bad smoking was for your health...even showing me an essay my sister wrote about my relative a few years previous in the early-'80's (he had a long drive-way and she wrote how he had to drive his car down to the end just to check the mail cause he couldn't even walk it anymore)

and my father quit smoking in the '70's when my parents had kids as it was common knowledge at that time (that smoking was bad for your health & others)

it's been known for generations now, before this widow's husband was even born
just like people have known for many years that alcohol can rot your liver or cause bad health problems
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people used to deny this 0.0
At least with tobacco you can say it grows that way so naturally "blah blah blah". Considering the way alcohol is made and how it is used when it is not made to drink, it shouldve been known from the get go that its a poison.

Didnt know people knew smoking was bad for that long tho. Thought awareness came from the early 70s.

Still tho. It baffles me that this is legal, alcohol was "only" illegal 13 years, but pot has been illegal for 77 years and counting on a federal level. Ohh well, it being illegal made a bunch of my friends a decent amount of money when we were young(er).


Still, gotta thank the idiots smoking cigs for their contribution to society
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Look into the pricing of Sovaldi. Drug cures you but you need a mortgage basically for it. This is a business first and foremost.
 
sunshineblotters said:
Considering the way alcohol is made and how it is used when it is not made to drink, it shouldve been known from the get go that its a poison.
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even tho i don't drink - i've seriously considered the idea of consuming in moderation or more like just every now and then strictly for possible health benefits
but i've yet to be fully convinced (to do so)
 
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No way she's getting even close to that.. BILLION???

1)The Money is taxed
2) They will appeal that amount and she will probably get something more in the millions.
 
They will never kill tobacco companies with lawsuit to much money and jobs in the pipeline that benefit
Lawyers who prosecute and defend the companies
Doctors who treat people for cancer and debunk the myth of smoking
Advertising companies who condemn or promote the product

Rick fox wins either way
 
green rhino123 said:
even tho i don't drink - i've seriously considered the idea of consuming in moderation or more like just every now and then strictly for possible health benefits
but i've yet to be fully convinced (to do so)
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Studies show you live longer with a drink or two a day. Most people are convinced it is red wine only but that aint the case if that helps. Me I dont plan on living too long. binge drinking or nada.

SoLeCiTy said:
No way she's getting even close to that.. BILLION???

1)The Money is taxed
2) They will appeal that amount and she will probably get something more in the millions.
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This may be in pooor taste but if they appeal and she dies before the appeal is set will they not have to pay any money
 
Couple thoughts: I work in a hospital and we have to give smoking cessation per policy VERBALLY and WRITTEN upon hospital admission, during the hospital stay, and upon discharge.

If Obama is diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer in his liver, brain, bones, prostate. He's dead. Don't matter how much money you have, what treatments you can afford, dead. The most common therapy for Cancer is Chemo/Radiation, these treatments kill EVERYTHING. You can localize the treatments with radioactive implants that basically localize the destruction.

The idea that  there is a cure for cancer and it can only be provided to the rich/wealthy/powerful is silly. 
 
^There is more money in treatment than a cure. Are you immeasurably wealthy yourself. If there is a cure I guarantee no one on these boards know about it.
 
sunshineblotters said:
^There is more money in treatment than a cure. Are you immeasurably wealthy yourself. If there is a cure I guarantee no one on these boards know about it.
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I am not immeasurably wealthy myself. I cannot guarantee there isn't a cure, nor can you guarantee there is a cure for cancer. We'll agree to disagree.

If there was a cure, pharm could take the avg price of cancer treatment, charge 100,000 more than the avg price of cancer treatment, and sell the cure for that amount. 

Studies are conducted everyday for cancer cures/treatments and are published in medical journals DAILY. All treatments go through phases that need to be passed by the FDA before it can be released into the market. We will know of a cure or the optimism/potential for a cure before pharm can officially make it a drug.

I have no hard proof that there is not a cure, conspiracy theory on
 
Some cures have been found by complete accidents. You know this and I know this. Someone with the cure could be telling you less than they actually know.

Not saying there is a cure. But at the same time there is no way to guarantee there isnt (as you yourself just said)
 
sunshineblotters said:
Some cures have been found by complete accidents. You know this and I know this. Someone with the cure could be telling you less than they actually know.

Not saying there is a cure. But at the same time there is no way to guarantee there isnt (as you yourself just said)
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 Some cures have been found by accident. But most have been found by research and intent on the cure. There are several pharm companies, not just one "big pharm" if a small company finds the cure for cancer, they're going to sell it to the public and make trillions. Let's say that this company doesn't sell chemo/radiation (very likely) so there is no reason to not release the cure. It is in there benefit to sell the cure and profit as much as possible because they have no stake in the treatment of cancer, but have all their stake in the cure for cancer. This hypothetical company would explode in terms of profit. There are several big companies that would want the patent for the cure for cancer as well. They would be the only company to be able to sell the cure for cancer, thus immense profits. Big pharm is greedy and selfish, but it's not an alliance. 
 
lol... these people think the world is one single group with one single goal...

if one company found a cure... they would patent and make money off it rather than wait around til their competition finds it and patents it first
 
Pdino said:
Couple thoughts: I work in a hospital and we have to give smoking cessation per policy VERBALLY and WRITTEN upon hospital admission, during the hospital stay, and upon discharge.

If Obama is diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer in his liver, brain, bones, prostate. He's dead. Don't matter how much money you have, what treatments you can afford, dead. The most common therapy for Cancer is Chemo/Radiation, these treatments kill EVERYTHING. You can localize the treatments with radioactive implants that basically localize the destruction.

The idea that  there is a cure for cancer and it can only be provided to the rich/wealthy/powerful is silly. 
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Well doesn't this suck ... being that my mom is at stage 4 and on chemo.
 
heLiumcLinton said:
Well doesn't this suck ... being that my mom is at stage 4 and on chemo.
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My mom passed of breast cancer that metastasized to her bones/brain when I was a boy. My mom survived the breast cancer with chemo/radiation. On her last check-up to be completely clear of cancer, they found it stage IV.  The insurance was maxed out, at the time my dad took out all the equity in the house to pay for the bills. I legitimately feel for you. It feels like cancer only gets good people.

your in my thoughts and prayers Fam
 
CreateDestroy said:
lol... these people think the world is one single group with one single goal...

if one company found a cure... they would patent and make money off it rather than wait around til their competition finds it and patents it first
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Finding a cure don't mean nothing....

It's getting it approved that's the catch...

The fda takes it off there hands and studies it more then boom cure denied due to "long term side affects that they discovered only in "their lab""

When cures are found u think these pharmaceutical companies wouldn't pay for them?? get real this is a multi billion dollar buisness..

Don't b naive
 
Pdino said:
I am not immeasurably wealthy myself. I cannot guarantee there isn't a cure, nor can you guarantee there is a cure for cancer. We'll agree to disagree.

If there was a cure, pharm could take the avg price of cancer treatment, charge 100,000 more than the avg price of cancer treatment, and sell the cure for that amount. 

Studies are conducted everyday for cancer cures/treatments and are published in medical journals DAILY. All treatments go through phases that need to be passed by the FDA before it can be released into the market. We will know of a cure or the optimism/potential for a cure before pharm can officially make it a drug.

I have no hard proof that there is not a cure, conspiracy theory on
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And for that reason and that reason alone it truly doesn't matter if any company finds 50 cures..the fda is a buisnes..what's the bottonline in buisness? Make money...
 
Tetralogic Pharmaceuticals is rumored to have a treatment that targets the cancer cells causing them to self-destruct. Still has to go through the motions and get approved though.
 
Bonez7 said:
And for that reason and that reason alone it truly doesn't matter if any company finds 50 cures..the fda is a buisnes..what's the bottonline in buisness? Make money...
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"FDA is responsible for protecting the public health by assuring the safety, efficacy and security of human and veterinary drugs, biological products, medical devices, our nation's food supply, cosmetics, and products that emit radiation." 

The FDA is a Government company, their goal is not to make money. They regulate food and drugs.

Our FDA is highly criticized because how slow they move. The FDA responds that they need more funding to move faster. FDA is not a public business that produces revenue. If they find 50 cures, the FDA does not make money. 

The implication you are assuming now is that our government does not want to release the cure for cancer, or keeps them on hold because they want to make more money. If the FDA finds a cure for cancer, the U.S pharm company patents it, then everyone in the world is buying the cure for cancer from the U.S.

What's the bottomline in business? Make money.
 
Pdino said:
"FDA is responsible for protecting the public health by assuring the safety, efficacy and security of human and veterinary drugs, biological products, medical devices, our nation's food supply, cosmetics, and products that emit radiation." 

The FDA is a Government company, their goal is not to make money. They regulate food and drugs.

Our FDA is highly criticized because how slow they move. The FDA responds that they need more funding to move faster. FDA is not a public business that produces revenue. If they find 50 cures, the FDA does not make money. 

The implication you are assuming now is that our government does not want to release the cure for cancer, or keeps them on hold because they want to make more money. If the FDA finds a cure for cancer, the U.S pharm company patents it, then everyone in the world is buying the cure for cancer from the U.S.

What's the bottomline in business? Make money.
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How do you know this? Cause you read this crap?

Who's in charge there? Nobody it's all people layered by more people noone answers for them..

The fda has its own patents on things one of those things being they have the first EVER PATENT ON CANNABOIDS BUT AT THE SAME TIME CLAIM THERES NO MEDICINAL VALUE IN cannibus that doesn't raise suspicion in you? Why they patent if there not out to use something? It's called to block others from doing so and profiting ... The fda is the government... Your telling me the government doesnt make money? Tge fda doesn't make money? Who pay all these officials and spokesperson and lab technicians? The government /fda does cause there a buisness and they make money...

You read what they put on the table for you to read and thats people's problem they think everybody is the same..wrong! Think outside the box and thats,where truth lies..

You claiming what you read is. True doesn't prove anything cause u read it which makes it theory not fact just like what I'm saying as well is classified as theory...bit the undisputed fact is theres no proof that they don't profit..you believing your governments words are funny me not believing them is realistic..

Why the heck would they want to sell cancer cures? They will be hundreds of thousands of dollars which is not realistically affordable for most...
Hiv especially... One shot and boom cured equals nomore Reup money on pills..if you think cures are more profitable than pills and treatments I'm wasting my time your blinded by society
 
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