Homeowner shoots intruder who was not pregnant...

If that was me... the Semi-Auto rifles would have been used and I would have unloaded the entire clip at the suspects. Pregnant, underage, drunk, mental illness, whatever... you break into my property, expect the consequences. Plus guy was 80, he can easily get off with some type of medical illness plea. Very doubtful a court of law would actually prosecute an elderly man with multiple medical issues. especially if the woman had priors.
 
@StillIn729 maybe you addressed this and I simply missed it, but I don't see the point of saying if it was your grandfather, would you feel the same.



Also to the second quote, what if you were oblivious to your girl's behavior and she robbed a house and got killed like this lady did? You would disassociate yourself from her, right? That's why I'm confused about your first point about the grandfather. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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c'mon you don't think I would know if my girlfriend was robbing houses? :lol:

I brought up the grandfather aspect because people were saying he should be convicted; if he is your grandfather, law bidding citizen and he gets robbed by the same people over and over think about it.

The dude had enough; they robbed his house at least a couple times before this happened, they could be the reason he went and got a gun for all we know.
 
You don't get to be a vigilante because you're old

He took it too far and should see the inside of a jail cell for his remaining years
 
You break into someone's house, you run the risk of whatever potential bad thing happening to you that can happen during the break in or the escape.

I know someone like frank matthews on this board will paint the shooter as barbaric and not valuing that ladies life. But to be real, if you break into someone's house knowing the potential risks if things go bad, how much do you value your own life to begin with? Especially if your pregnant. Your not forced to break in a persons house either.

Good job by the old man as well. My only regret is that he wasn't able to get both of the robbers.
 
How does this constitute vigilantism when he was assaulted seconds before shooting?
 
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SunDOOBIE said:
If that was me... the Semi-Auto rifles would have been used and I would have unloaded the entire clip at the suspects. Pregnant, underage, drunk, mental illness, whatever... you break into my property, expect the consequences. Plus guy was 80, he can easily get off with some type of medical illness plea. Very doubtful a court of law would actually prosecute an elderly man with multiple medical issues. especially if the woman had priors.
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Always easy to say on an internet forum...
 
oidreez said:
SunDOOBIE said:
If that was me... the Semi-Auto rifles would have been used and I would have unloaded the entire clip at the suspects. Pregnant, underage, drunk, mental illness, whatever... you break into my property, expect the consequences. Plus guy was 80, he can easily get off with some type of medical illness plea. Very doubtful a court of law would actually prosecute an elderly man with multiple medical issues. especially if the woman had priors.
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Always easy to say on an internet forum...
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Shut up man.
 
basically, dude is going to have a long time to think about this in prison.

Generally, once someone retreats, your no longer in imminent threat of serious bodily harm, so self defense is no longer applicable.

Will probably be convicted of manslaughter, this just doesn't meet the definition of murder
 
Seeing as they had victimized him repeatedly, combined with the fact that he's already 80 years old. I completely understand why he wanted their blood when he caught them. Hee not really gonna take an L cause he already lived his life. I would have done the same.

As far as the law, he will probably plead to a manslaughter charge and serve no time due to age and condition. This is completely different than trayvon Martin's situation
 
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oidreez said:
SunDOOBIE said:
If that was me... the Semi-Auto rifles would have been used and I would have unloaded the entire clip at the suspects. Pregnant, underage, drunk, mental illness, whatever... you break into my property, expect the consequences. Plus guy was 80, he can easily get off with some type of medical illness plea. Very doubtful a court of law would actually prosecute an elderly man with multiple medical issues. especially if the woman had priors.
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Always easy to say on an internet forum...
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Shut up man.
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Calm down. It's always easy to say "im gonna blow any living beings head off who intrudes in my house". You want a cookie? Internet warriors i swear
 
JJs07 said:
How does this constitute vigilantism when he was assaulted seconds before shooting?
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He took the law into his own hands and decided to execute a criminal what else would you call it?

Self defense went out the window the moment he had already shot her and she was laying on the ground pleading for her life
 
This hits close to home (literally). My parents live a couple of blocks away from this incident. Our neighborhood is constantly being targeted by burglars. My parents bought home security 2 years ago because of this.

The two who attacked the old guy probably scooped out his house to know that he lives alone and that they can probably take him on. What they probably didn't account for is that he had a gun, which is a good enough reason to run away.

Now imagine your adrenaline at an all time high, probably scared and you've just been attacked. Hell, I might have done the same thing. Also as an 80-year old man, I'm not sure if I can aim and shoot a woman on her leg to immobilize her. He even admits it's the first time he's ever shot and killed anyone.

I feel for this dude. I have little to no sympathy for the man or the woman. Maybe for the alleged baby.

Perhaps the old guy should get punished, but not severely such as for murder. As someone mentioned already in this thread, a slap on the wrist and a reduced sentence to house arrest should suffice.
 
I'm pretty certain that old man isn't doing a day in prison.

On another note, I see nothing wrong with shooting an intruder in the back while their escaping. It could potentially end in things going bad if they realize your strapped initially. Wait til they escape, get a clean shot in the back and then either let law enforcement handle it or if you feel outraged that someone disrespected you and your house like that then finish the job off yourself. That's how it would work in an ideal world.
 
Just to be clear...

Mr Greer, who required hospital treatment for injuries to his shoulder, told NBC that the same couple had robbed him on two previous occasions.
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StillIn729 said:
 
@StillIn729 maybe you addressed this and I simply missed it, but I don't see the point of saying if it was your grandfather, would you feel the same.



Also to the second quote, what if you were oblivious to your girl's behavior and she robbed a house and got killed like this lady did? You would disassociate yourself from her, right? That's why I'm confused about your first point about the grandfather. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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c'mon you don't think I would know if my girlfriend was robbing houses?
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I brought up the grandfather aspect because people were saying he should be convicted; if he is your grandfather, law bidding citizen and he gets robbed by the same people over and over think about it.

The dude had enough; they robbed his house at least a couple times before this happened, they could be the reason he went and got a gun for all we know.
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To the bold: that is not the point. Just like your what if scenario, I was just asking another what if scenario that is related to it. The fact you said that you wouldn't be associated with them to begin with is what made me wonder.

I'm sure your girlfriend is a great lady, and I don't doubt that. I've read your stories about your ex-gfs, so hopefully she's the one 
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And thanks for the explanation about the grandfather part. Literally the only thing I would disagree with is "law bidding citizen," ONLY if, in fact, he pursued the woman outside of his home premises. That's illegal in California. Self-defense is no longer applicable.
 
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oh yea because nobody's ever lied to cover their ***

"oh it was the same people" PROVE IT



the woman fell after being struck by Greer's gunfire in an alley behind the house.

"She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant! I'm going to have a baby!' And I shot her anyway," Greer said.
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Yea that definitely sounds like a man in fear for his life

This man was pissed and rightfully so but that doesn't mean you get to decide who lives or dies
 
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JJs07 said:
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oh yea because nobody's ever lied to cover their ***

"oh it was the same people" PROVE IT



the woman fell after being struck by Greer's gunfire in an alley behind the house.

"She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant! I'm going to have a baby!' And I shot her anyway," Greer said.
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Yea that definitely sounds like a man in fear for his life

This man was pissed and rightfully so but that doesn't mean you get to decide who lives or dies
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We'll just ignore the fact that neighbors have been corroborating his story....but, let's just go with the angle that maybe he lured two random people into his house to practice his shooting...

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heliumclinton heliumclinton , post 222. (No rick ross)
 
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All he had to do was hold them at gun point and call the cops.

If they run, pop dude in the leg and tell the woman it's not worth losing/risking the baby.
 
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