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She was already shot and wounded . . . threat was neutralized . . . should have called the cops and let them cook . . . Lock his old *** up
Homeowner shoots intruder who was not pregnant...
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Especially if they were junkies.
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That's a risk you take breaking into houses.
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This story is all bad.. But man the baby would've been raised in a ****** up environment 
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Those low lives caused a issue that could've been avoided. U break in my **** imma go Rambo on yo ***
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Let's talk facts he didn't need to kill her
The answer is yes
He still didn't need to kill her, fact.
They all for killing somebody until it's the other way around then it's all "he only stole a bag of chips he shouldn't of got shot for that"
foh dude shot her once realized she was still alive and shot her again, not even on his property.
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Should he or should he not have killed her is debatable. I got no sympathy for her because her actions caused the death. She was hard when she was breaking into the old mans house and had no sympathy for him but wanted to cop pleas when the tables turned. Hell they probably don't even attempt that house if they think he's strapped. If people want to think he went to far, that's fine with me though as well.
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It's crazy how dudes on here have no compassion for human life... smh! A lot of you dudes on here aren't killing no one anyone. Y'all some of the same cats who report dudes for posting "nasty" pictures. Ex.... that finger pic....Anyway, was she wrong? Yes! Was the first shot deserving? Yes! Did she and her baby ( if she was pregnant) deserve to be executed? No...The way the old dude bragged about killing her makes him just as much as "scum" as her. I've never had someone break into my house, I have had someone break into my car though. I felt violated and disrespected. But, I never once had a thought that I would've killed that person if I saw them. Beat them up badly and call the cops, absolutely. The old dude shooting her the first time was equivalent to a younger person beating up a person imo. Dude deserves to go to jail just for killing the baby... if she truly was pregnant. My issue isn't him killing her, it's him killing her execution style. That's what bothers me.
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gramps is cruel as hell
damn
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On another note. I remember in the prank video thread, people were saying "they need to stop doing that before they get killed" as if to imply that messing with the wrong person and playing a stupid prank on them warranted them getting killed via beaten to death or shot to death despite them being unarmed and harmless (For the record, some of those pranks were over the top and warranted a beatdown).
On the other hand, you have a young lady who does something way worse and way more dangerous then a prank and when she gets dealt with its all of a sudden, "the old man took it too far"
We had a ny daily news article talking about these pranks might get someone killed as if that's an acceptable reaction when the pranker is unarmed and harmless but killing a robber is unwarranted?
On the other hand, you have a young lady who does something way worse and way more dangerous then a prank and when she gets dealt with its all of a sudden, "the old man took it too far"
We had a ny daily news article talking about these pranks might get someone killed as if that's an acceptable reaction when the pranker is unarmed and harmless but killing a robber is unwarranted?
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The only thing that may stop him from going to jail is the age factor... I agree that you should have the right to defend yourself from intruders... but once they are making an attempt to escape the law is going to say that he was not in any danger so should not have fired the gun... i looked into this after watching the movie felon
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/thread
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It baffles me that y'all think it's ok to take a person's life. The hell we have laws for? Let's just kill anyone who does something wrong.
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Thanks for reaching but nobody said anything like this.
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It baffles me how you wouldn't kill someone that came into your house to kill you.
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Analysis:
In order for Gran Tarino's self defense claim to survive, Gran Tarino would have to prove he was under imminent peril, justifying his use of deadly force. Bonnie and Clyde forcibly entered Gran Tarino's home to commit burglary, a forcible and atrocious crime. Under california penal code 198.5, Gran Tarino is presumed to have been in imminent peril when Bonnie and Clyde entered his home with the intent to commit burglary. The burden is now on the State to prove that he was no longer in imminent danger when he used deadly force.
The code refers to residence, however, it is silent as to how far residence reaches. Under the facts, Gran Tarino shot Bonnie and Clyde outside of his home, specifically in the alley in back of his home. Our best guidence as to the reach of "residence" can be best charactorized by "curtilage" used by law enforcement under search and seizure law. Under search and seizure, curtilage extends to any point a reasonable person would believe to be his residence, in relation to his home. The alley behind ones house is often used by the home owners to park cars, home owners routinely expel people from the alley behind their home for their exclusive use, home owners notoriously hold the alley behind their house to be their property, granting the public an implied right of way. Under these facts, we may assume the alley behind Gran Tarino's home was part of his residence, thus falling under 198.5, giving him the presumption of imminent peril.
While it is true Bonnie was on the ground when he fired, she was not incapacitated and Clyde was still near enough to cause Gran Tarino harm, had he wished to do so. Under the circumstances, Bonnie and Clyde had just broken into his home, for a second time, they had physically assualted Gran Tarino and, had a reputation for just such acts. The facts are silent as to whether Bonnie and Clyde had a weapon, ,but under 198.5, being in danger itself is enough to meet the presumption of imminent peril. I believe the State would have a hard time proving that the still conscious, Bonnie and the fleet of foot Clyde were not of any danger to the elderly Gran Tarino. The state may argue Gran Tarino's weapon and position gave him control of the situation, however, because Clyde was nearby, the imminent threat was on going, despite Gran Tarino's position of control over Bonnie.
Further, under the doctrine of imperfect self defense, allthough he was not actually in danger, because of Clyde's proximity and the recent burglary; along with Bonnie being unrestrained, it is reasonable to believe Gran Tarino was still under imminent peril. Under the doctrine of imperfect self-defense, Gran Tarino's subjective belief of imminent danger is enough to raise to the level of imperfect self defense.
Lastly, the State may say he had a duty to retreat. It is clear from the facts, Bonnie, the assailant, had endevored to to decline any further struggle. The majority rule would state that all parties in a criminal enterprise are responsible for any action resulting from that struggle. Because Clyde, her accomplice, was still on the scene, the struggle was on going; unless both Bonnie and Clyde expressed wishes to no longer be in a struggle.
In conclusion, because Gran Tarino is presumed to have been in imminent peril when Bonnie and Clyde forcibly and atrociously entered his home, the court should find Gran Tarino was justified in using deadly force against Bonnie, while on his residence, during the commencing of a burglary.
*Shine deez.
*On a serious note, after reading more about the case, if he gets off I'll be very upset. I didn't really have an opinion until a re-read the article and saw that he shot her point blank, while a jury may find he was actually in danger, honestly he probably had control of the situation. Voluntary Manslaughter is what I would be settle for, maybe 7 years, 2 w/good behavior.
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How you going to go two deep to rob an 80 year old man as well. That's week. The dude by himself should've easily been able to handle him.
Fair ones don't exist anymore but I don't expect honor from anyone with the gall to break in and rob a poor old senior citizen
Fair ones don't exist anymore but I don't expect honor from anyone with the gall to break in and rob a poor old senior citizen
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16 pages on this? broad was part of a home invasion, who cares if she was killed by the person whose home she was invading? being pregnant is not even relative to me at all...
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some of yall kill me. You going to tell me if i break into your house and you come in during the middle of it, you'd be cool with just calling the cops after im outside your property?
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According to them once you surrender the game is over and he can no longer touch you. Not even an exaggeration
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Killing can be justified. Murder, no.
Im not going to chase you down, shoot you once to down you. Let you plead for your life. Then rationalize that you're better off dead and shoot you. His words after the fact are the most damning. He's pretty much okay with what he did.
I see people bringing up the home invasion part and I whole heartedly agree thats wrong. But are people here really saying its okay to murder somebody after you have incapacitated them after a chase. Robbing his home was wrong and they should be sent to jail, but after wounding her with a gunshot, is death a reasonable punishment for burglary?
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Hunt you down? 80 year old hunted her down? From the pic that back alley was 2-3 steps from the door. There wasn't a will smith on foot chase scene bruh
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... She was SHOT, on the ground and surrendered. Are you serious? You don't think it's safe to call the cops then? She has to be executed?
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If I already shot you and you were wounded yeah I would call the cops. Being shot isn't like it is on TV you don't magically get the adrenaline rush and start to fight back.
