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On the "people lie to cover their ***" steez, same thing could be applied to someone saying they're pregnant.... 
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Homeowner shoots intruder who was not pregnant...
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yea because that's what I said don't be childish because we disagree
and his neighbors are corroborating that he was robbed previously show me where anyone else was able to say with certainty it was the same people....
and her being pregnant has nothing to do with my stance whether she was or wasn't he took the law into his own hands and executed her
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Agreed. These actions above would have completely relieved him of any possible legal complications.
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And the end of the day, lets talk facts.
That ladies actions are what ultimately got her killed. If she doesn't break the law and do something illegal like break into an 80 year old mans house, she'd still be alive today. You can't argue that or dispute that.
She could've been almost anywhere else in the world that evening and she would still be alive. You can't dispute or argue that. If she doesn't commit the initial crime to begin with then this never happens.
That ladies actions are what ultimately got her killed. If she doesn't break the law and do something illegal like break into an 80 year old mans house, she'd still be alive today. You can't argue that or dispute that.
She could've been almost anywhere else in the world that evening and she would still be alive. You can't dispute or argue that. If she doesn't commit the initial crime to begin with then this never happens.
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it seems fairly simple.
don't do wrong things, bad things will less likely follow.
don't do wrong things, bad things will less likely follow.
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Let's talk facts he didn't need to kill her.
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Not saying he shoulda killed her but I understand
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Just like on TV right?
Why not shoot the chandelier on top of them to drop it down and trap them too?
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Let's talk facts...she shouldn't have taken him as a mark or robbed him 2 other times.
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The guy had already escaped, how is he to know if their strapped or not strapped in the heat of the moment in the middle of the night.
Dude is 80 years old and if he's telling the truth about that being his first time shooting someone, I doubt he has great aim, let alone aim good enough to shoot a moving target in the leg in the dark of the night.
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I don't see what's so nonsensical about my scenario. Enlighten me.
Just like on TV right?
Why not shoot the chandelier on top of them to drop it down and trap them too?
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I could understand cutting the dude a little slack if he fatally shot her with the one bullet...
but she was ALREADY DOWN. All he had to do was stay next to her and make sure she didn't go anywhere. Instead he decided to put another bullet in her.
Dude deserves to be convicted.
but she was ALREADY DOWN. All he had to do was stay next to her and make sure she didn't go anywhere. Instead he decided to put another bullet in her.
Dude deserves to be convicted.
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What makes your opinion a fact?
Answer this simple question with a yes or no answer. Don't twist it or add anything else to it,
Is she still alive today if she doesn't break in that house? Yes or no.
Please answer that question for me.
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you can also never race a car and still be a good driver, though.
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at 80?
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Sigh, lemme take it back to second semester 1L year on you real quick...
*Due to time constraints and for the ease of grading, conspiracy and accomplice liability issues will not be addressed...
First degree murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethougt. Malice aforethougt exists if the defendant acted with: 1) intent to kill 2) intent to inflict grave bodily injury 3) reckless indifference to human life or 4) intent to commit a felony (felony murder).
"Bonnie" and "Clyde" broke and entered "Gran Torino's" house at nighttime with the intent to commit a felony inside. Bonnie and Clyde committed burglary. Gran Torino was home alone. This was the second time Gran Torino's home had been broken into this year.
Battery is the intentional harmful or offensive contact of another's person. A defense to battery is consent. No matter how harmful or offensive the touching, should the individual being touched give his consent to the contact, the crime of battery will not be present. While inside his home, Bonnie and Clyde subdued Gran Torino by tackling him to the ground and laying on his body so he could not move. Bonnie and Clyde's intentional contact with Gran Torino was harmful and offensive. Gran Torino did not consent to the contact. In addition to burglary, Bonnie and Clyde have also committed battery.
The majority view declares that a victim may use deadly force in self-defense anytime the victim reasonably believes deadly force is about to be used against him. The minority view declares that deadly force in self-defense may only be used after the victim has retreated, but the assailant still persists; however, the minority view also declares that a victim has no duty to retreat in their own home.
Gran Torino was able to fight off Bonnie and Clyde. Frightened by his strength and resilience, the criminal couple fled Gran Torino's home out the back door. Gran Torino produced a pistol and shot Bonnie as she was fleeing. Adapting the majority view, the analysis hinges upon Gran Torino's fear of deadly force against him. The facts are silent as to whether Bonnie and Clyde were armed with weapons or made any statements to Gran Torino during the burglary that weapons were in their possession. It is likely that Gran Torino feared for his life while attacked in his own home, however without further facts as to what Bonnie and Clyde said, or the weapons in their possession, it would be in error to make a declaration as to how "reasonable" Gran Torino's fear was.
Adapting the minority view of deadly force and self-defense, Gran Torino is afforded stronger legal footing. Gran Torino was in his own home, and had no duty to retreat. Fearing for his life and safety, he fought off Bonnie and Clyde after they subdued him. That was the end of Gran Torino's self defense. After the scuffle, Bonnie and Clyde panicked and frantically ran from Torino's home. The burglars burst through the door, the sweet light of freedom hits their face. No time to bask in the glory, the homeowner is in hot pursuit. Now armed with a pistol, Gran Torino pursued the criminals outside. Bonnie and Clyde have exited his home and are now ____ feet away from his property in the back alley. Gran Torino has now become the aggressor. They run down his driveway, she trips, her accomplice looks back, , but, as they say, no honor among thieves, he continues on.
Voluntary manslaughter is the intentional killing of a human being that would be first degree murder but for the existence of adequate provocation. Provocation is adequate only if: 1) the provocation would arose sudden and intense passion in the mind of an ordinary person causing them to lose self control 2) the person was in fact provoked 2) there was not sufficient time between the provocation and the killing to cool off and 4) the person in fact did not cool off.
Gran Torino was the victim of burglary and battery, an ordinary person would feel rage and intense passion in the heat of such a traumatic event and lose self control. Gran Torino was provoked by the brazen crimes of Bonnie and Clyde, and please remember that this is the second time this year Gran Torino was a victim of burglary - Gran Torino was indeed provoked. Gran Torino fought off Bonnie and Clyde and immediately grabbed his pistol in hot pursuit of the two criminals as they fled his home. There was no time in between the killing and the pursuit for Gran Torino to cool off. The homeowner, a gruff, elderly man, hands brittle, soul tired, bares down on her. She lies there, alone, helpless. She had scrapped her knee when she fell, it hurts, she can feel the sting of the hot concrete burning her flesh, her jeans were ripped, an odd thing to think about in the final moments. The gravity of the situations hits her. Don't shoot. I'm pregnant! I'm going to have a baby' she screams (her "excited utterance"), as a last attempt to apeal to his humanity.
Bang.
Bang.
Should the state decide to prosecute Gran Torino, he will likely be charged with voluntary manslaughter.
Now run home and get'cha ****** shine box.
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She was already down, pleading for her life. She obviously thought the 80 year old dude with a gun was a threat, and she was right.at 80?
If someone points a gun at you and says "don't move" and you're not armed, you're not moving.
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Because driving a car and precise aiming are so similar
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The 80 year dude was a self created threat on her part. That man did nothing to harm her until she entered his world for all the wrong reasons that night.
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you obviously do not understand metaphors.Because driving a car and precise aiming are so similar
one can practice to be good at something yet never have a real-life application to it.
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He f'd by giving no dambs and telling the news reporter straight out
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i dont know man. I cannot be on this guys side. He said himself she was already down, shot, and he shot her again. Thats not self defense thats wanting to kill someone.
