Homeowner shoots intruder who was not pregnant...

I could respect the differing views on the 2nd shot.

Personally though to me, the minute you break into someone's house, all bets are off though. They thought they had an easy target and perhaps did in the past. This ended in tragedy for that ladies family but she played a part in her death
 
yung16 said:
ive had my home broken into before, i got my security system. I have a .45 Taurus just in case if I do one night have to shoot someone, but if its a pregnant chick I already shot and didnt kill the first time in the street outside of my home... im going to make a call here and say nahhhhhhhh i wouldnt do it.
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And that's what YOU would do. Just because someone would do different doesn't make then wrong.

Also again, easy to say that here when you're not in the situation and not in the moment.
 
L7OSER said:
Shame on OP for not posting the most important part of the story.


When I went in there, they tackled me," Greer told NBC4 Wednesday. "Both of them jumped up on top of me."

The intruders, a man and woman, may have underestimated Greer, he said, as they ransacked his safe and yanked the door open right in front of him.

The intruders threw Greer to the ground, but they didn't know he'd gotten his .22-caliber Smith and Wesson revolver.

"I come back and they see me with a gun, and they run," he said.

The man escaped, but the woman fell after being struck by Greer's gunfire in an alley behind the house.

"She says, 'Don't shoot me, I'm pregnant! I'm going to have a baby!' And I shot her anyway," Greer said.
When asked what he saw happen to the woman after he fired shots, Greer responded: "She was dead. I shot her twice, she best be dead ... (The man) had run off and left her."
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Man, I would normally side with the homeowner here but this is some cold blooded stuff. He shot her already and while she begged for her life, he shoots her execution style? At that point, you can call the cops and hold her at gun point.

If he shot her once and killed her, I'd be cool with it. But he had her on the ground and executed her. I think that's too much.
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JJs07 said:
jadakhanman said:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-suspect-killed-long-beach-robbery-20140723-story.html

"A neighbor told KTLA-TV Channel 5 that the man had been robbed previously. "They literally tore down the front door," the neighbor said."


Old dude just lost it second time around. Would be interesting to know if he got the gun post first robbery.
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Well, damn. They thought dude was a mark.
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StillIn729 said:
you can't just erase facts from a story

in all likelihood he was robbed because he was considered an easy target
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BLASTERCOMBO said:
He was robbed BECAUSE he was an easy target.
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CreateDestroy said:
Seeing as they had victimized him repeatedly, combined with the fact that he's already 80 years old. I completely understand why he wanted their blood when he caught them. Hee not really gonna take an L cause he already lived his life. I would have done the same.

As far as the law, he will probably plead to a manslaughter charge and serve no time due to age and condition. This is completely different than trayvon Martin's situation
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JJs07 said:
Just to be clear...

Mr Greer, who required hospital treatment for injuries to his shoulder, told NBC that the same couple had robbed him on two previous occasions.
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StillIn729 said:
they busted his shoulder and collarbone before he shot her; I am sure he figured they would be back again if this was the third time
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Cedric Ceballos said:
And the end of the day, lets talk facts.

That ladies actions are what ultimately got her killed. If she doesn't break the law and do something illegal like break into an 80 year old mans house, she'd still be alive today. You can't argue that or dispute that.

She could've been almost anywhere else in the world that evening and she would still be alive. You can't dispute or argue that. If she doesn't commit the initial crime to begin with then this never happens.
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BLASTERCOMBO said:
And that's what YOU would do. Just because someone would do different doesn't make then wrong.

Also again, easy to say that here when you're not in the situation and not in the moment.
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well its up to the jury to decide if he was wrong or not. But this is a forum to discuss situations therefore I gave my take. I gave my take because someone said if you were in that situation you dont know what you would do and i am giving an account of if i was in his particular situation HE DESCRIBED(like an idiot i might add) I would not have killed that girl.
 
yung16 said:
also blastercombo blastercombo can you hit me with the article is says shorty did this three times. Thats a little OD i have to agree to that.
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there isnt one i asked for it a while back

that's purely speculation that it was them that committed the earlier robberies

but dudes are running with it like its fact
 
Who knows if it was actually them that broke in previously tho? Because the neighbor said that it might be? :lol: y'all dudes run with whatever supports your view

Also y'all talking about what if they come back? What if they're running to the car to get a gun? :lol:

If I have a gun and I'm about to hit a lick please believe the gun is gonna be on my hip. Second, if I'm in somebody spot fighting with them and they start letting off why the **** would I come back? To have a gun fight? The lick is done

Y'all bringing up all these scenarios as if this dude thought about all that in the seconds in which it occurred. He was prolly just tired of getting his house ran in. To keep it a 100 dude could've easily ran outside and caught a bullet himself if they had a gun and wanted to return fire.

It's definitely gonna be tough case either way. California is one of the states where you can actually pursue somebody while defending yourself under certain conditions.

The kicker is you can only kill while defending yourself against "forcible and atrocious crime", those crimes are Murder or manslaughter, Being attacked in a way that would cause great bodily injury, Rape, Mayhem and Robbery.

He might have a case as far as being attacked in a way that would cause great bodily injury due to him being 80 years old. It's obviously not gonna be that cut and dry tho
 
On another note, what type of dude lets his girl or babymoms accompany him to break into houses in the first place. Why not have one of your boys do it.

Crime is bad regardless but if your about that life but shes pregnant, why not have her do check scams or credit card fraud instead then put her in the potential line of fire in a worst case scenario where things go bad.
 
and i know for a fact he did not kill that woman in self defense he said it himself "She was dead. I shot her twice, she best be dead. He had run off and left her. I shot her so that's going to leave a message on his mind for the rest of his life." he shot her because he didnt want the other guy to come back. Also from what i read from his accounts they knocked him down and then went back to the robbery yeah they werent looking to hurt this dude that would have been a number 1 priority if he was in the home.
 
STR8DROP said:
Who knows if it was actually them that broke in previously tho? Because the neighbor said that it might be? :lol: y'all dudes run with whatever supports your view

Also y'all talking about what if they come back? What if they're running to the car to get a gun? :lol:
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aren't you doing the same thing though?
 
Cedric Ceballos said:
On another note, what type of dude lets his girl or babymoms accompany him to break into houses in the first place. Why not have one of your boys do it.

Crime is bad regardless but if your about that life but shes pregnant, why not have her do check scams or credit card fraud instead then put her in the potential line of fire in a worst case scenario where things go bad.
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now this i can get agree with homes is a piece of ****,even more so if she actually was pregnant
 
RIP to the unborn child
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Cedric Ceballos said:
On another note, what type of dude lets his girl or babymoms accompany him to break into houses in the first place. Why not have one of your boys do it.

Crime is bad regardless but if your about that life but shes pregnant, why not have her do check scams or credit card fraud instead then put her in the potential line of fire in a worst case scenario where things go bad.
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more than likely and this is just speculation but they were crackheads.
 
Everybody is in the wrong in my opinion I don't need to run with an assumption to support my view

My main point was that we don't know if it was them previously or not yet everybody is talking like they know for a fact that it was

As far as the scenario I was just giving my logical opinion, what good is a gun during a lick if it's in the car? Why come back to the house if you know dude has a gun ready to shoot?

You're right tho they could've had a gun in the car, they could've came back, but do y'all really think all that was going through dudes head in the heat of the moment? It could have but IMO no

Honestly I could probably see myself doing the same thing he did in that moment especially after numerous break ins, doesn't mean I think it was the right thing to do tho
 
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STR8DROP said:
Everybody is in the wrong in my opinion I don't need to run with an assumption to support my view

My main point was that we don't know if it was them previously or not yet everybody is talking like they know for a fact that it was

As far as the scenario I was just giving my logical opinion, what good is a gun during a lick if it's in the car? Why come back to the house if you know dude has a gun ready to shoot?

You're right tho they could've had a gun in the car, they could've came back, but do y'all really think all that was going through dudes head in the heat of the moment? IMO no

Honestly I could probably see myself doing the same thing he did in that moment especially after numerous break ins, doesn't mean I think it was the right thing to do tho
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man i have a hard time even thinking about hitting a woman let alone shooting one that says shes pregnant. one thing is for sure dude has some balls. but this could either make people stay away from him or make him a target. we shall see.
 
Something I think we all can agree on, that man better move because that house will be burned to the ground sooner or later
 
Unfortunate situation. I feel for the old man because these two brought unneeded confrontation into his (probably) easy going life. On the other hand, he point blank executed somebody when they were no longer a threat.
 
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