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And that's really where the story should end.
Homeowner shoots intruder who was not pregnant...
And that's really where the story should end.
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Right or Wrong. When you do something stupid you already know the possible outcomes......
You don't see me sticking my **** in a snake hole.
You don't see me sticking my **** in a snake hole.
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may i ask why you feel this way?
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Have no problem with it, why? Do you think it's the same? and this is coming from a person whose brother got murdered, killer got a life sentence with a chance of parole and got paroled 35 years later.
No hate in my blood.
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Can we all just be sensible about this for a moment? This incident could have gone down in a multitude of ways, and we might never actually know because the only person's word we have to go off of is the old man's...and he could very well revise the story to cover his ***. Here are two scenarios which change the way I feel on the issue:
1. Robbers escape, old man goes after them, girl yells "don't shoot! I'm pregnant!", old man fires off some shots anyways, two hit her, she ends up dying= understandable on the old man's end
2. Robber's escape, old man goes after them, fires off a shot, hits girl, girl is on the ground, pleads with old man not to shoot her again, old man shoots her anyways= old dude is in the wrong.
Oh...and don't give me this line of crap that the old man was afraid of retaliation or the other dude coming back with a gun. THEY BROKE INTO HIS HOUSE! If you had a gun, why wouldn't you bring it with you then? And "afraid of retaliation"? As if killing the dude's partner/girlfriend/whatever isn't asking for retaliation.
1. Robbers escape, old man goes after them, girl yells "don't shoot! I'm pregnant!", old man fires off some shots anyways, two hit her, she ends up dying= understandable on the old man's end
2. Robber's escape, old man goes after them, fires off a shot, hits girl, girl is on the ground, pleads with old man not to shoot her again, old man shoots her anyways= old dude is in the wrong.
Oh...and don't give me this line of crap that the old man was afraid of retaliation or the other dude coming back with a gun. THEY BROKE INTO HIS HOUSE! If you had a gun, why wouldn't you bring it with you then? And "afraid of retaliation"? As if killing the dude's partner/girlfriend/whatever isn't asking for retaliation.
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Just wondering. Of course they aren't the same thing.
You don't need hate in your blood to kill or be fine with someone being killed BTW.
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Can we all just be sensible about this for a moment? This incident could have gone down in a multitude of ways, and we might never actually know because the only person's word we have to go off of is the old man's...and he could very well revise the story to cover his ***.
Oh...and don't give me this line of crap that the old man was afraid of retaliation or the other dude coming back with a gun. THEY BROKE INTO HIS HOUSE! If you had a gun, why wouldn't you bring it with you then? And "afraid of retaliation"? As if killing the dude's partner/girlfriend/whatever isn't asking for retaliation.
Why's it a line of crap? You say yourself we don't know what happened, why begin ruling things out when all you know is what you've been exposed to?
Maybe they didn't think a gun was necessary to rob an old man? But we don't know.
Killing someone isn't asking for retaliation every time someone is killed. But we don't know.
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If your willing to break into a persons house, you don't deserve the benefit of the doubt that you won't try and get payback when it backfires.
These were opportunist robbers which is why they weren't strapped. They seem like the type that would be willing to eat the charges that come with breaking and entering and putting hands on the old man. They weren't down to catch the additional charges they would get for breaking in while strapped (I'd assume a gun they obtained illegally) and the charges for potentially using that gun. They picked what they thought was an easy target which is why they didn't go in strapped.
For the devils advocate posters though. Did the guy who beat up that 18 year old child molester go to far in your eyes? Should he have had the restraint to control his emotions after he had the molester detained and let the cops handle it? He could've killed the guy, look at how his face looked in the mugshot and one punch to the wrong part of the face, let alone numerous punches could cause brain damage or be fatal. Wouldn't that be deemed excessive in you guys minds as well?
These were opportunist robbers which is why they weren't strapped. They seem like the type that would be willing to eat the charges that come with breaking and entering and putting hands on the old man. They weren't down to catch the additional charges they would get for breaking in while strapped (I'd assume a gun they obtained illegally) and the charges for potentially using that gun. They picked what they thought was an easy target which is why they didn't go in strapped.
For the devils advocate posters though. Did the guy who beat up that 18 year old child molester go to far in your eyes? Should he have had the restraint to control his emotions after he had the molester detained and let the cops handle it? He could've killed the guy, look at how his face looked in the mugshot and one punch to the wrong part of the face, let alone numerous punches could cause brain damage or be fatal. Wouldn't that be deemed excessive in you guys minds as well?
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You don't know what's in anyone's house. I'm sorry, but if I was gonna break in someone's house and I owned a gun, I'd bring it. It seems like it would make things go a lot easier. You can either wrestle with the dude, or just point a gun at him and keep him there. Which seems more like a better idea for a criminal?Why's it a line of crap? You say yourself we don't know what happened, why begin ruling things out when all you know is what you've been exposed to?Can we all just be sensible about this for a moment? This incident could have gone down in a multitude of ways, and we might never actually know because the only person's word we have to go off of is the old man's...and he could very well revise the story to cover his ***.
Oh...and don't give me this line of crap that the old man was afraid of retaliation or the other dude coming back with a gun. THEY BROKE INTO HIS HOUSE! If you had a gun, why wouldn't you bring it with you then? And "afraid of retaliation"? As if killing the dude's partner/girlfriend/whatever isn't asking for retaliation.
Maybe they didn't think a gun was necessary to rob an old man? But we don't know.
Killing someone isn't asking for retaliation every time someone is killed. But we don't know.
And I never said it's asking for retaliation every time, but you can't say that it wouldn't increase the possibility of it. #NTExtremes
At the end of the day, the point is that you can't (and shouldn't be able to) use overwhelming force based on conjecture. You shouldn't be able to say "I don't know what's gonna happen, so I'm just gonna nip this all in the bud by murdering someone."
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Basically you guys are arguing against what the old man said about killing her and not the fact that he killed her.
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No. I'm arguing against how it possibly went about. Read the possible scenarios and you'll realize there are certain ways it could have gone down where I'll give the old dude a pass.
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"Possibly" went down. Key word there.
The robbers could if possibly killed him, or possibly left him broke, or possibly not of done it at all.
The robbers could if possibly killed him, or possibly left him broke, or possibly not of done it at all.
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But the old man acted after he knew that the robbers didn't kill him. They ran away.
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Maybe he could have done something after they killed him....
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The point is all the "could of" situations are irrelevant,
He protect his home and himself
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...but you guys are justifying the killing based off of the *"could haves"
"they could have had a gun in the car"
"they could have come back for retaliation"
I produced no such conjecture. I was the one that admitted that there could be discrepancies in how the story as we know it is being presented, and I'm the one that admits that there's ways in which this may have gone down in which I'd understand the old man's actions. There's also a way in which it may have gone down where I think he crossed the line.
This will be my last post in here. We keep going in circles. Time to agree to disagree.
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you bring up a very interesting case. he caught the guy doing that to his son(whom was the one in danger/harms way) and beat him badly and managed to subdue him, then he proceeded to call the cops to come and get him. He could have killed him, but he didnt. He decided to get the law involved. The old man shot the girl with the first shot he managed to subdue her and then killed her after she pleaded for her life. Then he called the cops. Now I think a crime is a crime, but even the law seems to think some are worse than the others. A woman who commited a B and E deserves to die more than a rapist? Come on man. Now in that case of the little boy I personally would have killed that man for doing what he did to that child. thats just me.
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You don't know what's in anyone's house. I'm sorry, but if I was gonna break in someone's house and I owned a gun, I'd bring it. It seems like it would make things go a lot easier. You can either wrestle with the dude, or just point a gun at him and keep him there. Which seems more like a better idea for a criminal?
Can we all just be sensible about this for a moment? This incident could have gone down in a multitude of ways, and we might never actually know because the only person's word we have to go off of is the old man's...and he could very well revise the story to cover his ***.
Oh...and don't give me this line of crap that the old man was afraid of retaliation or the other dude coming back with a gun. THEY BROKE INTO HIS HOUSE! If you had a gun, why wouldn't you bring it with you then? And "afraid of retaliation"? As if killing the dude's partner/girlfriend/whatever isn't asking for retaliation.
Why's it a line of crap? You say yourself we don't know what happened, why begin ruling things out when all you know is what you've been exposed to?
Maybe they didn't think a gun was necessary to rob an old man? But we don't know.
Killing someone isn't asking for retaliation every time someone is killed. But we don't know.
And I never said it's asking for retaliation every time, but you can't say that it wouldn't increase the possibility of it. #NTExtremes
At the end of the day, the point is that you can't (and shouldn't be able to) use overwhelming force based on conjecture. You shouldn't be able to say "I don't know what's gonna happen, so I'm just gonna nip this all in the bud by murdering someone."
There is no one size fits all for criminals. Just because you'd bring a gun to rob an elderly person doesn't mean everyone would feel the need. Especially if one was trying to avoid killing anyone.
James Broadnax says if he could go back in time, he wouldn't have brought a gun to rob the people he robbed.
I didn't say you said there would be retaliation, I was responding to your inference that there may be retaliation. Since we're using ourselves as markers, would you have gone back and retaliated? You say you would have brought a gun, what would you have done seeing your "pregnant" whoever shot? Would you go back for revenge?
At the end of the day, you're forming your opinion of the situation based on conjecture. At the start of the thread the woman who was shot was pregnant.
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Could haves? They did break into his house, they did break his collar bone, he did defend himself.
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Obviously molesting a child is worse then breaking and entering and assault.
Still, I have no problem with death being the punishment for either if someone catches a child being molested, or if someone gets assaulted in their own home after it gets broken into by two thugs 55 years younger then him.
The way some people think though, the molester could've been subdued and detained after the first punch or two and everything after that was excess and he shouldn't take the law into his own hands. (Obviously I disagree with that thinking but ultimately if you make a risky reckless decision, you gotta deal with the potential reprecussions)
I don't break into houses, because aside from having respect for other people and their property, I don't want to go to jail, and I don't want to risk getting killed by the homeowner. Jail and death are two things id risk having happen to me if I break into a house
