Ebola

Where did anyone say the virus has gotten through biohazard suits? This is a virus, not acid.

Abc news, cbs news, reuters, cdc confirmed it. Do some research buddy. If all these precautionary measures were taken and they are still getting infected, you honestly believe we gonna be ok?
 
Yea there's gonna be a link explaining why this was planned -___- outside of infowarz
It's almost common sense if they didn't want it to possibly spread a lot more precautions taken
 
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Abc news, cbs news, reuters, cdc confirmed it. Do some research buddy. If all these precautionary measures were taken and they are still getting infected, you honestly believe we gonna be ok?

Well, the first problem with your claim is that most of the relief workers in Africa probably aren't wearing them:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/...suits-protect-workers-or-just-scare-everyone/

Wearing full-body protection gear is "expensive, uncomfortable, and unaffordable for countries that are the most affected," they said. It may also send the message that such protection against the virus is being preferentially given to health care workers and is out of reach to the general public, they wrote in their article

Moreover, the image of health care workers in hazmat suits could lead to panic, causing people to flee the area and possibly spread the virus elsewhere, they added.

Instead, protective gear such as gloves, waterproof smocks, goggles, masks and isolated rooms may be enough to manage infected patients, so long as they are not hemorrhaging or vomiting, the letter said. "In control of infectious diseases, more is not necessarily better and, very often, the simplest answer is the best," the researchers wrote.

Even when they do, the risk is that the virus attaches itself to the suit. It doesn't bleed through the suit, like you claim. That's why they have to go through those chemical showers. The problem is, they can't set these expensive, complex systems up all over Africa because the resources don't exist:

http://news.discovery.com/human/health/ebola-can-attack-from-hasmat-suit-surfaces-140909.htm

“The physical exhaustion and emotional fatigue that come with caring for patients infected with Ebola may further increase the chance of an inadvertent exposure to bodily fluids on the outside of the personal protective equipment, leading to unwanted contact when the gear is removed,” experts from Johns Hopkins and the University of North Carolina wrote in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

“The impulse to wipe away sweat in the ever-present hot, humid environment during personal protective equipment removal may lead to inadvertent inoculation of mucous membranes” in and on the nose, mouth and eyes...

...Last week, an American missionary couple who worked in Liberia told The Associated Press that there wasn’t enough protective gear for health care workers.

“We don’t have enough personal protective safety equipment to adequately be able to safely diagnose if a patient has Ebola. So they are putting themselves at risk,” said David Writebol, whose wife, Nancy, recovered from Ebola.
 
Here's a great read. It's a Reddit AMA, and there's lots of great info not only about Ebola, but about how infectious diseases of this magnitude are handled. Multiple experts who've worked with infectious diseases chimed in as well:

Okay, not the AMA guy, but I have some experience with infectious diseases (worked in lab at CDC). Wall o'text incoming.

Let me start of by explaining one thing: infection is a matter of probability, not of absolutes. Any given exposure has only got a certain chance of causing an infection, depending on the pathogen in question, time exposed, and the amount of pathogen you are exposed to.

As a general rule,the longer you are in contact with a pathogen, or the higher the dose of pathogen you get, the higher your odds of infection.

With that out of the way...

ONE: Route of infection is actually very important. Some viruses, like influenza, can easily get into the body through various routes. Other viruses, like norovirus, are only dangerous if you get them into your gastrointestinal tract. Still others, like HIV, require direct fluid contact for any transmission.

To put it another way, take this fake virus I've made up to illustrate the point.

Viral particles required to infect through blood contact: 1,500
Viral particles required to infect through mucosal membranes (eyes): 150,000,000
Viral particles required to infect through lungs: 15,000,000,000,000
Viral particles required to infect through gut: 15,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

An exposure of 1,500 particles is very likely but it can't infect unless it gets into direct contact with blood. However, aerosolized virus requires a MUCH higher dose to infect the lungs--it's possible, but requires a very long exposure or a very high dose. Gut infection is so unlikely as to be essentially impossible.

Similarly, while it may be theoretically possible for ebola to infect through the lungs, all of the evidence and the experiences of doctors/patients who've dealt with it suggest that it isn't very well suited to infecting people through the lungs or the gut (nobody that I've ever heard of has contracted the disease through infected water, for example).

Also, the dose of virus you receive from a microscopic droplet coughed up is minuscule compared to the dose you'd get from touching even a small droplet of blood coming directly out of the victim or through touching their feces. As we established earlier, dose matters.

TWO: Lab techs and doctors wear suits/have negative pressure rooms because ebola is exceedingly dangerous. The evidence suggests ebola isn't readily transmitted between humans by aerosol, but nobody is going to risk their lives just to prove it. Also, lab workers are more likely to receive a higher dose of airborne virus as they're working face-deep in an infected monkey's chest. Ditto for doctor's at a hospital working with ebola patients. They wear extra precaution because they're taking extra risk.

THREE: Pathogens behave very differently between different host animals. For example, bird flu is readily transmitted between birds but not to humans--only humans with prolonged contact with infected birds catch the disease. Evidence in monkeys and pigs is not directly applicable to humans, as I'm sure you're aware.

Second, I'd have to look at the studies you're referencing (links?), but I expect they're exposing the monkeys/pigs to very high doses of virus to ensure transmission.

FOUR: A couple of things here, but the biggest issue is that you're comparing a lab tech working with ebola for three or four hours at a time in a modern BSL-4 lab with doctors and nurses working 12-24 hour shifts in rural Africa. The African doctors have much less protection in general, are in contact with infected materials FAR longer at a time, and are going to be fatigued. When people are tired, they make mistakes--and when you're in contact with ebola virus for 12 hour stretches, that mistake can be fatal.

Ebola has ALWAYS been a danger to the doctors and nurses who care for patients because of limited resources and high stress. There's nothing new or unexpected about doctors/nurses getting sick--they're at the highest risk of anybody in the world simply because they're deliberately placing themselves into direct, prolonged contact with infected materials.

TL; DR:

1. route of infection matters
2. Ebola is one of the most dangerous pathogens known to medicine and has no treatment--nobody is going to work on it without taking all protective measures
3. Transmission in pigs and monkeys are suggestive, but not evidence that the virus can be highly infectious in humans lungs. This is especially true given the experiences derived from more than 40 years of surveillance.
4a. It's unreasonable to compare the infection rates of comfortable, well-rested lab techs in a BSL-4 lab with those of fatigued, stressed doctors and nurses working in a tent in rural Africa.
4b. There's nothing new or unexpected about doctors/nurses getting sick with ebola. They are probably the highest risk demographic as they are deliberately (and heroically) placing themselves in prolonged contact with the virus.
 
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I'm pretty sure its being down played. If the only way to contract it is by touching bodily fluids how are so many people getting it? How is 1.5 mill an estimate if it is so hard to contract? You're telling me every single one of those estimated people are gonna break into hospitals and take their sick relatives too?

I have reason to worry because even if we have the CDC and unlimited amount of resources to prevent a wide spread out break here, doesn't mean it won't or can't happen. Maybe not with Ebola but you'd be naive to say "it will never happen here".
HIV is relatively difficult to contract, but if people fail to take the necessary precautions it can become a big deal.
 
West Africa is getting hit hard because they don't have the resources. Also the village folks are uneducated about the dangers. Breaking in hospitals and taking family members is insane :smh:

It's the exact reason so many villagers were purposely killed last time there was an outbreak. My girl was telling me that Sierra leone had a 5 day lockdown so they could test a lot of homes


The education b/t city folks and folks from remote villages is heavily staggered
 
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They are making it seem as if you have to stick your hand in a bucket of poop, blood, pee, and semen in order to contract this disease.
This dude contracted it by holding the body of a women who had it.
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Now they are saying this dude might have came in contact with 80 people...
imagine how many people they might have came in contact with. ..
 
Yall do know the new is sensationalizing(the HELL out of) this to gain ratings, right?
 

Yea this is funny and all but its that type of thinking that will get some people caught up. The thing is YOU DONT KNOW IF THE PERSON has Ebola.

This could potentially be a big problem. I see they have started to clean the school of the kids who came in contact with the dude, and told everyone he came in contact with to stay away from school/work for 3 weeks :x
 
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You dont know if you have ebola but you arent contagious til symptoms show. If they are being properly monitored then they will contain it at the first signs. The next couple of weeks will tell.
 
Dallas resident stepping in.

Some folks here are tripping bruh...

I'm like, "famb... Y'all gotta chill"


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Nothing wrong with being precautionary but y'all letting the media scare the **** out of you.
 
The problem in Africa is they have no clean water supply, or clean anything really. When the doctor tells you to go home and drink water and get plenty of rest, it's kind of hard to do that when drinking the water will probably make you worse off.
 
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You dont know if you have ebola but you arent contagious til symptoms show. If they are being properly monitored then they will contain it at the first signs. The next couple of weeks will tell.
You said they will contain the Ebola. As if you can stop it, it has a 50% mortality rate, if you get it, its a coin toss that you will die from it...now what where you saying genius?? ?
 
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You dont know if you have ebola but you arent contagious til symptoms show. If they are being properly monitored then they will contain it at the first signs. The next couple of weeks will tell.
read the list of symptoms.

the first symptom isn't necessarily bleeding from every orifice of your body. one could be showing symptoms and the symptoms could definitely be misinterpreted by the individual or other ppl. isn't that what happened in this guy's case? especially since nobody asked if he traveled to west africa and he didn't give that info voluntarily?
 
who was patient zero in Africa?

i can't remember but the story of how this pandemic did come out...it started from one woman or female child iirc that prepared/ate bush meat. from them relatives handled her, so on and so forth. you'd have to google it. i saw it on cnn awhile back.

anyway they are testing someone in hawaii with supposed symptoms.
 
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