Stephen A. Smith Apologizes about Domestic Violence Views

For the record, I don't think SAS meant any harm by what he said. That still doesn't make it right. It's not constructive. It's blaming the victim instead of the abuser. Again, it's not constructive. If someone has been abused, they most definitely think about how they could've prevented it. They blame themselves. It haunts them. It changes the way they act. That doesn't make it right to go on national TV and vaguely state they need to take preventative measures. That could mean a lot of things and for a lot of victims of abuse, it's triggering. If you're going to go up there and make that argument, you need to be a lot better than he was. He went up there full of ignorance on the subject and it showed.
 
Fontaine said:
No apologies made to young black men getting hemmed up by white cops or wrongfully harrassed... And Stephen A says "watch what you do... Don't put yourself in that position"

But yet... We're outraged about him saying the same to women...

Amirite?
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So Michael Eric Dyson wasn't on the following episode telling Stephen A that he was wrong as hell for what he said about that? Whose fault is it black people didn't cause a outrage about his statement?
 
Osh Kosh Bosh said:
Fake outrage huh? :rolleyes

That is the lowest form of argument; criticize her points, you aren't a telepath no one wants to hear what you think her secret motives are.
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The same way Beadle is insinuating that SAS has a secret motive of condoning domestic abuse?
 
heLiumcLinton said:
 
Fontaine said:
You really think he was wrong for saying "don't provoke violence. Let's try and take whatever preventative measures possible."?

Like... Come on, bro... You cannot seriously think that's the wrong thing to say


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Do I personally think he was wrong? No. Did he use the wrong terminology? Yes. I just wish people would step out their POV for once and see it from the POV of who he was addressing. People really can't understand how telling someone who was abused that they provoked what occurred is damaging? Victim blaming 101. There is a huge difference between saying don't put your hands on someone and don't provoke someone. Provoke means so many things, so although I got his point he used the wrong verbiage.
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Absolutely!

Thank you, sir.

EDIT: I already see the captain save 'em comments for anyone who even SLIGHTLY disagrees with Steven A. 
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Grow up.
 
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Fontaine said:
aight...

You trolling now, bro...

#ntextremes...

People talk about being an abused women looking at TV...



No apologies made to young black men getting hemmed up by white cops or wrongfully harrassed... And Stephen A says "watch what you do... Don't put yourself in that position"

But yet... We're outraged about him saying the same to women...

Amirite?
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When SAS says that stuff about black men, I feel the SAME way. When he spoke about the Cuban/Sterling comments, I was disgusted. He talked about how young black men would face less problems if they were dressed better. He agreed with Cuban that black guys in hoodies were scary and if they were in suits, it would be all good. As if white people are really scared about the hoodies... please. I think it's problematic. When you agree with that type of mentality, you're part of the problem. When you tell women to not provoke men or tell black men to not wear hoodies at night, you're part of the problem. That's why I said that.

I wish there was an outrage when SAS said those things but things aren't perfect. SAS being a black man talking to the black community has a lot of leeway. SAS being a man talking to women doesn't have the same leeway. The reasons should be obvious.
 
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Deuce King said:
The word "provoke" in a blank statement like that is a vague description to begin with.  Michelle Beadle and her circus of fake outrage supporters both on Twitter and here on NT were just looking for attention on the matter and used this opportunity to do so. 
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Fake outrage huh?
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That is the lowest form of argument; criticize her points, you aren't a telepath no one wants to hear what you think her secret motives are.
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Yes fake outrage.  Reason being is because Michelle Beadle and her circus of fake outrage supporters ASSUMED or didn't specifically ask SAS what he meant by his comments or the word "provoke" in that instance.  Instead they just came to their own conclusion on the matter even when he had already said numerous times "that a man should never put his hands on a woman", which is more of a definitive statement on the matter of domestic violence overall from his point of view.  Folks picking pieces of his statement apart just to fit their agenda. 

Also, for those that don't know as was discussed on ESPN First Take on Friday 7/25/14, according to what was said by NFL sources regarding the Ray Rice domestic violence situation it was his then fiance that struck/hit Ray Rice FIRST, and then he retaliated by hitting her back.  Now, for all the Michelle Beadle supporters in here and the so called "educated" individuals on domestic violence, what do you dudes have to say about the fiance hitting Ray Rice first??
 
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Deuce King said:
Yes fake outrage.  Reason being is because Michelle Beadle and her circus of fake outrage supporters ASSUMED or didn't specifically ask SAS what he meant by his comments or the word "provoke" in that instance.  Instead they just came to their own conclusion on the matter even when he had already said numerous times "that a man should never put his hands on a woman", which is more of a definitive statement on the matter of domestic violence overall from his point of view.  Folks picking pieces of his statement apart just to fit their agenda. 

Also, for those that don't know as was discussed on ESPN First Take on Friday 7/25/14, according to what was said by NFL sources regarding the Ray Rice domestic violence situation it was his then fiance that struck/hit Ray Rice FIRST, and then he retaliated by hitting her back.  Now, for all the Michelle Beadle supporters in here and the so called "educated" individuals on domestic violence, what do you dudes have to say about the fiance hitting Ray Rice first??
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It's no one's fault that he said the wrong thing. There can be no fake outrage or "attention seekers" if you don't speak on what you don't know.
We been established men shouldn't hit women and women shouldn't hit men dude :lol: the whole point is he should of said men and women keep their hands to themselves and keep his trap from shut there on. Not one person is disagreeing with that :rolleyes
 
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Deuce King said:
Yes fake outrage.  Reason being is because Michelle Beadle and her circus of fake outrage supporters ASSUMED or didn't specifically ask SAS what he meant by his comments or the word "provoke" in that instance.  Instead they just came to their own conclusion on the matter even when he had already said numerous times "that a man should never put his hands on a woman", which is more of a definitive statement on the matter of domestic violence overall from his point of view.  Folks picking pieces of his statement apart just to fit their agenda. 

Also, for those that don't know as was discussed on ESPN First Take on Friday 7/25/14, according to what was said by NFL sources regarding the Ray Rice domestic violence situation it was his then fiance that struck/hit Ray Rice FIRST, and then he retaliated by hitting her back.  Now, for all the Michelle Beadle supporters in here and the so called "educated" individuals on domestic violence, what do you dudes have to say about the fiance hitting Ray Rice first??
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which is why he got 2 games...

Inb4 he's a big NFL guy hitting a woman
Inb4 you gotta walk away
Inb4 people have use hyperbole to get point across...

Bottom line... Ray rice shouldn't have washed her, but she shouldn't have hit him first..

It wouldn't have went there if she hadn't hit him (based on him having a clean record)

And THATS the point SAS was making...
 
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Deuce King said:
The word "provoke" in a blank statement like that is a vague description to begin with.  Michelle Beadle and her circus of fake outrage supporters both on Twitter and here on NT were just looking for attention on the matter and used this opportunity to do so. 


How does one become "educated" on domestic violence then??  
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Research. Talking to victims. Reading about victims. Reading about what leads up to it. Reading about how it effects victims for the rest of their lives.
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If one of SAS own family members experienced this for themselves and he "dealt" with the situation as a result (according to what he said) then wouldn't that encompass just about everything that you listed above??
 
Cant stand Beadle :smh: :x :x

I would never steal on my girl, though. I would eat her punch and constrain her. How i look hitting my future wife with a closed fist, knocking her unconscious? Nah :lol:
 
heLiumcLinton said:
Who determines what provocation is though? Doesn't different things provoke different people.
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If SAS said specifically women shouldn't hit men or women shouldn't come at men with knives, there would be no outrage. He decided to be very vague about it and that's why what he said was wrong. His vagueness in that clip AND in his twitter "clarification" is the problem. If what he meant was women shouldn't hit men, he would've said that specifically - he's a very blunt person.

There's a difference between saying "don't put yourself in that position by hitting someone" and "don't put yourself in that position". One implies you physically start the altercation (which is wrong), the other implies you may have caused it by saying something or acting a certain way.
 
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mgrand15 said:
 
Deuce King said:
The word "provoke" in a blank statement like that is a vague description to begin with.  Michelle Beadle and her circus of fake outrage supporters both on Twitter and here on NT were just looking for attention on the matter and used this opportunity to do so. 


How does one become "educated" on domestic violence then??  
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Research. Talking to victims. Reading about victims. Reading about what leads up to it. Reading about how it effects victims for the rest of their lives.
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If one of SAS own family members experienced this for themselves and he "dealt" with the situation as a result (according to what he said) then wouldn't that encompass just about everything that you listed above??
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Apparently experience =/= education.

Dudes in here going against the grain just do it.

Arguing semantics when we all know what he meant.
 
7thAve btn 31stN33rd St said:
Brandon Marshall was stabbed by his crazy *** girl, if that ain't provocation then I dont know WTF is.
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According to Michelle Beadle and her brigade of supporters on Twitter and here on NT, an example such as this ISN'T provocation on the woman's part.  Let them tell it, the woman did everything right in this example provided, they probably would say she should have used a stabbing utensil. 
 
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Based Jesus said:
Apparently experience =/= education.
Dudes in here going against the grain just do it.
Arguing semantics when we all know what he meant.
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Wait educated and experience mean the same thing? Cool

Having a different opinion is going against the grain? Cool

Someone who has been in a domestic violent situation knows when Stephen A said provoke he meant keep your hands to yourself? Cool
 
YO!

1 - He took the L when he doubled down. Anyone claiming to know what he was "trying to say" has to understand why there are those of us who wanted him to clearly state what he was "trying to say."
2 - When asked for clarification on what he believed provocation to be, that was his opportunity to clarify his statements. He instead apologized to women who "misconstrued" what he said. THAT was his biggest mistake in this. From that point, an apology was absolutely necessary.

It's a lot of dudes both caping for Stephen A. &, also it seems, lessening their opinion of him for having apologized. You all sound silly.

DF!!!
 
Fontaine said:
No apologies made to young black men getting hemmed up by white cops or wrongfully harrassed... And Stephen A says "watch what you do... Don't put yourself in that position"

But yet... We're outraged about him saying the same to women...

Amirite?
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Ricky, PLEASE think about this.

The Trayvon Martin Case. Remember when that goofy Geraldo Rivera said,
 I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was
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 and then he said,
 But I am urging the parents of black and Latino youngsters particularly to not let their children go out wearing hoodies
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Oh yeah, there was definitely outrage man! He ended up apologizing for it later. Shoot, even his own son shunned him for those comments.

There are some white people who don't believe he said a single thing wrong. They claim that he was "looking out" for minorities, but it was easy for you as a black person to see why it was wrong and offensive.

All I'm trying to say is look at it from the perspective of a woman (and women who have been domestically abused before). When you think about it that way, you can get a better understanding on why some women would take offense to Stephen A's comments.
 
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mgrand15 said:
 
heLiumcLinton said:
Who determines what provocation is though? Doesn't different things provoke different people.
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If SAS said specifically women shouldn't hit men or women shouldn't come at men with knives, there would be no outrage. He decided to be very vague about it and that's why what he said was wrong. His vagueness in that clip AND in his twitter "clarification" is the problem. If what he meant was women shouldn't hit men, he would've said that specifically - he's a very blunt person.
 
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Here's my thing, if SAS was vague as you just described above why couldn't Michelle Beadle and her brigade of supporters just asked SAS what exactly did he mean by those comments.  Is asking a question that hard these days??  Folks scared to ask questions, folks would just rather make up their own assumption and run with that.  Especially since he is a co-worker of yours and you can just see him at the studio to ask, send a private e-mail or just find the ESPN company directory and get his extension to give SAS a call.  Seems very easy and simple to do, just ask. 
 
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