Police Kill Unarmed Teen In Ferguson, Missouri

Lots of dudes catching bans here with all the insults being slung at each other...

But that's humanity isn't it?... If you're wrong, I must be right... As opposed to we're both wrong and there is no right...
 
sea manup said:
where does everyone do this? show me one school shooting thread where people are not talking about how the white kid is the scum of the earth

do you know how many black men are brought in ALIVE by the police every day? stop taking a small number of examples and generalizing it to imply that cops are out there shooting to kill every black man they see

i dont know a single person who feels bad for a school shooter, i doubt you do either
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:lol: new york times homie...theres a pic somewhere on here "troubled teen" vs something more derogatory they said about mike brown cant remember what it was exactly. but its in new york times. thats just one of the many examples.
 
Edshoecator said:
 
Fox news was quick to throw him under the bus, bruh.

Inconsistent? By whose account? McCulloughs? 
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He CHOSE to believe who HE wanted to believe.

White construction workers weren't even subpoenaed 
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We all know Fox News isn't "fair and balanced". You said he was crucified by many news outlets because of his skin color - exaggerate much?

Inconsistent by the grand jury's findings.  The whole reason McCullough called a grand jury was so they could decide whether to indict, not him.
 
IlluminatiNYC said:
 
We all know Fox News isn't "fair and balanced". You said he was crucified by many news outlets because of his skin color - exaggerate much?

Inconsistent by the grand jury's findings.  The whole reason McCullough called a grand jury was so they could decide whether to indict, not him.
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The reason was because he was a cop.

McCullough has never indicted a cop, EVER.

McCullough being torn apart by every lawyer in the country should lend credence to the fact that he acted as a defense lawyer for DW.

Let me also apologize for the name calling....I'm just pissed by a lot of the comments. Having visited and speaking to his mom when I was there makes it something that hits home.
 
i want to know what you think transpired, play by play. just saying "fear" doesn't paint a picture. That could mean that he rolled up on them, they looked at him, he became "fearful" and started shooting. I know you don't believe that. I want to know exactly what role you think MB played in the scenario. Do you think he was compliant? Do you think he responded? I want to know exactly what you think provoked DW to shoot.
 
MrWavez said:
 
sea manup said:
where does everyone do this? show me one school shooting thread where people are not talking about how the white kid is the scum of the earth

do you know how many black men are brought in ALIVE by the police every day? stop taking a small number of examples and generalizing it to imply that cops are out there shooting to kill every black man they see

i dont know a single person who feels bad for a school shooter, i doubt you do either
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new york times homie...theres a pic somewhere on here "troubled teen" vs something more derogatory they said about mike brown cant remember what it was exactly. but its in new york times. thats just one of the many examples.
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and those articles are stupid and pointless.

i dont think ive ever met anyone who defends a school shooter, maybe you guys have but i doubt it

the media will always sensationalize things to create a better story, from "troubled teen" to making mike brown out to be some innocent black kid. did he deserve to die? of course not. should the cop face charges for doing the shooting? of course. but the whole making this guy out to be someone better than the scum that he was just to create a better story is something the media does for both white and black criminals and victims 
 
Edshoecator said:
The reason was because he was a cop.

McCullough has never indicted a cop, EVER.

McCullough being torn apart by every lawyer in the country should lend credence to the fact that he acted as a defense lawyer for DW.

Let me also apologize for the name calling....I'm just pissed by a lot of the comments. Having visited and speaking to his mom when I was there makes it something that hits home.
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I think there's a lot more publicity on the lawyers who are speaking out. I am surrounded by lawyers and I think the sentiment is 50/50 that the decision made by the grand jury is correct.

And even among the 50% that think the matter should have at least gone to trial, no one thinks DW would have ultimately gotten convicted. It would've been a bloody disaster in the court room and everyone's testimony would've gotten tossed. Neither side seemed to have their story straight.
 
ThEPoiNTGoD said:
I think there's a lot more publicity on the lawyers who are speaking out. I am surrounded by lawyers and I think the sentiment is 50/50 that the decision made by the grand jury is correct.

And even among the 50% that think the matter should have at least gone to trial, no one thinks DW would have ultimately gotten convicted. It would've been a bloody disaster in the court room and everyone's testimony would've gotten tossed. Neither side seemed to have their story straight.
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The Brown family should have at least gotten that 50% though.

I think DW story would have been torn to pieces on that stand.

The reality is an unarmed boy was killed and nothing was done about it.

Just sad.
 
ThEPoiNTGoD said:
I think there's a lot more publicity on the lawyers who are speaking out. I am surrounded by lawyers and I think the sentiment is 50/50 that the decision made by the grand jury is correct.

And even among the 50% that think the matter should have at least gone to trial, no one thinks DW would have ultimately gotten convicted. It would've been a bloody disaster in the court room and everyone's testimony would've gotten tossed. Neither side seemed to have their story straight.
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I'm a lawyer myself and based on what I've reviewed of the grand jury evidence, I think Darren Wilson should have at least been indicted for involuntary manslaughter.  However, given the numerous inconsistent statements given by witnesses, I think he would have ultimately been acquitted.  
 
Edshoecator said:
The Brown family should have at least gotten that 50% though.

I think DW story would have been torn to pieces on that stand.

The reality is an unarmed boy was killed and nothing was done about it.

Just sad.
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Yeah I think everyone's story would have gotten torn to shreds though, not just DWs. I think everyone's account was just wildly unreliable, from DW to the other eyewitnesses.

The ballistics reports would have made it in and those alone appear to heavily favor DW.
 
Lawyer here. I think the chances of DW getting convicted in court were slim due to a number of things, including some well-planned tactics by the Ferguson police department. However, there was MORE than enough to warrant a trial, had the prosecutor done his job.

I've seen quite a few of you in here going over all the details and debating guilt and innocence. This isn't about whether or not DW is guilty or innocent. It's about not having the chance to find out.
 
sooperhooper said:
i want to know what you think transpired, play by play. just saying "fear" doesn't paint a picture. That could mean that he rolled up on them, they looked at him, he became "fearful" and started shooting. I know you don't believe that. I want to know exactly what role you think MB played in the scenario. Do you think he was compliant? Do you think he responded? I want to know exactly what you think provoked DW to shoot.
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I believe DW, in the manner than many officers approach black youth, tried to show his power and it escalated it from there with DW being the aggressor. 

Once MB ran he should have radio'd for help, gotten in his car and arrested him after giving chase.

DW said he knew he hit him twice, so you know 1. he's injured, 2. he's unarmed.

Why do you think DW was in his rights to chase him with gunfire?
 
RavageBX said:
 
Lawyer here. I think the chances of DW getting convicted in court were slim due to a number of things, including some well-planned tactics by the Ferguson police department. However, there was MORE than enough to warrant a trial, had the prosecutor done his job.

I've seen quite a few of you in here going over all the details and debating guilt and innocence. This isn't about whether or not DW is guilty or innocent. It's about not having the chance to find out.
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Thats all WE wanted. A CHANCE.

Reps your way.
 
RavageBX said:
Lawyer here. I think the chances of DW getting convicted in court were slim due to a number of things, including some well-planned tactics by the Ferguson police department. However, there was MORE than enough to warrant a trial, had the prosecutor done his job.

I've seen quite a few of you in here going over all the details and debating guilt and innocence. This isn't about whether or not DW is guilty or innocent. It's about not having the chance to find out.
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I was actually pro-trial until I heard an interesting quadbox argument on CNN last night (around 9 p.m. last night) where they had two prosecutors going at it and one of them made the point that there's no point in going to trial if the grand jury can't even indict with all the evidence that would otherwise be inadmissible in regular court (keeping in mind that the protracted grand jury process really allowed everything to surface).
 
IlluminatiNYC said:
 
I'm a lawyer myself and based on what I've reviewed of the grand jury evidence, I think Darren Wilson should have at least been indicted for involuntary manslaughter.  However, given the numerous inconsistent statements given by witnesses, I think he would have ultimately been acquitted.  
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Do we get NT discount retainers?
 
RavageBX said:
 
Lawyer here. I think the chances of DW getting convicted in court were slim due to a number of things, including some well-planned tactics by the Ferguson police department. However, there was MORE than enough to warrant a trial, had the prosecutor done his job.

I've seen quite a few of you in here going over all the details and debating guilt and innocence. This isn't about whether or not DW is guilty or innocent. It's about not having the chance to find out.
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Let me ask you this, assuming DW was indicted and ultimate acquitted after trial, do you think the public response would have been the same or different?
 
ThEPoiNTGoD said:
 
RavageBX said:
Lawyer here. I think the chances of DW getting convicted in court were slim due to a number of things, including some well-planned tactics by the Ferguson police department. However, there was MORE than enough to warrant a trial, had the prosecutor done his job.

I've seen quite a few of you in here going over all the details and debating guilt and innocence. This isn't about whether or not DW is guilty or innocent. It's about not having the chance to find out.
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I was actually pro-trial until I heard an interesting quadbox argument on CNN last night (around 9 p.m. last night) where they had two prosecutors going at it and one of them made the point that there's no point in going to trial if the grand jury can't even indict with all the evidence that would otherwise be inadmissible in regular court (keeping in mind that the protracted grand jury process really allowed everything to surface).
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The grand jury had enough to indict. The prosecutor presented the case in a shoddy manner. An expert cross-examination of DW could've easily unraveled many sticking points in his story. 
 
Even if you believe every single thing about DW's story, that still does not justify shooting an unarmed person.

You do not kill someone who punches you, you arrest them for assault of a police officer.

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Dude would have resisted arrest which would have led to some kind of shot fired off anyway.

Cops are trigger happy in situations like this. Politically right, morally wrong.
 
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heLiumcLinton said:
Even if you believe every single thing about DW's story, that still does not justify shooting an unarmed person.

You do not kill someone who punches you, you arrest them for assault of a police officer.

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I think thats where all my frustration comes from...he's unarmed.

They believe this mythology of MB being the second coming of Hercules.
 
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ThEPoiNTGoD said:
IlluminatiNYC said:
Let me ask you this, assuming DW was indicted and ultimate acquitted after trial, do you think the public response would have been the same or different?
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This is the biggest question. I personally think the result might have been worse.
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I think the response would be more hurt than upset if there was a trial

Right now we are upset because we feel duped, that wasn't a fair indictment trial. This was a set up from jump with this prosecutor.

If we were allowed to follow the trial and feel like all the evidence and witnesses were presented fairly and truly left in the jury's hands we would be more hurt then upset
 
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