Police Kill Unarmed Teen In Ferguson, Missouri

Hand2HandKing said:
No one is saying that but we as a black community need to generalizing and lumping all police officers into the same category. Man this world is ****** up. We all have to do our part to not add to the problems.
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so its better to just chalk it up to generalizations like well, theyre not all bad, instead of focusing on the ones that are?

the injustice is that we lump all cops into one group which isnt accurate of all of them

doesnt that sound familiar, except that its a race of people
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I feel you bruh

So what do we keep going tick for tact with the other team. Brother there is injustice everywhere in this "free and equal" country. My point all along is that we need to stop worrying so much about what bad cops are doing and focused on creating change in our own community. Racism is alive and prevalent in this country and will never go away, that's a fact. We can't change that but what we can do is change the way we think. I know I am going off in another direction but I am a student of our great Black leaders and believe that all things can change with education and unity.
 
Jewbacca2 said:
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Not a chance.

It's certaintly not motive.

And state of mind is not a character evidence exception.

Any showing of the attack would be way too prejudicial. That's exaclty what character evidence prevents.
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OK law student 101. Thanks for regurgitating the FRE.

Prejudicial against what? You're forgetting the case that would be brought is not against MB, but the state prosecuting DW as to whether DW was justified in his actions. There has nothing to do with character evidence against MB. MB isn't on the stand, nor is he at trial. It's introduced as evidence of the mindset of MB during that day and during the interaction and the resulting actions thereafter.

It's not being used to judge his "character" but used to chain together the events of that day and his mindset immediately preceding the first interaction.
 
ThEPoiNTGoD said:
 
Jewbacca2 said:
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Not a chance.

It's certaintly not motive.

And state of mind is not a character evidence exception.

Any showing of the attack would be way too prejudicial. That's exaclty what character evidence prevents.
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OK law student 101. Thanks for regurgitating the FRE.

Prejudicial against what? You're forgetting the case that would be brought is not against MB, but the state prosecuting DW as to whether DW was justified in his actions. There has nothing to do with character evidence against MB. MB isn't on the stand, nor is he at trial. It's introduced as evidence of the mindset of MB during that day and during the interaction and the resulting actions thereafter.

It's not being used to judge his "character" but used to chain together the events of that day and his mindset immediately preceding the first interaction.
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"Thanks for regurgitating the FRE."

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We discussed the admissibility of the video throughly in class.

Brown's charcter as the victim is still an issue.

The defense of the officer couldn't even offer the video as evidence unless Brown's charcter was opened by the prosector in the first place.
 
Hand2HandKing said:
Mac4167 said:
 
[thread="603342"]Racism is alive and prevalent in this country and will never go away, that's a fact. [/thread]
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i cant accept this.

if you follow this through, what youre saying is no matter how much every single last person improves themseleves for the benefit of impressing white people, it will never be enough.
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Well then the question becomes, what are we going to do about it? What are we gonna teach our kids? When will the time come that we as a black community put value on the life of our black brothers and sisters and stop killing them in the streets. When are we gonna stop degrading women, stay in our kids lives and stop committing foolish crimes? I'm a young dude and I hope I can live to see a day when WE value the lives our own as much as we demand others to.

Instead of us complaining about an oppressive system, why don't we groom our own leaders and put them in positions to make change? Why don't we, instead of constantly blaming white police officers for everything, why don't we encourage more brothers to join the police force in our own neighborhoods?

I will not accept the fact that racism is alive and prevailant but until we come together and take the next step... It will continue to be what it is. Nothing will be given to us and rioting and looting will not speed things up. Change will come through education. ThIs isn't new... Our leaders have been saying this for years... We just need to listen
 
Jewbacca2 said:
We discussed the admissibility of the video throughly in class.

Brown's charcter as the victim is still an issue.

The defense of the officer couldn't even offer the video as evidence unless Brown's charcter was opened by the prosector in the first place.
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I'm repeating this AGAIN. Evidence can be introduced for many different purposes, ONE of which is as evidence of one's character. It would NOT be introduced for purposes of MB's character.
 
ThEPoiNTGoD said:
I'm repeating this AGAIN. Evidence can be introduced for many different purposes, ONE of which is as evidence of one's character. It would NOT be introduced for purposes of MB's character.
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Then as the defense, how would you specifically go about getting it in without having it objected to as charcter evidence?
 
Jewbacca2 said:
We discussed the admissibility of the video throughly in class.

Brown's charcter as the victim is still an issue.

The defense of the officer couldn't even offer the video as evidence unless Brown's charcter was opened by the prosector in the first place.
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I don't know Mizzou law, but in some states (like Illinois which is a ****** jurisdiction but similar to some other midwestern states) if the defendant claims self defense like Wilson prob would in a criminal trial, he'd argue that Brown had a history of violence and submit the tape as evidence. He'd say he heard there was a strong-arm robbery and Brown was the chief suspect and he had knowledge of that fact.

Where it gets tricky though is

A. the chief said Wilson didn't know about the robbery, so his later statement that he did would get torn apart in cross-examination and

B. we know neither Wilson nor any other officer had time to see the surveillance footage from the store at that point, so he couldn't have had it in his mind when confronting Brown and

C. If he claims he did see the tape, then it would go against his argument that he thought Brown may have been armed. Even though he also admitted in his testimony that he wasn't even thinking about whether Brown was armed or not.

The video is also wildly prejudicial and probably wouldn't be admissible. What exactly does it prove? That Brown was big and a bully? OK.

Wilson didn't know that. He couldn't have known that.

Lol at smart dumb dude that said "motive" though. Motive for what? (I know what you're gonna say
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ThEPoiNTGoD said:
 
Jewbacca2 said:
We discussed the admissibility of the video throughly in class.

Brown's charcter as the victim is still an issue.

The defense of the officer couldn't even offer the video as evidence unless Brown's charcter was opened by the prosector in the first place.
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I'm repeating this AGAIN. Evidence can be introduced for many different purposes, ONE of which is as evidence of one's character. It would NOT be introduced for purposes of MB's character.
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Stop.
 
Mac4167 said:
 
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again it is not on black people to cowtow to people that hate them

the issues that you point to, violence, sexism, family and crime are not specific to black people only

placing the onus on "leaders" to change things, joining the police, these are not necessary to be treated fairly

it is not because you view black people a certain way that it justifies the treatment we have received
 
Mac4167 said:
Well then the question becomes, what are we going to do about it? What are we gonna teach our kids? When will the time come that we as a black community put value on the life of our black brothers and sisters and stop killing them in the streets. When are we gonna stop degrading women, stay in our kids lives and stop committing foolish crimes? I'm a young dude and I hope I can live to see a day when WE value the lives our own as much as we demand others to.

Instead of us complaining about an oppressive system, why don't we groom our own leaders and put them in positions to make change? Why don't we, instead of constantly blaming white police officers for everything, why don't we encourage more brothers to join the police force in our own neighborhoods?

I will not accept the fact that racism is alive and prevailant but until we come together and take the next step... It will continue to be what it is. Nothing will be given to us and rioting and looting will not speed things up. Change will come through education. ThIs isn't new... Our leaders have been saying this for years... We just need to listen
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I'll never accept what you're saying.

The people that often fight oppression and the people that educate themselves on the oppressive systems aren't the ones degrading women, murdering, committing crimes, etc. Acting like it's one or the other is stupid. You can complain about injustice WHILE trying to better yourself and your community. You can point out the obvious flaws in the system that hold people back while succeeding and moving forward.

Yeah, there are problems in the community but there are also LARGE problems at the top. Those racist, ruthless white people in positions of powers are often causes for the REALLY bad communities with high crime rates. Those communities don't just randomly turn into places filled with gang and crime. A lot goes into that. It"s a two way problem. At the bottom - with the people. And at the top - with those in positions of power. Ignoring one or the other is doing a great disservice to the movement. Thats what you're doing. Deflecting.
 
Jewbacca2 said:
 
ThEPoiNTGoD said:
I'm repeating this AGAIN. Evidence can be introduced for many different purposes, ONE of which is as evidence of one's character. It would NOT be introduced for purposes of MB's character.
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Then as the defense, how would you specifically go about getting it in without having it objected to as charcter evidence?
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Dude, stop engaging him, he's talking nonsense
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Is there any truth to the story that Brown paid for the cigarillos but just refused to show his ID? Thats why the dude grabbed him.
 
Nako XL said:
Lol at smart dumb dude that said "motive" though. Motive for what? (I know what you're gonna say :smile: )
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I don't know why you're personally attacking me when I'm trying to explain to you why the tape would be admissible. If you don't want to hear me spit the truth, you can just mute me. I have no skin in this game, I'm just trying to inform you of why something is the way it is.
 
ThEPoiNTGoD said:
I don't know why you're personally attacking me when I'm trying to explain to you why the tape would be admissible. If you don't want to hear me spit the truth, you can just mute me. I have no skin in this game, I'm just trying to inform you of why something is the way it is.
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But you're wrong about one of the most basic things in eveidence.
 
From watching the video it looked like he didn't have time to react. They just roll up and next thing you see he falls to the ground.
 
ThEPoiNTGoD said:
 
Nako XL said:
Lol at smart dumb dude that said "motive" though. Motive for what? (I know what you're gonna say
smile.gif
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I don't know why you're personally attacking me when I'm trying to explain to you why the tape would be admissible. If you don't want to hear me spit the truth, you can just mute me. I have no skin in this game, I'm just trying to inform you of why something is the way it is.
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You're not explaining anything to me though and that's my point. Trust me.

And what you're saying is not the truth.
ThEPoiNTGoD said:
 
Jewbacca2 said:
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Not a chance.

It's certaintly not motive.

And state of mind is not a character evidence exception.

Any showing of the attack would be way too prejudicial. That's exaclty what character evidence prevents.
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OK law student 101. Thanks for regurgitating the FRE.

Prejudicial against what? You're forgetting the case that would be brought is not against MB, but the state prosecuting DW as to whether DW was justified in his actions. There has nothing to do with character evidence against MB. MB isn't on the stand, nor is he at trial. It's introduced as evidence of the mindset of MB during that day and during the interaction and the resulting actions thereafter.

It's not being used to judge his "character" but used to chain together the events of that day and his mindset immediately preceding the first interaction.
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ThEPoiNTGoD said:
 
Jewbacca2 said:
We discussed the admissibility of the video throughly in class.

Brown's charcter as the victim is still an issue.

The defense of the officer couldn't even offer the video as evidence unless Brown's charcter was opened by the prosector in the first place.
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I'm repeating this AGAIN. Evidence can be introduced for many different purposes, ONE of which is as evidence of one's character. It would NOT be introduced for purposes of MB's character.
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Those two highlighted statements directly contradict each other.

Are you introducing it as character evidence against Michael Brown or not.

Evidence of his motive? What?

And if not as evidence of Brown's character then what exactly would you get the video in as? What purpose would it serve other than to be prejudicial.

Your failure to understand what Jewbacca is saying is why I asked you, where you get your law degree at doe?
 
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Nako XL said:
You're not explaining anything to me though and that's my point. Trust me.

And what you're saying is not the truth.



Those two highlighted statements directly contradict each other.

Are you introducing it as character evidence against Michael Brown or not.

Evidence of his motive? What?

And if not as evidence of Brown's character then what exactly would you get the video in as? What purpose would it serve other than to be prejudicial.

Your failure to understand what Jewbacca is saying is why I asked you, where you get your law degree at doe?
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Evidence of one's mindset for his actions and evidence of one's character are NOT THE SAME THING. If you really want to know my credentials, PM me.

While I'm sure you may not care, I am also in a room of four lawyers drinking beers right now, all of whom agree with my analysis (though after some explanation).
 
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