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black father killed by police in a local walmart while holding a toy gun.
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Ok just read the CBS story which contains more detail. First off RIP to that woman who collapsed and died later on. This article answered my question about the guns being packaged. Apparently he took the gun out of the packaging and was pointing it at children and customers in the store
Not saying he deserved to die, but he invited that entire situation to his front door. The story still doesn't say what the dialogue was between the cops and the victim, only that they told him to put the gun down and then two shots were fired. Did he point the gun at them also? Did he refuse to put it down? Were they too quick on the draw and didn't give him enough time to put it down?
This is what we need to know.
Luckily every Wal-Mart has security cameras so the truth will come out
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I dont believe the he was walking thru the aisle pretending to rob or threaten ppl and kids. Every walmart has surveillance cameras throughout the store. To nip this in the bud they could (omit the part of the cops shooting the man) but just show the part were he was waving the gun etc... Hell in a time when ppl snap take photos/videos of any and everything.. No cellphone footage etc has surfaced.
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damn...
"According to WHIO, 37-year-old Angela D. Williams was at the store at the time and collapsed while running away from the situation. She was taken to the hospital and pronounced dead. The coroner's office reported that Williams had a medical condition which was the cause of her death. The woman's coworkers told the station she was to be married on Saturday."
so TWO people died.
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If the underlined portions are true, then son was wildin. They also said that he was poimting thegun at people/children thatwere walking by. I definitely want to know what took place between the time the coos arrived and when he was shot. There has to be surveillance footage.
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If the underlined portions are true, then son was wildin. They also said that he was poimting thegun at people/children thatwere walking by. I definitely want to know what took place between the time the coos arrived and when he was shot. There has to be surveillance footage.
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What Walmart's do you go to where people are pointing guns at each other?
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He had an unloaded air rifle in a toy store.... yet it's okay for the cops to take his life...................
Had this guy been white Nobody would have even called authorities, but yea waving an air rifle surely should come with the consequence of losing your life.
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By guns do you acknowledge we are talking about toy guns which you are supposed to do with.
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Walmart is a toy store now? He opened up the toy in the store, in a public place and thought that was ok? Why is a grown man walking around pointing it at people? Common sense has to be used sometimes in a society where we as blacks are being killed for the smallest things
People do this all the time in Walmart and DONT GET KILLED
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You're suppose to point toy guns at random people? Sit down
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Sad situation all around, especially for the woman.
Air pump rifle ain't a toy though
Air pump rifle ain't a toy though
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some of you dudes are tring to damn hard to justify dudes actions (if true)
but still im pretty sure it could have ended differently
nobody does that anywhere
but ill wait until more comes out about the story
but still im pretty sure it could have ended differently
nobody does that anywhere
but ill wait until more comes out about the story
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The question at hand here is do ya'll HONESTLY believe that the cops felt their lives were in danger knowing that this man was walking around with a toy gun. It's nothing but "Gossip" that this man was pointing anything towards anybody and yet instead of waiting they fired off on him.
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no they dont fam
I kinda think this does come down to a race case tho. Ohio has open carry. Why did the couple think this guy was more threatening?
Found this doc
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/cinc...ff-legality-regarding-open-carry-firearm-ohio
From another police dept
In the July 3, 2012 Cincinnati Police Department Staff Notes, CPD Chief James E. Craig took the opportunity to inform his department on the law regarding open carry of a firearm in Ohio.
From the document:
3. LAW DEPARTMENT MEMO ON OPEN CARRY OF A FIREARM IN OHIO
Ohio law permits the open carry of a firearm with few exceptions. Citizens may openly carry firearms in public places unless there is a specific prohibition against carrying a firearm in that place (police station, school safety zone, courthouse, etc.).
Since Cleveland v. State of Ohio, 2010-Ohio-6318, regulation of the "ownership, possession, purchase, other acquisition, transport, storage, carrying, sale, or other transfer of firearms, their components, and their ammunition" is only done by state and federal law. Local municipal laws may only regulate the discharge of firearms. Therefore, officers should not charge individuals with violations of the Cincinnati Municipal Code unless the ordinance deals with the discharge of a firearm.
Many people worry when they see someone openly carrying a gun. Officers can expect to receive calls when this happens. But, openly carrying a firearm, by itself, is not illegal. The fact that someone has called 911 or flagged down an officer about seeing someone with a gun in public is probably not enough to support an investigative detention. In such situations, an officer must observe the subject and evaluate the totality of circumstances to determine whether reasonable suspicion exists to justify detaining the individual. If the individual is doing nothing else that arouses suspicion, simply wearing a gun will not justify a detention.
It is important to note, open carry by itself also would not support a charge of Disorderly Conduct or Inducing Panic. There must be additional facts to support these offenses. If someone is lawfully carrying a firearm—and doing nothing else— the fact that it causes alarm to others does not support a charge.
Equally important, before you charge someone with a violation of Ohio Revised Code (ORC) 2921.29, Failure to Disclose Personal Information (also referred to as the "Stop and I.D." law), you first must have reasonable suspicion that person has, is, or is about to commit a criminal offense. The "Stop and I.D." law does not apply unless you already have a valid investigative detention of the person – and open carry by itself is not enough. Citizens may ignore your request for information during a consensual encounter, so you may only charge a citizen with a violation of ORC 2921.29 when they are legally detained.
Private businesses or property owners may prohibit all firearms on their property. They may post signs prohibiting firearms or they may order a person to leave for such behavior. Criminal Trespass is the appropriate charge if a person is on private property in violation of such a prohibition.
- See more at: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/cinc...-open-carry-firearm-ohio#sthash.Q2YdH7sG.dpuf
Did the police give him enough time to comply? If you back is turned and your holding a gun and somebody says freeze, don't you turn?
Found this doc
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/cinc...ff-legality-regarding-open-carry-firearm-ohio
From another police dept
In the July 3, 2012 Cincinnati Police Department Staff Notes, CPD Chief James E. Craig took the opportunity to inform his department on the law regarding open carry of a firearm in Ohio.
From the document:
3. LAW DEPARTMENT MEMO ON OPEN CARRY OF A FIREARM IN OHIO
Ohio law permits the open carry of a firearm with few exceptions. Citizens may openly carry firearms in public places unless there is a specific prohibition against carrying a firearm in that place (police station, school safety zone, courthouse, etc.).
Since Cleveland v. State of Ohio, 2010-Ohio-6318, regulation of the "ownership, possession, purchase, other acquisition, transport, storage, carrying, sale, or other transfer of firearms, their components, and their ammunition" is only done by state and federal law. Local municipal laws may only regulate the discharge of firearms. Therefore, officers should not charge individuals with violations of the Cincinnati Municipal Code unless the ordinance deals with the discharge of a firearm.
Many people worry when they see someone openly carrying a gun. Officers can expect to receive calls when this happens. But, openly carrying a firearm, by itself, is not illegal. The fact that someone has called 911 or flagged down an officer about seeing someone with a gun in public is probably not enough to support an investigative detention. In such situations, an officer must observe the subject and evaluate the totality of circumstances to determine whether reasonable suspicion exists to justify detaining the individual. If the individual is doing nothing else that arouses suspicion, simply wearing a gun will not justify a detention.
It is important to note, open carry by itself also would not support a charge of Disorderly Conduct or Inducing Panic. There must be additional facts to support these offenses. If someone is lawfully carrying a firearm—and doing nothing else— the fact that it causes alarm to others does not support a charge.
Equally important, before you charge someone with a violation of Ohio Revised Code (ORC) 2921.29, Failure to Disclose Personal Information (also referred to as the "Stop and I.D." law), you first must have reasonable suspicion that person has, is, or is about to commit a criminal offense. The "Stop and I.D." law does not apply unless you already have a valid investigative detention of the person – and open carry by itself is not enough. Citizens may ignore your request for information during a consensual encounter, so you may only charge a citizen with a violation of ORC 2921.29 when they are legally detained.
Private businesses or property owners may prohibit all firearms on their property. They may post signs prohibiting firearms or they may order a person to leave for such behavior. Criminal Trespass is the appropriate charge if a person is on private property in violation of such a prohibition.
- See more at: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/cinc...-open-carry-firearm-ohio#sthash.Q2YdH7sG.dpuf
Did the police give him enough time to comply? If you back is turned and your holding a gun and somebody says freeze, don't you turn?
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The only proof that he was pointing it at people so far is the word of 2 people. For all we know, he could've been walking and messing with it and it just LOOKED like he was pointing it at people. I mean, when carrying a rifle, it has to point somewhere right???
Sometimes when we already have our minds made up about someone or their intent, our eyes see threats that aren't really there.
All that said, buddy should've known better. As a black man, you gotta know doing **** like this can be perceived as a threat. It isn't fair that things are that way and it's really sad that we have to think this way, but it is what it is.
Sometimes when we already have our minds made up about someone or their intent, our eyes see threats that aren't really there.
All that said, buddy should've known better. As a black man, you gotta know doing **** like this can be perceived as a threat. It isn't fair that things are that way and it's really sad that we have to think this way, but it is what it is.
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IDK
maybe its the whole pointing it at people thing
especailly given the fact that the laws permits carrying
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Type of dude to open chips and start eating before paying for him
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If he was waving it and pointing the BB gun at people there should be video of it. This makes no sense.
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How real did this rifle look?...usually the BB guns are behind a locked glass case, this **** probably looked fake from a distance, cops shouldn't be given live ammo....give them rubber bullets...they are incompetent
Yeah they do I have worked retail for years and people pop stuff open point play shoot eat whatever.
the problem was threat assessment wasn't properly utilized.
I see somebody drunk we call the cops and tell them ALL the info
If the store failed to identify that it was an AIR rifle then that probably played into the cops heightened fear.
the problem was threat assessment wasn't properly utilized.
I see somebody drunk we call the cops and tell them ALL the info
If the store failed to identify that it was an AIR rifle then that probably played into the cops heightened fear.
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Man y'all reaching hard for this one. When the police come and you're holding something that looks like a gun and point it at people like its a gun, I think they'll think it's a gun. Might just be me
