Black Culture Discussion Thread

[gwap]

That malcolm article has alot of good in it... but elijah Muhammad was a corrupt leader and the whole torah/bible/koran based understanding of the world is rediculous

 

[trynafeelmink]

Well our entire country is corrupt, our government, our cops, our law system, our media.......... and considering those ******* are the one who painted that picture **** them & anybody who sides with them.

I respect the man who wants to help me... I don't give a **** about religion, i care about good energy and positive motives..... Our country & Christianity denounce both of those things.

 

[luckyluchiano]

That malcolm article has alot of good in it... but elijah Muhammad was a corrupt leader and the whole torah/bible/koran based understanding of the world is rediculous

Corrupt how? The multiple wives thing has nothing to do with corruption,morals maybe but even that varies culturally.

 

[gwap]

He left the nation of Islam and denounced Elijah Muhammad... these peices being posted are praising Elijah and his separatist perspective...

I think it's sort of faulty to keep spreading these words 

 “I am not a racist... In the past I permitted myself to be used... to make sweeping indictments of all white people, the entire white race, and these generalizations have caused injuries to some whites who perhaps did not deserve to be hurt.  Because of the spiritual enlightenment which I was blessed to receive as the result of my recent pilgrimage to the Holy City of Mecca, I no longer subscribe to sweeping indictments of any one race.  I am now striving to live the life of a true Sunni Muslim.  I must repeat that I am not a racist nor do I subscribe to the tenets of racism.  I can state in all sincerity that I wish nothing but freedom, justice and equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people.”

 

[luckyluchiano]

He left the nation of Islam and denounced Elijah Muhammad... these peices being posted are praising Elijah and his separatist perspective...

I think it's sort of faulty to keep spreading these words 

Malcolm needed support of a broader audience when he left the nation, only reason he made the statements of there being "good muslims of all colors." Malcolm had countered White Muslims numerous times prior in his work traveling the world as a minister of the NOI. But anyways you are free to have your opinion.

 

[gwap]

Malcolm needed support of a broader audience when he left the nation, only reason he made the statements of there being "good muslims of all colors." Malcolm had countered White Muslims numerous times prior in his work traveling the world as a minister of the NOI. But anyways you are free to have your opinion.

Even if he wanted to praise the brotherhood of white muslims... his relationship to the NOI would not have allowed him to do so publicly without facing consequences...

Affiliation came with a cost.... obviously we know the price he paid at his last speech...

 

[trynafeelmink]

He left the nation of Islam and denounced Elijah Muhammad... these peices being posted are praising Elijah and his separatist perspective...

I think it's sort of faulty to keep spreading these words 

He didn't denounce Elijah or his separatist perspective, he just broadened the idea a bit more. Even in the initial article he spoke on not being enemies with anyone who supports the black man, White Muslims doing just that.

However he was still PASSIONATELY against anyone who kept traditional European ideals, because as these days are proving european ideals include terrorizing blacks

 

[luckyluchiano]

Even if he wanted to praise the brotherhood of white muslims... his relationship to the NOI would not have allowed him to do so publicly without facing consequences...

Affiliation came with a cost.... obviously we know the price he paid at his last speech...

let me guess "X" is where you got most of your info on Malcolm From. Malcolm was a victim of Cointelpro. Infiltrate an org, create confusion, use agents to take cats out. Elijah didn't have Malcolm X killed. But you are free to believe what you want.

 

[luckyluchiano]

 

[gwap]

NOI does not condone these ideals

This is not an expansion of NOI ideology... it's in direct opposition to them.

 

[luckyluchiano]

NOI does not condone these ideals

who cares about "good people of all colors" when these "good people" aren't calling out the system they benefit from? What good is marching with me, when you can dedicate your time around your direct peers who are racist and correcting their mindsets? Malcolm was for Separate but Equal until they killed him. I hate how you people twist his words and MLKs words.

 

[gwap]

who cares about "good people of all colors" when these "good people" aren't calling out the system they benefit from? What good is marching with me, when you can dedicate your time around your direct peers who are racist and correcting their mindsets? Malcolm was for Separate but Equal until they killed him. I hate how you people twist his words and MLKs words.

lol@seperate but equal.... that's a whiteman concept....

If you are EQUAL...then why does being separate even matter?

White people used the "seperate" part to make sure it was never equal....

read up on your history... why do you think he was killed AFTER leaving the NOI?

His reworked ideology had the ability to create more change to the system than the NOI

he BECAME dangerous.... 

 

[luckyluchiano]

lol@seperate but equal.... that's a whiteman concept....

If you are EQUAL...then why does being separate even matter?

White people used the "seperate" part to make sure it was never equal....

read up on your history... why do you think he was killed AFTER leaving the NOI?

His reworked ideology had the ability to create more change to the system than the NOI

he BECAME dangerous.... 

LOL, only thing that integrated was the black mans dollar into everyone else pocket. I`m just going to end this convo here, because anything more will derail the thread, and you don't seem to be well in formed on Malcolm nor the NOI. Peace.

 

[gwap]

LOL, only thing that integrated was the black mans dollar into everyone else pocket. I`m just going to end this convo here, because anything more will derail the thread, and you don't seem to be well in formed on Malcolm nor the NOI. Peace.

Oh... that's right... you're the one who advocates for the return of Segregation... because black people can't control their spending habits like Koreans, chinese, japanese, indian, etc communities in america right? 

We need to be told we can't go outside our community in order to force us to support black business... this is how you view separate but equal....we have gone over this before.

 

[luckyluchiano]

Spikes new Flick. Trailer doesn't reveal anything, but its a story about Vampires & the Black Elite and the literal and metaphorical thirst for "blood"

 

[gwap]

you're an idiot LOL. God Bless.

we can agree to disagree but insults are not needed

 

[luckyluchiano]

we can agree to disagree but insults are not needed

I don't agree to disagree with you because you aren't informed on the topic you're trying to speak of. Read the teachings of Marcus Garvey and Elijah Muhammad and not some wikis then report back. The statements you made were idiotic and show you lack understanding of the subject your speaking on. The "Segregation" and "Separate but Equal" being taught of the past leaders were that of Let Blacks have their own communities BUT have EQUAL ACCESS to ECONOMIC RESOURCES. WE ARE STILL SEGREGATED TO THIS DAY. Don't think because you can smash a White woman you are living MLKs dream. Elijah and Marcus taught only Blacks can fix their internal issue, so at least give a fair chance to compete THEN we will worry about mixing communities. MLK said himself What Good is Integration if the Black man cannot even afford to buy a Coffee at the White business he fought so hard to be served at? Building black communities doesn't mean you can't be friends with non blacks, you're too old to be this damn ignorant.

 

[Quincy McCall]

I don't agree to disagree with you because you aren't informed on the topic you're trying to speak of. Read the teachings of Marcus Garvey and Elijah Muhammad and not some wikis then report back. The statements you made were idiotic and show you lack understanding of the subject your speaking on. The "Segregation" and "Separate but Equal" being taught of the past leaders were that of Let Blacks have their own communities BUT have EQUAL ACCESS to ECONOMIC RESOURCES. WE ARE STILL SEGREGATED TO THIS DAY. Don't think because you can smash a White woman you are living MLKs dream. Elijah and Marcus taught only Blacks can fix their internal issue, so at least give a fair chance to compete THEN we will worry about mixing communities. MLK said himself What Good is Integration if the Black man cannot even afford to buy a Coffee at the White business he fought so hard to be served at? Building black communities doesn't mean you can't be friends with non blacks, you're too old to be this damn ignorant.

The truth. repped and quoted for emphasis.

 

[gwap]

Let Blacks have their own communities BUT have EQUAL ACCESS to ECONOMIC RESOURCES. WE ARE STILL SEGREGATED TO THIS DAY. Don't think because you can smash a White woman you are living MLKs dream. Elijah and Marcus taught only Blacks can fix their internal issue, so at least give a fair chance to compete THEN we will worry about mixing communities. MLK said himself What Good is Integration if the Black man cannot even afford to buy a Coffee at the White business he fought so hard to be served at? Building black communities doesn't mean you can't be friends with non blacks, you're too old to be this damn ignorant.

so we are still segregated....and we don't have our own communities......

So why would indoctrinated segregation somehow bring equality?

The fight is for equality FIRST... the whole segregation issue is a distraction

Having the ability to integrate doesn't mean you have to... you can stay in black neighborhoods and goto mostly black schools... the issue is the equality of the opportunities in that neighborhood and the quality of the schools....

Looking to segregation as an answer doesn't make sense..... because as you said WE ARE STILL SEGREGATED

 

[Quincy McCall]

And that Spike film seems interesting, definitely will give it a chance when I have the time... glad he is still around and making real films

 

[luckyluchiano]

so we are still segregated....and we don't have our own communities......

So why would indoctrinated segregation somehow bring equality?

The fight is for equality FIRST... the whole segregation issue is a distraction

Having the ability to integrate doesn't mean you have to... you can stay in black neighborhoods and goto mostly black schools... the issue is the equality of the opportunities in that neighborhood and the quality of the schools....

Looking to segregation as an answer doesn't make sense..... because as you said WE ARE STILL SEGREGATED

its like you're purposefully ignoring my entire post. I'm convinced you're trying to deflect and derail the thread, continue to operate how you want, and me and others will do our thing. Peace.

 

[gwap]

its like you're purposefully ignoring my entire post. I'm convinced you're trying to deflect and derail the thread, continue to operate how you want, and me and others will do our thing. Peace.

It's like.... you don't even see how hypocritical your words are...

You say we should worry about solving problems internally - Agree

You say what good is it to attend white establishments if we don't have money - Agree

You say building the black community doesn't mean we can't have white friends - Agree

Then you get into the hypocritical: (paraphrasing)

"We are still segregated..... they won't let us have our own communities". - two statements that contradict.

"Only blacks can fix their communities.... so at least give a fair chance to compete then worry about mixing. "

are we supposed to reintroduce institutionalized segregation... then work towards equality...

then once we achieve equality we end institutionalized segregation again?

Who is worried about "mixing"????

Isn't everybody worried about equality in America?

You are so caught up in the rhetoric of the past, that you have adopted the political stance that existed before segregation ended.

 

[luckyluchiano]

It's like.... you don't even see how hypocritical your words are...

You say we should worry about solving problems internally - Agree
You say what good is it to attend white establishments if we don't have money - Agree
You say building the black community doesn't mean we can't have white friends - Agree

Then you get into the hypocritical: (paraphrasing)
"We are still segregated..... they won't let us have our own communities". - two statements that contradict.
"Only blacks can fix their communities.... so at least give a fair chance to compete then worry about mixing. "

are we supposed to reintroduce institutionalized segregation... then work towards equality...
then once we achieve equality we end institutionalized segregation again?
Who is worried about "mixing"????
Isn't everybody worried about equality in America?
You are so caught up in the rhetoric of the past, that you have adopted the political stance that existed before segregation ended.

We are separate but not equal, what is difficult to get about that? Because a very tiny number of blacks are allowed into the circles of whites does that mean MLKs dream was accomplished? The Integration plan of the past has failed us. If Economic Empowerment and Building up your community isn't the answer, what is? Like I said you're coming off as an Agent to throw this thread off. Keep your opinion, this discussion is over, not going to let you throw the vibe of the thread off. You don't even know what you want or are standing up for you're just deflecting things to cause confusion.

 

[gwap]

We are separate but not equal, what is difficult to get about that? Because a very tiny number of blacks are allowed into the circles of whites does that mean MLKs dream was accomplished? The Integration plan of the past has failed us. If Economic Empowerment and Building up your community isn't the answer, what is? Like I said you're coming off as an Agent to throw this thread off. Keep your opinion, this discussion is over, not going to let you throw the vibe of the thread off. You don't even know what you want or are standing up for you're just deflecting things to cause confusion.

1. We are separate but not equal - I already agreed on this

2. MLK's dream was not fully accomplished - I agree

3. The integration plan has failed us - I disagree... the integration plan was a single part of the larger picture. Equality being the number one goal. Integration was never supposed to be the end game

The only thing we disagree on is your focus on integration... I'm not really factoring integration into what I see as the current need for black political and economic unity... integration just gave us more options...it didn't force us to do anything.... it is what it is...

 

[trueprada]

RIP A.J. Cooper III.  Former host of TeenSummit & aspiring politician, died today at age 34.