Black Culture Discussion Thread

LuckyLuchiano said:
At the end of the day people like Jay and Beyonce need to move in silence point blank. No need to gloat about what you do, no other group does.
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I Completely understand why they do it at this point... because the talking heads who contribute nothing will blast them for "being opportunist" which is extremely backwards to me.

While we are on the topic, at his concert over the weekend Jay made a very clear point about the public's reaction to Tidal and people who are constantly bashing it mostly being black, yet those same black people don't show an ounce of the backlash towards the Major white owned companies.

I'm not here to discuss Tidal but moreso, why is it such an eagerness and celebration to see a business a black man created fail & be ridiculed for asking for support, while the same demographic openly supports companies who literally could careless if black people live or die.

Why is it such a push for blacks who aren't as affluent as others, to try and tear down our own ans support a white person
 
tyisny said:
I'm not here to discuss Tidal but moreso, why is it such an eagerness and celebration to see a business a black man created fail & be ridiculed for asking for support, while the same demographic openly supports companies who literally could careless if black people live or die.

Why is it such a push for blacks who aren't as affluent as others, to try and tear down our own ans support a white person
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i'm of the opinion that it is less about non-support/support than just the inertia of the status quo...then you have the celebrity factor & which leads to the predictable cycle of hype & spectacle, then the backlash to the hype, and the backlash to the backlash; then add in the fact that it is jay-z and there is another level of cynicism sprinkled in because of his reputation of jay being a rather calculating (and not that is not necessarily seen as a positive thing) businessman and you get a picture of why there is much criticism lobbed his way no matter what the endeavor...

in comparison to most any other business that doesn't have a face (that face could be specific; i.e. a person(s), or general; an ethnicity or maybe even corporation-depending on reputation), it has a much more diffuse influence such that most are unable to, unaware how, or uninterested in sussing out the motives of every entity to which their money is spent...makes you wonder if there where some more transparency to who own actually owns what and how that knowledge might change people's habits
 
tokes99 said:
i'm of the opinion that it is less about non-support/support than just the inertia of the status quo...then you have the celebrity factor & which leads to the predictable cycle of hype & spectacle, then the backlash to the hype, and the backlash to the backlash; then add in the fact that it is jay-z and there is another level of cynicism sprinkled in because of his reputation of jay being a rather calculating (and not that is not necessarily seen as a positive thing) businessman and you get a picture of why there is much criticism lobbed his way no matter what the endeavor...

in comparison to most any other business that doesn't have a face (that face could be specific; i.e. a person(s), or general; an ethnicity or maybe even corporation-depending on reputation), it has a much more diffuse influence such that most are unable to, unaware how, or uninterested in sussing out the motives of every entity to which their money is spent...makes you wonder if there where some more transparency to who own actually owns what and how that knowledge might change people's habits
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I agree that having someone who is a celebrity does add another notch to backlash. which is scary because A large portion of the people who are capable of creating big time successful black owned companies are people who have made money off of some kind of celebrity. it is very seldom that a young african American is in the position to create a business and not have every part of him questioned as opposed to a white counterpart, who is allowed to move in silence and continue to collect checks.

We hold black business to standards that we dont demand from businesses owned by other ethnicities.
 
Is tidal really doing bad or just not performing how they expect it to because Jay owns it?
 
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Frankly, Tidal offers the same product at a higher price than competitors. People are bashing it because it seems silly to pay for more for something for no logical reason. I don't think it has anything to do with holding Jay (and associates) to a higher standard.

Their only competitive advantage is so called "better quality". However, the vast majority of people are streaming through their cell phones and laptops with run of the mill headphones, so they wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyways.

A bunch of already rich people are pushing a product that's already widely available at double the price, of course there is gonna be public backlash.
 
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I knew i shouldnt have brought up anything involving Jay's name.... the question was to further examine why black people are so quick to dismiss any black business that comes up as opposed to a white one...

Although i think Tokes made a great point in "celebrity" being the catalyst for all the hate as opposed to the owners of all these brands who have probably done egregious things in business, however its always kept away from public knowledge or simply not discussed. As opposed to every little move someone like Jay/Ye/ Dame etc etc make.
 
malikdagoat said:
Frankly, Tidal offers the same product at a higher price than competitors. People are bashing it because it seems silly to pay for more for something for no logical reason. I don't think it has anything to do with holding Jay (and associates) to a higher standard.

Their only competitive advantage is so called "better quality". However, the vast majority of people are streaming through their cell phones and laptops with run of the mill headphones, so they wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyways.

A bunch of already rich people are pushing a product that's already widely available at double the price, of course there is gonna be public backlash.
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I could understand someone not waanting to support it if they don't agree with the business model (although those same people are usually consumers of SEVERAL other products which continually raise prices, sell you on celebrity, and invest Nothing in the black community, but that's an entirely different subject.

My problem is why everyone seems so interested to see the man's business fail. and it's not just him i here it when Diddy makes move, 50 makes moves, any affluent young black man with an ounce of fame is judged critically and hit with a magnitude of reasons why the black community shouldn't support them, but these same things aren't being done when a new company headed by a Caucasian is trying to gain support.

I guarantee when Apple drops it's service nobody is going to be doing background checks on what steve jobs has done for the black community, but they've gladly given up money for several iphones, Macs, headphones etc etc.

there's always a complaint when these black millionaires are trying to get richer, but nobody cares that these white billionaires are getting richer and could give two ***** less about the culture.
 
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malikdagoat said:
Frankly, Tidal offers the same product at a higher price than competitors. People are bashing it because it seems silly to pay for more for something for no logical reason. I don't think it has anything to do with holding Jay (and associates) to a higher standard.

Their only competitive advantage is so called "better quality". However, the vast majority of people are streaming through their cell phones and laptops with run of the mill headphones, so they wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyways.

A bunch of already rich people are pushing a product that's already widely available at double the price, of course there is gonna be public backlash.
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true, the fact that the product is really not all that differentiated does make it a bit hard to justify paying a 'premium' for it; herein lies the rub oft times with trying to decide between the efficiency/legacy/economies of scale of established players vs. challengers, who almost by default have to be upscale and niche to even be viable: does it really makes ¢ent$ to pay a premium for the notion of support, that is somewhat intangible, vs. very tangible knowledge that you are coming out your pockets by x amount of $ more than you had to?

tyisny said:
I could understand someone not waanting to support it if they don't agree with the business model (although those same people are usually consumers of SEVERAL other products which continually raise prices, sell you on celebrity, and invest Nothing in the black community, but that's an entirely different subject.

My problem is why everyone seems so interested to see the man's business fail. and it's not just him i here it when Diddy makes move, 50 makes moves, any affluent young black man with an ounce of fame is judged critically and hit with a magnitude of reasons why the black community shouldn't support them, but these same things aren't being done when a new company headed by a Caucasian is trying to gain support.

I guarantee when Apple drops it's service nobody is going to be doing background checks on what steve jobs has done for the black community, but they've gladly given up money for several iphones, Macs, headphones etc etc.

there's always a complaint when these black millionaires are trying to get richer, but nobody cares that these white billionaires are getting richer and could give two ***** less about the culture.
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i have to imagine that some of it is also due to the outsized personality of dudes like dame/diddy/50/ye, but you do actually see this type of thing with tech companies to a lesser extent, but i feel like it happens there too (the zuckerbergs, sergey brins, bill gates, and even Steve jobs got quite a bit of this backlash phenomenon too because they are such visible figures it kind of comes with the territory, and then there is a penalty being for being unapologetically capitalist, generally; which does feel like it is compounded for young black men, especially from the hip hop world
 
What do yall make of JASON BLACK AKA THE BLACK AUTHORITY?? Dude makes some good points but dude is really rude to people & most of the time it's uncalled for...I remember one of his shows he called one callers parents B******D BABY MAKERS I was blown away like this dude really going in on dudes parents.....I really don't think literally insulting people is constructive at all I respect the 7AM DOC but dude needs to check himself
 
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