Black Culture Discussion Thread

 
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sickle cell is a mutation that was made prevalent due to the evolutionary benefit of making the user nearly immune to malaria.....

This is a pre white colonization/industrialization phenomenon....

you really have no idea what you are talking about.....

Where is the source for albino animals being used exclusively for testing?

This is what I'm talking about... random unconfirmed "myths" being taken as the key to success
http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/15/science/in-albino-studies-scientists-search-for-pigment-error.html

MINNEAPOLIS BORN with a defective ability to form pigment, albinos are conspicuous people. Their whitish hair and skin and pale, squinting eyes often cause them to suffer more from social stigma than from their actual physical disabilities.

In the hope of someday allaying the social and physical handicaps of albinos, scientists at the University of Minnesota are unraveling the intricacies of pigment formation, looking for an understanding that may help them correct the genetic flaws that cause the disorder.

These defects afflict about one in 20,000 Americans, with the frequency higher in blacks than in whites. In all albinos, there is an absence or shortage of melanin, the pigment in skin that protects underlying cells and blood vessels from damage by ultraviolet radiation.

To add to their burdens, albinos are usually cross-eyed and myopic, and suffer from nystagmus, an uncontrolled movement of the eyeball. But though they have poor eyesight, contrary to popular impressions, they are neither blind nor ******ed. In fact, studies at the University of Minnesota have shown that, if anything, albinos tend to be ''overachievers,'' with intellectual accomplishments that surpass expectations based on tests of intellectual ability.

''Because of their visual handicaps, they can't play ball, ride bikes or watch television,'' said Dr. Richard King, a geneticist at the university, which operates the world's only clinic exclusively devoted to studying the causes and treatment of albinism. ''But they can see up close to read, so many overcompensate by becoming studious. We have albinos here who are in medical school, law school and graduate school.'' Albinism is nearly always inherited as a re cessive characteristic, which means that to become an albino a child has to inherit the same gene for albinism from each parent. A parent who carries a single albino gene would appear normal. When both pa rents are carriers for the same albino gene, each of their children has one chance in four of being an albino and one chance in two of b eing a carrier of the abnormal gene.

In this country, albinos have a normal life expectancy. But in Nigeria, where one in 1,100 is born an albino, these light-skinned people are subject to life-threatening skin cancers from exposure to the tropical sun. In cooperative studies with Nigerian physicians, the Minnesota researchers, headed by Dr. Carl Witkop, found that half the Ibo albinos, who live in what used to be Biafra, developed cancer by the age of 26 and none lived beyond 40.

While human albinos are often subject to jeers, albino animals - such as the white tiger, Himalayan rabbit and Siamese cat - are prized for their unusual coloring. Albino animals also tend to be docile and are preferred subjects in laboratory research.

The studies of albino humans at the University of Minnesota call into question the many animal experiments that have used albino mice and rats to explore learning theory and to test reactions to drugs and alcohol. Dr. King noted that the visual problems would impair performance on learning tests and albino animals do not respond to alcohol and drugs the way pigmented animals do.

The visual problems of albinos have been traced to the fact that their optic nerve fibers do not cross properly in the brain and many end up connected to the wrong side of the brain. Normally, some fibers cross to the opposite side of the brain, and the rest connect to the same side of the brain as the eye from which they emerge.

The albino pattern of a very large proportion of crossed fibers is typical of lower animals, like most birds and reptiles, that have eyes on the sides of their heads and panoramic vision rather than the forward-facing eyes and binocular vision typical of mammals. In effect, each side o f the brain only ''knows'' about the visual input from one eye, and so cannot properly integrate the two images to produce a bin ocular picture. Patterns Are Discovered

The eye tract patterns were deciphered by Dr. R. W. Guillery, a neurophysiologist at the University of Chicago, who has worked extensively with Siamese cats. These cats typically have blue eyes and are colored only at the outer reaches of their bodies -ears, tail, nose and paws. In the Siamese cat, the enzyme responsible for pigment formation is heat-sensitive, working only at the cooler extremities.

The optic tract abnormalities apparently result from a lack of pigment in crucial nerve cells during fetal development, Dr. King said. The Minnesota researchers recently showed that auditory pathways also develop abnormally probably because pigment is lacking in the inner ear.

Studying people with different hair colors, Dr. King and others have mapped out the biochemical pathway by which pigments form. And they have shown that at least 14 different defects can occur in this pathway to result in albinism.

Pigment formation begins with an amino acid called tyrosine, which is converted by the enzyme tyrosinase into other chemicals that ultimately form red-yellow or brown-black pigments. In some albinos, a complete absence of pigment results from a lack of tyrosinase. But in others less severely affected, the enzyme is present and the defect occurs further down in the pigment-forming pathway.

John Brumbaugh, a visiting scientist from the University of Nebraska, has taken the cells from albinos with different pigment defects, combined them in a test tube and shown that sometimes they compensate for each other's abnormality. According to Dr. Witkop, ''Biochemically, we can correct some defects in the test tube. We hope to determine if these methods can be used in the living person.''

In addition to helping albinos, Dr. King said the studies of how pigmentation occurs and how the process can go wrong may help in the diagnosis and treatment of other pigment disorders, including melanoma (pigmented skin cancer) and Addison's disease, an adrenal disorder in which the skin darkens.

In response to what I said about sickle cell, you took what I said out of context yet more or less still made my point for me. Your melanin is always going to create a biological response to outside threats. So yes it did come about in the way you mentioned, but how many Black people in America do you see exposed to Malaria still? And before you even say that it's genetic, how is a biomechanism intelligent enough to manipulate the celluar structure to prevent disease, but then not intelligent enough to restructure itself once the mechanism becomes self destructive? I'm sure you know this but cancer has consistently rose over the years, what's your justification for that?

Here's a good book to check out just in case you wanna understand how melanin works beyond the epidermis.

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So where are my random myths? Just cause you haven't put in the leg work don't underestimate the knowledge of those who have. And be realistic, it's been proven time and time again that the "powers to be" are waging war on the black family unit. It's not going to be easy at times to just google search things that would undermine a global structure of white supremacy. (No im not suggesting people just pull anything out of the air and act like its the gospel)

and to address your earlier statement about all the successful business men you know, say every black man in the world followed that plan and worked themselves into a position where everyone is a millionaire and wanted for nothing materialistically.... then what? 

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Calling a biomechanism intelligent is disingenuous.

That's like white people saying "our lack of melanin is an evolutionary adaptation to prevent vitamin d deficiency. This bio mechanism is intelligent so how come we don't just become malanized instead of sunburned when we stay in tropical climates. "

Rediculous.
Malaria is not a catalyst for sickle cell, the genetic predisposition is. If we didn't have modern healthcare. And malaria became a non factor in the world. Then obviously evolutionary pressure would be seen when those with sickle cell have higher death rates and the trait gets wiped out after thousands of years.

I'm on mobile, but I'll pull up more info on the albino animal theory you presented. I like that you back your claims with sources.
 
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The albino laboratory rat with its red eyes and white fur is an iconic model organism for scientific research in a variety of fields.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratory_rat
A laboratory rat is a rat of the species Rattus norvegicus (brown rat) which is bred and kept for scientific research. Laboratory rats have served as an important animal model for research in psychology, medicine, and other fields.
 
Calling a biomechanism intelligent is disingenuous.

That's like white people saying "our lack of melanin is an evolutionary adaptation to prevent vitamin d deficiency. This bio mechanism is intelligent so how come we don't just become malanized instead of sunburned when we stay in tropical climates. "

Rediculous.
Malaria is not a catalyst for sickle cell, the genetic predisposition is. If we didn't have modern healthcare. And malaria became a non factor in the world. Then obviously evolutionary pressure would be seen when those with sickle cell have higher death rates and the trait gets wiped out after thousands of years.

I'm on mobile, but I'll pull up more info on the albino animal theory you presented. I like that you back your claims with sources.
Speaking to your white people example is a difficult topic to discuss without being called a racist on NT. All I can say it's not by chance that the sun which gives all things life kills them. But then again that goes back to knowledge of self. If I was a white man i couldn't imagine living a life where are all the forces of nature and my entire psychology was constructed upon the opposition of nature.

Back to the malaria point, you're still making my point. Through our participation in modern health care we've subjected ourselves to a system that was designed to keep us at a deficit consistently. 

To give you the most simplest example I can think of at the moment. Most grocery stores have 3-4 isles of personal care products. Out of all that space in my experience, there's usually about a 5 ft long area dedicated to black personal care out of the entire 3-4 isles. Is it not plausible to think this thinking isn't isolated?
 
Calling a biomechanism intelligent is disingenuous.


Malaria is not a catalyst for sickle cell, the genetic predisposition is. If we didn't have modern healthcare. And malaria became a non factor in the world. Then obviously evolutionary pressure would be seen when those with sickle cell have higher death rates and the trait gets wiped out after thousands of years.

I'm on mobile, but I'll pull up more info on the albino animal theory you presented. I like that you back your claims with sources.

from my understanding i thought this was exactly the case, sickle cell was an adaptation to malaria, no? the predisposition was environmental not genetic and i don't know that sickle cell will ever be wiped out barring some type gene auditing/therapy, because so many are carriers...

All I can say it's not by chance that the sun which gives all things life kills them. But then again that goes back to knowledge of self. 

To give you the most simplest example I can think of at the moment. Most grocery stores have 3-4 isles of personal care products. Out of all that space in my experience, there's usually about a 5 ft long area dedicated to black personal care out of the entire 3-4 isles. Is it not plausible to think this thinking isn't isolated?

too much exposure to the sun will adversely effect MOST living things, melanin gives us additional protection of course but it is maybe overstated that darker skin isn't at risk to the same skin cancer(s) from exposure to the sun.

your example of grocery store aisle, if broken down to the product level, not sure the disparity is that great (beyond hair and maybe skin, what would be the items that constitute a black personal care product really?). and it would most likely vary greatly depending on the demographics of neighborhood(s) the grocery store(s) inhabited...you are definitely right that this thinking isn't isolated though, but not sure i'd attribute it to what you would attribute it to; if you look at the demographics of this country we make up anywhere from 13%-22% of the population, in a country that has its beginnings in & founded by white supremacy...now today the country is in a much better place but parity on that level wouldn't make economic sense, the question is more why aren't there more ownership of the products that do appear in those aisles?
 
Glad this thread is picking back up :pimp: learning a lot more. Need to find a focal point and expand to learn more though. So much to learn, I might start w/ religion and the whole concept of God and Jesus, it always struck me as odd that European people were praising a man from Africa, has to be more to it.

religion is a very broad, deep, and contentious topic, it is a really daunting subject to get into, especially for informed & unbiased context/translation...but who is the african man that "european people were praising?" jesus?

You're right about that. Just from a few simple searches, I realize that it's going to be a task to get some good knowledge; maybe it'll all be for naught, but I feel like I need more background than the Bible, Quran, Torah, etc. I may never get the info I want but instead have to take the bias out in my own way.

And yea, Jesus is the African man I'm referring to. Of course I could be more specific but focusing more on his origins in regards to his nationality but I kept it broad.
 
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Great points. I really don't have much to come back with.

My only additional thought is that like you said at times it can be overstated that melanin can't protect everyone from over exposure to the sun, which I agree with. However, in my opinion that's a purification process, sort of cutting the chaff if you will.

I think prior to slavery death was looked at as more of a transformational process (energy can't be created or destroyed only transferred....) process then it was an end all be all type deal.

With the fall, all the information gets splintered. We've been programmed into thinking some Super Negro is gonna come along with all the answers and when he doesn't have them he's attacked.
We all bring a certain piece of the puzzle to the table.

As stated glad to see the thread moving.
 
How do yall feel about manipulating Black Americans in order to get them to attempt to start "doing better"? The media, government, and society manipulate in order to marginalize them/us, do you think the same tactic could be used to reverse it?
 
How do yall feel about manipulating Black Americans in order to get them to attempt to start "doing better"? The media, government, and society manipulate in order to marginalize them/us, do you think the same tactic could be used to reverse it?
folks been trying to do this, but some folks just don't wanna get on the train 
 
How do yall feel about manipulating Black Americans in order to get them to attempt to start "doing better"? The media, government, and society manipulate in order to marginalize them/us, do you think the same tactic could be used to reverse it?


folks been trying to do this, but some folks just don't wanna get on the train 

Some folks been trying to push them on the train instead of making them want to get on. McDonalds doesn't tell u to buy their food like "Buy this Quarter Pounder now" but they make it look good, have a person smiling while they are eating it, etc. Next thing you know, cats is like "I want one". Most of the docs and conscious people (for lack of a better term) tend to be sounding like they're preaching to the people and chastising them for their living, gotta switch up the dialogue and tone.
 
this only thread that I can read an entire argument and try to find the out answer for myself because both sides make good points 
 
I'm on mobile so bare with me:

http://www.ve.org.za/index.php/VE/article/viewFile/832/2135

That's a good article to start with. It's somewhat ambiguous in its core thoughts, but it shows there is a faction of people that believe there were people who lived in Egypt and migrated moved to West Africa.

This is a good documentary showing the connection between west African spirituality/quantum physics and Kemet. I'm pretty sure its been posted in here before.




As far as assessing the complexity of the world/universe, I believe the ancestors understood the nature of our infinity and used common symbols that people could gravitate towards and develop universal concepts.

It started with the Hydrogen atom. The "original man, woman, and child." +, -, neutral. Everything else is a string vibrating from that concept/universal mind. That's the nature of this universe and duality, we're so complex yet so simple.

With out getting super metaphysical, my point is that you and I are having a conversation about similar topics from different portions of the world. If we were to try and explain some of this to people in our immediate community, it may came out with differing strokes but we're trying to paint the canvas to the best of our understanding.
So say we have this on going dialogue for a million years and a new comer shows up on the scene and steals your narrative. As the person being robbed, you know this new comer is short darn near a million years of the convo and won't grasp the magnitude of what you're trying to convey, because like all sciences and math, the more complex you get, the more simple terms you use to express complex concepts.
So if a child who just learned the alphabet stole some notes off your desk saw e=mc^2 chances are they would have no idea what that equation or those letters really mean.

To keep this metaphor going, you have a child (the European) who stepped in on million plus year dialogue and taught the rest of the world how to think. Because his foundation is built on the contingent of an ignorant understanding, a lot of people are doomed on their journey for knowledge before it starts.

Egypt is championed because the metaphysics are relatively broken down so simple that it was the first reference point the European was able to start understanding the universe. Using this knowledge, they formed the contemporary collective mindset based on his understanding of history and the universe.

This is why I have no problem with people using Egypt as the reference point for trying to gain knowledge of one's self. It's a proven system. Not to say it's better then the Yoruba and the orisha's or anything because theyre all saying the same thing.

I say all that to say, you can pick any point on this planet and the indigenous people will be melanated. You can pick any indigenous peoples spirituality systems and they'll tell you we come from the stars with a lot of them saying Sirius B. (Forbidden Archaeology by Michael A Cremo is a good book to read.)

So it's almost a moot point to say I come from West Africa or Egypt or India etc. This planet isn't event the original home.

I'm sure that lacked some cohesion so let me know if it's something I need to elaborate on.
Also wanted to point that we had set up a world culture upon our arrival.

The sacred sites that we built on telluric currents bare witness to this.

So the reason I said it was reductionalist in the first place, is because it would take a reductionalist state of mind to see temples and similar architecture built on the precise lines of latt/long going across different continents and think they have no connection. (Not referring to you, but European archeologist etc)

That's the nature of the Kali Yuga though:

"Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again."

It's difficult for people to remember the oneness that was before the fall...
If you would like to me respond point by point I can  and will  if you want me to.

The reason I have not is because I think we're coming from completely different contexts.

You are coming from a very spiritualist, what I would call a some what theological and religious/spiritual point of view. I don't think a proper dialogue or even agreement can be reached because we are operating on fundamentally different perspectives. You don't even think human beings come from this planet. That introduces a whole different set of logic that I have no experience with to even try and comprehend. I am a person who can jump into different perspectives and try to see it from other's point of view, but I can't do that without having a base understanding of what that world view is like.  I just have zero basis and knowledge of your concepts and ideas so I guess I forfeight any discussion.

I don't even have my own concept of metaphysics to agree or disagree with your points. I'm completely out of my depth.
 
I completely respect that brother. If you ever get interested in it shoot me a PM or something.

So I can better understand where you're coming from you mind addressing the points you were making more clearly?
 
How do yall feel about manipulating Black Americans in order to get them to attempt to start "doing better"? The media, government, and society manipulate in order to marginalize them/us, do you think the same tactic could be used to reverse it?

Same tactic COULD be used and I feel NEEDS to be used. Like you've stated, the opposite is what has us here today.


folks been trying to do this, but some folks just don't wanna get on the train 

Has to be more persistent and disciplined to the cause. If you even SPEAK out against the majority/main agenda (white supremacy), you can be killed, thrown into exile, tortured, etc. They have an enforcement level of the manipulation in which we are terrified to even begin venturing into in regards to enforcing the agenda of liberation....


Some folks been trying to push them on the train instead of making them want to get on. McDonalds doesn't tell u to buy their food like "Buy this Quarter Pounder now" but they make it look good, have a person smiling while they are eating it, etc. Next thing you know, cats is like "I want one". Most of the docs and conscious people (for lack of a better term) tend to be sounding like they're preaching to the people and chastising them for their living, gotta switch up the dialogue and tone.

I don't think that would serve much if any difference. The plain fact is that it's EASIER to buy into white supremacy no matter what "race" you are. Getting on the train to progression would take things that we're just not ready for as a whole in my opinion. If you can die for the cause, yet aren't willing to kill for it.....you're simply waiting to die.
 
They still take care of their own first.

Stadium diplomacy is a form of cultural diplomacy practiced by the People's Republic of China through building and donating stadiums and sports facilities in Africa, Asia, Latin America, the Caribbean and the South Pacific.[1]
The construction of stadiums is financed depending on the project with some given as gifts; paid for through low interest, concessional loans; built in partnership with both China and the host nation taking on different construction responsibilities; or through some other kind of partnership.[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_diplomacy
 
China is friendsing up the third world with their money however weaker governments aren't paying attention (or willfully ignoring) the fact that they are also putting bodies on the ground. Trust me..in 20 years time the ruling classes of Africa will all be chinese if action isn't taken soon. They'll swallow up the entire economy and the native people will entertain them in the same stadiums the chinese paid for.
 
China is friendsing up the third world with their money however weaker governments aren't paying attention (or willfully ignoring) the fact that they are also putting bodies on the ground. Trust me..in 20 years time the ruling classes of Africa will all be chinese if action isn't taken soon. They'll swallow up the entire economy and the native people will entertain them in the same stadiums the chinese paid for.

Or worse, u see what happened when the Dutch came in to South Africa.

We(Blacks, Africans, etc.) are so damn accepting and it's always been our downfall. Wasn't there something to the whole Akon Lights Africa situation where the Chinese were supplying the hardware unbeknownst to the African governements?
 
China Splurges on Caribbean Cricket in Quest to Isolate Taiwan
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ajv47UQW6sq8
March 8 (Bloomberg) -- More than 8,000 miles from Beijing, Chinese workers are putting the finishing touches on stadiums for a sport they've never played.

Living in temporary plastic huts and taking a single day off each month, about 1,000 employees of state-owned Chinese companies have sweated away the past year on the Caribbean islands of Jamaica, Antigua and Grenada as the West Indies prepare to host the Cricket World Cup, the game's premier international event.

Their presence has more to do with China's drive to isolate Taiwan, the democracy it considers a breakaway province, than with what the Chinese call shen shi yun dong, or ``the noble game.'' China is using its economic might to break alliances Taiwan forged in the Caribbean to counter its status as a diplomatic outcast.

``This is a diplomatic move,'' says John Tkacik, senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a Washington-based research group. ``There's no other reason for China to go horsing around in the Caribbean. The more countries that abandon recognition of Taiwan, the less international status it has.''

The 2007 World Cup, a seven-week, 16-team tournament, opens March 13 in Kingston, Jamaica. Organizers expect it to lure 100,000 tourists and a TV audience of 2.2 billion. China has contributed about $132 million for facilities, tournament officials say. Hosting the event required cooperation among nine independent states.

``They knew we didn't have the money,'' says Winston Baldwin Spencer, prime minister of Antigua & Barbuda. ``If we didn't have the Chinese workers we wouldn't have been able to complete the stadium.''

Foreign Aid Push

China, the world's fastest-growing economy, is spreading its global influence by stepping up donations to developing countries.

Aid is disbursed through China's Commerce Ministry, which says it doesn't disclose assistance figures. China hands out about $2.7 billion a year in Africa alone, up from $100 million a decade ago, according to an estimate from the U.S. military's Washington-based National Defense University.

``China is projecting her power internationally to win friends,'' says Clem Seecharan, professor of Caribbean history at London Metropolitan University. ``It's a China that is feeding on a kind of magnanimity of helping the poor. That is the kind of image that China is projecting to counter the American image of a communist dictatorship.''

Caribbean Focus

The Caribbean has become a focal point for China because it contains four of the 24 states that still recognize Taiwan. Stepped up Chinese investment has already persuaded two nations in the region to sever diplomatic ties with Taiwan.

Three years ago, Dominica ended its recognition of Taiwan and will receive $117 million of aid over six years. Grenada was won over after Hurricane Ivan in 2004, which damaged more than 90 percent of the homes on the island. China's offer of a $100 million building program, including $40 million to replace the cricket stadium destroyed by the storm, helped prompt a change of allegiance the following year.

Taiwan successfully sued Grenada in U.S. District Court in New York for the return of $20 million that a Taiwanese bank had loaned the government, partly to fund the stadium.

``The big thorn in Taiwan's side is that they are suffering not just insult but injury,'' Tkacik says.

Controversy also surrounded the official handover of Grenada National Stadium in February. As the Chinese ambassador and scores of blue-uniformed laborers entered the arena, the Royal Grenadan Police Band greeted them with the Taiwanese national anthem, prompting an apology from Prime Minister Keith Mitchell.

`Master Blaster'

The opening of the $60 million stadium in Antigua on Feb. 10 went more smoothly. The Sir Vivian Richards Cricket Ground is named after the country's greatest cricketer, a batsman known as the ``Master Blaster'' who helped the West Indies to two World Cup triumphs in the 1970s. The 20,000-seat complex includes two video screens and an artificial beach for spectators.

Chinese Ambassador Ren Xiaoping presented an oversized red key to Prime Minister Spencer at a ceremony honoring the 400 Chinese workers who toiled on the project.

``Their sweat has soaked this land,'' said Ren, as fireworks exploded in the night sky. ``During the past year, five of these workers have lost their parents and seven became fathers for the first time. But none of them went home. Why? Because they knew their responsibilities.''

Diplomatic Maneuverings

Taiwan split from China in 1949, when communists led by Mao Zedong took control of the mainland. The U.S. initially sided with Taiwan, providing money and military supplies to the island as a buffer against communism.

In 1971, the People's Republic replaced Taiwan as a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council. Eight years later, the U.S. recognized China and severed its ties with Taiwan.

Antigua & Barbuda was the first Caribbean country to officially recognize China in 1983.

``We moved from a situation where we were flirting with Taiwan to declaring our full support for the `One China' policy,'' Spencer says. ``They would like all Caribbean territories to be supportive of mainland China, and I believe that eventually that is going to be the case.''

Since Grenada's defection, Taiwan has used the cricket tournament to help hang onto its Caribbean friends. Taiwan funded the $12 million Warner Park in St. Kitts & Nevis, and a Taiwanese construction company helped build facilities in St. Vincent & the Grenadines, where warm-up matches are being played this week.

Strange Bedfellows

The World Cup has accomplished what the UN couldn't: over the past few years the two diplomatic rivals have attended planning meetings as equals, says Chris Dehring, chief executive officer of the event. He says the tournament benefited from competition between the historic foes.

``It's been quite fun in a meeting to express how well the Taiwanese are doing on a stadium and you see the Chinese contractors looking at each other and making up the time very, very quickly,'' Dehring says. ``They certainly wanted to demonstrate that they were equally capable.''

The World Cup offers an opportunity for the West Indies, once international cricket's dominant force, to regain respect. The team hasn't reached the final of cricket's showpiece since 1983 and has slipped to eighth in the international team rankings. Australia, the bookmakers' favorite, is gunning for its third straight title.

``For every sporting nation there comes a time when there is a lull and your performance drops below par and you have to rebuild,'' Viv Richards says of the West Indies's chances. ``I believe we have a team that can bring the bacon home in terms of winning the World Cup.''

When the event kicks off, one nation that won't be involved in the action is China, where cricket is currently played by about 1,000 of the country's 1.3 billion people.

China aims to have 150,000 players, a league and a ``credible'' national team by 2020, says Calvin Leung, a spokesman for the Chinese Cricket Association. Athletic officials are introducing a training program in schools to meet those aims.

``It's quite hopeful we'll qualify for the 2019 World Cup,'' Leung says. ``If we move ahead at a quicker pace then maybe we can do it.''
 
It's surreal how their struggle mirrored american civil rights struggle. Kind of weird to watch this vid.

You'd think this was the south if you had the video on mute



Aborigines classified under flora & fauna.
 
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Glad this thread is picking back up :pimp: learning a lot more. Need to find a focal point and expand to learn more though. So much to learn, I might start w/ religion and the whole concept of God and Jesus, it always struck me as odd that European people were praising a man from Africa, has to be more to it.

religion is a very broad, deep, and contentious topic, it is a really daunting subject to get into, especially for informed & unbiased context/translation...but who is the african man that "european people were praising?" jesus?

You're right about that. Just from a few simple searches, I realize that it's going to be a task to get some good knowledge; maybe it'll all be for naught, but I feel like I need more background than the Bible, Quran, Torah, etc. I may never get the info I want but instead have to take the bias out in my own way.

And yea, Jesus is the African man I'm referring to. Of course I could be more specific but focusing more on his origins in regards to his nationality but I kept it broad.

this is another thing i find curious...the fascination with the 'race' of jesus or arguments about which, are completely puzzling to me...seem to me a pretty irrelevant detail; though it is somewhat interesting to me that other 'races' have not done the same transformation (no matter how you slice it, the common depiction of Jesus is a very unlikely anglo one, he was 'remade' in their image) to their own 'personal jesuses' (an african jesus, an asian jesus, etc.)

We've been programmed into thinking some Super Negro is gonna come along with all the answers and when he doesn't have them he's attacked.
We all bring a certain piece of the puzzle to the table.

i would agree to the extent that as social creatures generally, we look for leadership but i also believe it to be maybe necessary as there needs to be someone or some mechanism to decide what path to take; without it there can be anarchy. that said i also think the latter statement is also true, we each do have roles to play & things to contribute, it may be contradictory to hold those beliefs but c'est la vie

How do yall feel about manipulating Black Americans in order to get them to attempt to start "doing better"? The media, government, and society manipulate in order to marginalize them/us, do you think the same tactic could be used to reverse it?

folks been trying to do this, but some folks just don't wanna get on the train 

Some folks been trying to push them on the train instead of making them want to get on. McDonalds doesn't tell u to buy their food like "Buy this Quarter Pounder now" but they make it look good, have a person smiling while they are eating it, etc. Next thing you know, cats is like "I want one". Most of the docs and conscious people (for lack of a better term) tend to be sounding like they're preaching to the people and chastising them for their living, gotta switch up the dialogue and tone.

behavioral economics is kind of the study of this, and it of course could and is being used, but people are complicated and much as laying certain incentives or nudging folk to make a certain decision, people still are independent and make the choices that make sense given their experiences...obviously some companies have understood this and have been able to use it to sell us products (i mean we are here on a site dedicated to sneakers by a particular brand!) we all know how things are presented do influence, but also part of this equation is the choice available. if you live in a food desert, mcdonalds might be a good source of inexpensive, readily available, & easily accessible calories. it just happens to be unfortunately, if you are eating it on the reg, it ends up being expensive in the long run...

How do yall feel about manipulating Black Americans in order to get them to attempt to start "doing better"? The media, government, and society manipulate in order to marginalize them/us, do you think the same tactic could be used to reverse it?

Same tactic COULD be used and I feel NEEDS to be used. Like you've stated, the opposite is what has us here today.


folks been trying to do this, but some folks just don't wanna get on the train 

Has to be more persistent and disciplined to the cause. If you even SPEAK out against the majority/main agenda (white supremacy), you can be killed, thrown into exile, tortured, etc. They have an enforcement level of the manipulation in which we are terrified to even begin venturing into in regards to enforcing the agenda of liberation....


Some folks been trying to push them on the train instead of making them want to get on. McDonalds doesn't tell u to buy their food like "Buy this Quarter Pounder now" but they make it look good, have a person smiling while they are eating it, etc. Next thing you know, cats is like "I want one". Most of the docs and conscious people (for lack of a better term) tend to be sounding like they're preaching to the people and chastising them for their living, gotta switch up the dialogue and tone.

I don't think that would serve much if any difference. The plain fact is that it's EASIER to buy into white supremacy no matter what "race" you are. Getting on the train to progression would take things that we're just not ready for as a whole in my opinion. If you can die for the cause, yet aren't willing to kill for it.....you're simply waiting to die.

care to elaborate on these points? agenda of liberation?

They still take care of their own first.

Stadium diplomacy is a form of cultural diplomacy practiced by the People's Republic of China through building and donating stadiums and sports facilities in Africa, Asia, Latin America, the Caribbean and the South Pacific.[1]
The construction of stadiums is financed depending on the project with some given as gifts; paid for through low interest, concessional loans; built in partnership with both China and the host nation taking on different construction responsibilities; or through some other kind of partnership.[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_diplomacy

as they should (or to be clear, this should be the expectation when negotiating), it is on the leaders of the individual countries to make those relationships work for their people such that it would be mutually beneficial.
 
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