Black Culture Discussion Thread

tokes99 tokes99 @D Nice

I believe that most of these organizations encourage the idea of things but don't really teach the tools in order to accomplish it. I find it disheartening that, to this day, financial literacy isn't a hot topic in our community. We know it's powerful and influential and yet we don't focus on it. Even when it comes to housing, we focus on stopping gentrification instead of arming people w/ the tools and resources to possibly become homeowners. Not saying that it has to be one way or the other but both are just as important.

I'm still learning about money myself in regards to investing, retirement accounts, etc so I don't feel comfortable with sharing half knowledge, but it needs to be talked about.

I've been to meetings and events where the surface was discussed solely and not the root cause of the problems that plague our communities.

i agree but i would also add that as a general matter, financial literacy (especially of the sort that your money makes money, understanding the machinations/risk of the stock market, or even dealing with routine forms of credit) is maybe lacking across the board? and gentrification in and of itself isn't/wouldn't be so negative if not for the lack of safe affordable housing options and economic opportunities, i don't know that any neighborhood is or should be sacred in that way if those two factors are good...

if i'm being honest, i don't know where the discussion needs to go beyond reparations, the issues are are known, the root causes are known; but then again when the issues are so disparate & diffuse it is probably really difficult to address all at once meaningfully? i feel like if you laid out all the issues that affect black folk on the table, you'd be hard pressed to get consensus on what the most pressing issue is, and i'm not sure it need to be agreed upon but to the extent you want to 'solve' some of these things it probably doesn't help to have people focused on different things...only thing that really is disheartening is when the discussion becomes centered around conspiracies or being (or not) 'woke'; like i understand that history has made this type of thinking plausible but it by far the exception rather than the rule...
 
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tokes99 tokes99 @D Nice

I believe that most of these organizations encourage the idea of things but don't really teach the tools in order to accomplish it. I find it disheartening that, to this day, financial literacy isn't a hot topic in our community. We know it's powerful and influential and yet we don't focus on it. Even when it comes to housing, we focus on stopping gentrification instead of arming people w/ the tools and resources to possibly become homeowners. Not saying that it has to be one way or the other but both are just as important.

I'm still learning about money myself in regards to investing, retirement accounts, etc so I don't feel comfortable with sharing half knowledge, but it needs to be talked about.

I've been to meetings and events where the surface was discussed solely and not the root cause of the problems that plague our communities.

i agree but i would also add that as a general matter, financial literacy (especially of the sort that your money makes money, understanding the machinations/risk of the stock market, or even dealing with routine forms of credit) is maybe lacking across the board? and gentrification in and of itself isn't/wouldn't be so negative if not for the lack of safe affordable housing options and economic opportunities, i don't know that any neighborhood is or should be sacred in that way if those two factors are good...

if i'm being honest, i don't know where the discussion needs to go beyond reparations, the issues are are known, the root causes are known; but then again when the issues are so disparate & diffuse it is probably really difficult to address all at once meaningfully? i feel like if you laid out all the issues that affect black folk on the table, you'd be hard pressed to get consensus on what the most pressing issue is, and i'm not sure it need to be agreed upon but to the extent you want to 'solve' some of these things it probably doesn't help to have people focused on different things...only thing that really is disheartening is when the discussion becomes centered around conspiracies or being (or not) 'woke'; like i understand that history has made this type of thinking plausible but it by far the exception rather than the rule...

Problem is NO ONE wants to admit or come to terms w/ the problems and furthermore, no one wants to admit any fault/wrong doing in the matter, that's why nothing will never get done until at least one side swallows their pride and get to it.

Conspiracies are easy because they don't really need to have that many facts to set the foundation, that's why people gravitate towards them, it's not hard work.

Then you have organizations who mean well, but have ego trips and therefore don't want to work with others.
 
Some positive vibes from the mother land:

As some of you may already know, I lived in Malabo, Equatorial Guinea from 2008-2010 and I just moved back here in 2014.

The same health risks that black Americans routinely face are also common in Africa. Diabetes, hypertension, and heart disease are some of the leading causes of death on the continent. But this time around I am seeing more people being conscience about their diets and actively exercising. Jogging, running, walking, lifting.

Every morning I wake up and chill on the balcony and I always see folks in gym gear preforming some type of exercise. Young and old, people are waking up and taking their health seriously and it’s a beautiful thing. People cooking with less or no salt at all in their sauces, smoking has deceased and a negative social stigma is attached to it. The whole gym rat thing that goes on in the U.S. has definitely been picked up over here. Dudes gettin hella swole for no reason :lol: The broke dudes with no gym membership make makeshift weights with steel bars and cement. Even my moms, who goes to the gym 4 days a week over there in MOCO, got my pops, who is habitual procrastinator when it comes to exercise, to walk 6 kilometers to the airport every other day over here. Dude is 61 and doesn’t look a day over 45.

I see nothing but good intentions coming from my small island, hopefully this is something going on throughout the entire continent.

Anyway just tryna lighten the mood in here due to all the foul crap that’s been going on in the U.S. and else where.
 
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Interesting

Sankofa African Consciousness

Like nas said white jesus poison religion posion...our fighting over what our opressors gave us as hope is the major reason y we in our condition.. If the host wasnt there to intervene and tell that young brother us elders dont all think like that weirdo...that young man's View of himself and his culture could have taken a huge blow 
Jet Fraser Tariq Nasheed
‪#‎selfdestruction‬
 
#blackpantherpbs ...must watch...

http://www.pbs.org/video/2365657009/

And here's Elaine Brown's rebuttal to accompany this to get more info

Ex-Black Panther Leader Elaine Brown Slams Stanley Nelson’s ‘Condemnable’ Documentary


Elaine Brown, who led the Black Panther Party from 1974-1977 and ran for president in 2008, dismantles Nelson’s documentary ‘The Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution.’
In his film The Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution, black documentary filmmaker Stanley Nelson slices and dices the history of the Black Panther Party into a two-dimensional palliative for white people and Negroes who are comfortable in America’s oppressive status quo. His film, a collage of personalized vignettes by erstwhile and self-professed Party members, culminating in the complete excoriation of the Party’s guiding genius, Huey P. Newton, is at once shocking and disappointing. It is also condemnable.
As an aside, to answer any charge that my condemnation of this film arises from the fact that Nelson tossed most of his interview with me onto the cutting room floor, I note that my autobiography, A Taste of Power, my own Black Panther story, has never gone out of print and was just picked up as an e-book. It is under option with HBO for its miniseries The Black Panthers.
That said, as a former leader of the Party, I assert authority to state that Stanley Nelson ultimately debases the Party, which history will substantiate was, to this very day, the greatest effort for freedom ever made by Africans lost in America. Nelson does this by excising from his film the Party’s ideological foundation and political strategies, despite the wealth of published materials articulating the Party’s goals and ideals, reducing our activities to sensationalist engagements, as snatched from establishment media headlines.
He lingers on minutiae in showing stock footage from our famous Free Breakfast for Children program and Free Health Clinic program, the most publicized among the over 30 Survival Programs the Party fostered. In that, he obscures the magnitude of this effort, for which the FBI admittedly and specifically condemned the Party as the “greatest threat to the internal security of the United States.” And Nelson does this despite the fact that there are hours of footage online in which Huey P. Newton fully sets forth the purpose of our Survival Programs, operating under the slogan “Survival Pending Revolution,” which was to serve the People’s immediate needs toward galvanizing mass participation in the Revolution. The Party held that the masses of People not the Party were the makers of the Revolution of which, in our time and place, we were indeed the vanguard.
Minimizing the role of Huey Newton, founder of the Party, along with Bobby Seale, Nelson elevates the role in the Party of Eldridge Cleaver—who individually did more to try to destroy the Party than the U.S. government. This elevation of Cleaver is a clue to the point of Nelson’s “documentary”—to produce a piece of provocative propaganda worthy of the FBI itself. Though Cleaver was but a fleeting darling of the establishment press who was in the Party for no more than a year or so before being expelled, footage of Cleaver and “Cleaverites” overwhelms almost half of Nelson’s two-hour film.
While referencing the COINTELPRO operations of the FBI, which has been well-documented to have had the goal of discrediting, disrupting or destroying the Black Panther Party, Nelson reduces the massive, brutal effort by the U.S. government to destroy the Party to the story of traitor William O’Neal, who infiltrated the Illinois Chapter of the Party as an agent of the FBI. And, while showing emotional interviews with survivors of the ferocious, 1969 raid on the Party’s Los Angeles office by the Los Angeles Police Department’s newly-formed SWAT Team, Nelson erases the fact that this assault, like the murder of Fred Hampton in Chicago, was in fact orchestrated by the government of the United States—and this, despite that no other organization in the history of the United States has been so targeted by the government for elimination. Had he chosen to do the right thing, Nelson would have had to open up his film to the broad question of why the Party was so targeted by the United States government.
Though he focuses most of his film on the personal remembrances of Party members and purported Party members, Nelson deletes the memory and martyrdom of Party heroes like George Jackson, Bunchy Carter, and John Huggins.
In the last 20 minutes of his film, Nelson sets forth a superficial montage of the Bobby Seale/Elaine Brown electoral campaign. Accompanied by jaunty music, this campaign is suggestively presented as a deviation from any notion of revolution, providing a stark counterpoint to Nelson’s ultimate statement: a disparaging portrait of Huey P. Newton.
Like new-right ideologue David Horowitz, Nelson paints Huey as a thug, a “maniac,” according to an interview he highlights with one former Panther—a man harboring a lifelong, apolitical grudge against Huey, whom he never knew or even met. Nelson’s Huey is then reduced to a thug and drug addict killed by his own “demonic” behavior. Although Huey was killed 10 years after the Party’s demise, Nelson ties Huey’s tragic murder to the death of the Party. This opens the way to his wholesale condemnation of the Party as a fascinating cult-like group that died out on account of the leadership of a drug-addicted maniac. In this, he exonerates the government’s vicious COINTELPRO activities, and discredits and destroys the very history and memory of the Party.
If Nelson knew the black community, he would know that Huey remains a hero to black people, especially those still locked in the impoverished corners of America. In West Oakland, where the Party started, the locale of Huey’s murder is deemed sacred ground.
In his haste to disparage the Party by disingenuously casting his film as a documentary about the Party, Nelson overlooked the fact that Huey promoted the ideal that the Party never attempt to institutionalize itself, lest it become more entrenched in self-preservation than in promoting the goal of global revolution. Just as the Party’s existence was not grounded in the existence of any individual, its demise was inevitable and necessary in order to open the door for new generations to adapt to new conditions toward the ultimate, inevitable elimination of the American Empire and introduction of a new world society in which resources are equitably distributed among the people, according to need and ability.
I have asked Stanley Nelson to remove the snippets of his interview with me from his film. He has refused. My consolation lies in knowing that this film will not be relevant in the history of the Black Panther Party, which, fixed in the history of the United States, will be studied for generation upon generation to come, and in knowing that history will not remember Stanley Nelson at all.
 
Actually read that last night, there was def probably gaps and inaccuracies but only so much that could be covered in 2 hours.  
 
Actually read that last night, there was def probably gaps and inaccuracies but only so much that could be covered in 2 hours.  

I feel the same way, I also hate the tone she's using. Despite things left out, the documentary was presented to a mass audience, which is a great first step, now she and others can come in with more information about the BPP, not discredit the documentary which it sounds like she was doing.

There would have to be a season long series in order to cover everything about the BPP, 2hrs was def not enough but that's why there are books and other tools of knowledge.
 
 
Actually read that last night, there was def probably gaps and inaccuracies but only so much that could be covered in 2 hours.  
I feel the same way, I also hate the tone she's using. Despite things left out, the documentary was presented to a mass audience, which is a great first step, now she and others can come in with more information about the BPP, not discredit the documentary which it sounds like she was doing.

There would have to be a season long series in order to cover everything about the BPP, 2hrs was def not enough but that's why there are books and other tools of knowledge.
We gotta understand her angle, it ended making it seem like Huey was a thug at the end and resulted in the end of the party. It wasn't the best depiction probably in her eyes especially for someone on the front lines.
 
 
Actually read that last night, there was def probably gaps and inaccuracies but only so much that could be covered in 2 hours.  


I feel the same way, I also hate the tone she's using. Despite things left out, the documentary was presented to a mass audience, which is a great first step, now she and others can come in with more information about the BPP, not discredit the documentary which it sounds like she was doing.


There would have to be a season long series in order to cover everything about the BPP, 2hrs was def not enough but that's why there are books and other tools of knowledge.
We gotta understand her angle, it ended making it seem like Huey was a thug at the end and resulted in the end of the party. It wasn't the best depiction probably in her eyes especially for someone on the front lines.

Without a doubt, that's definitely one of the critiques I have about the doc, that and the fact that the last 15min felt rushed, but again, it was only 2hrs so I'm not that critical about it.
 
Also, I reflected on the good more than the negative. Also the LA shootout was fire, them dudes was about that life!
 
Man does anyone remember the nter that used to come around and drop knowledge about egypt, slavery, politics, illuminati and everything else? Can't think of his name for the life of me. He mentioned some books that I've been meaning to look into
 
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I don't see it there but that's a good thread that I'll check out, thanks.

The guy I'm thinking of talked a lot about astrology, isis/osiris...I remember him pointing out a land mass in Africa shaped like a woman's birth canal/ovaries. Mentioned something about Morgan Freeman, moor gone free man and how the elite in Hollywood are chosen. It was probably around 2013 when he was last really active
 
I don't see it there but that's a good thread that I'll check out, thanks.

The guy I'm thinking of talked a lot about astrology, isis/osiris...I remember him pointing out a land mass in Africa shaped like a woman's birth canal/ovaries. Mentioned something about Morgan Freeman, moor gone free man and how the elite in Hollywood are chosen. It was probably around 2013 when he was last really active
i hate people who believe in ******ed **** like that...
 
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