Black Culture Discussion Thread

Dathbgboy said:
gotJz said:
How do we manipulate and force people to go along with what's needed to be done to overcome? That's the part I'm still trying to figure out. At times I think it's possible through programming of the entertainment and media. But without controlling the images and sounds that entertain us, and ultimately influence us to dress, act, and think certain ways, it becomes tough. But we could always attack those who are using their spotlight in the entertainment/media field to at least bring about the dialogue since social media exists. But it would have to be on a larger platform than our individual social media devices. And take some of us in this thread for example. We have to be able to build something, anything. We all have brains and what seems to be a similar desire for liberation. I'm not willing to buy that we can't create something out of that...
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That's the only way. The media is so powerful that it shapes thoughts and ideas w/o people even realizing it. And it's sad that we have to use the term "manipulate" since it has negative connotations but that's exactly what we'd have to do.
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it is basically behavioral economics, studying what things people respond to in certain situations and it definitely is not the only way but instead of 'manipulate' i think it is better to say 'incentivize' and it isn't sad because we all respond to incentives; now we each weigh them differently depending on a great many factors. the proverbial genie is not going back in the proverbial bottle, the medial(s) has made the "fear of missing out" and the need for immediate gratification much more acute, we all are hyper aware of not only what we DON'T have but also what others DO have...

so it seems to me that, if there will be a movement that will ask folk to sacrifice in this climate, the incentive(s) must be made clear and substantial to all the different factions within the group, because all those groups will likely have a really clear idea of what they will be 'missing out' on...

and i would also point out that, though black folk do 'lag behind' in many important economic indicators in comparison to other ethnicities, the majority are making out ok, some even better than their other counterparts; so part of the challenge is shifting the group(s)...
 
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tokes99 said:
Dathbgboy said:
gotJz said:
How do we manipulate and force people to go along with what's needed to be done to overcome? That's the part I'm still trying to figure out. At times I think it's possible through programming of the entertainment and media. But without controlling the images and sounds that entertain us, and ultimately influence us to dress, act, and think certain ways, it becomes tough. But we could always attack those who are using their spotlight in the entertainment/media field to at least bring about the dialogue since social media exists. But it would have to be on a larger platform than our individual social media devices. And take some of us in this thread for example. We have to be able to build something, anything. We all have brains and what seems to be a similar desire for liberation. I'm not willing to buy that we can't create something out of that...
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That's the only way. The media is so powerful that it shapes thoughts and ideas w/o people even realizing it. And it's sad that we have to use the term "manipulate" since it has negative connotations but that's exactly what we'd have to do.
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it is basically behavioral economics, studying what things people respond to in certain situations and it definitely is not the only way but instead of 'manipulate' i think it is better to say 'incentivize' and it isn't sad because we all respond to incentives; now we each weigh them differently depending on a great many factors. the proverbial genie is going back in the proverbial bottle, the medial(s) has made the "fear of missing out" and the need for immediate gratification much more acute, we all are hyper aware of not only what we DON'T have but also what others DO have...

so it seems to me that, if there will be a movement that will ask folk to sacrifice in this climate, the incentive(s) must be made clear and substantial to all the different factions within the group, because all those groups will likely have a really clear idea of what they will be 'missing out' on...

and i would also point out that, though black folk do 'lag behind' in many important economic indicators in comparison to other ethnicities, the majority are making out ok, some even better than their other counterparts; so part of the challenge is shifting the group(s)...
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You can't tell them what you're doing. The media doesn't, they just keep feeding them. It's like those commercials where they say the number of the company 5 times in a row or a jingle, you think, "that's stupid and annoying" but you remember the number. Some people hate giving up things willingly, moreso when it's not by their own will.

The media has been controlling thoughts for a while and they do it by mixing artificial sweeteners in w/ the healthy stuff. What needs to be done w/ that is mix the veggies in w/ the bad stuff (social media)

But of course, this will never happen here because there is too big of a divide amungst people
 
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tokes99 said:
it is basically behavioral economics, studying what things people respond to in certain situations and it definitely is not the only way but instead of 'manipulate' i think it is better to say 'incentivize' and it isn't sad because we all respond to incentives; now we each weigh them differently depending on a great many factors. the proverbial genie is not going back in the proverbial bottle, the medial(s) has made the "fear of missing out" and the need for immediate gratification much more acute, we all are hyper aware of not only what we DON'T have but also what others DO have...

so it seems to me that, if there will be a movement that will ask folk to sacrifice in this climate, the incentive(s) must be made clear and substantial to all the different factions within the group, because all those groups will likely have a really clear idea of what they will be 'missing out' on...

and i would also point out that, though black folk do 'lag behind' in many important economic indicators in comparison to other ethnicities, the majority are making out ok, some even better than their other counterparts; so part of the challenge is shifting the group(s)...
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How do we "incentivize" when we have no control of the economy and/or its derivatives currently? I do agree though that this would be a positive resulting method, but the HOW is what I want us to figure out. Especially with the fact that anything we can offer in regards to monetary/material incentive, the establishment can outbid us 11/10 times. Now when it comes to incentives that aren't monetary/material, we'd have the upper hand because the establishment has our worst intent at heart. But unfortunately the majority of our folks either don't believe this or underestimate how ill-willed these people are....


Dathbgboy said:
You can't tell them what you're doing. The media doesn't, they just keep feeding them. It's like those commercials where they say the number of the company 5 times in a row or a jingle, you think, "that's stupid and annoying" but you remember the number. Some people hate giving up things willingly, moreso when it's not by their own will.

The media has been controlling thoughts for a while and they do it by mixing artificial sweeteners in w/ the healthy stuff. What needs to be done w/ that is mix the veggies in w/ the bad stuff (social media)

But of course, this will never happen here because there is too big of a divide amungst people
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Do you feel as if this is a hopeless situation? Nothing we do or can do will ever be able to bring things to a halt, and put us on the correct path? There are times I feel this way, but something tells me if they could create everything they have in which we're still "living" (suffering) in than we can do so much more.
 
gotJz said:
tokes99 said:
it is basically behavioral economics, studying what things people respond to in certain situations and it definitely is not the only way but instead of 'manipulate' i think it is better to say 'incentivize' and it isn't sad because we all respond to incentives; now we each weigh them differently depending on a great many factors. the proverbial genie is not going back in the proverbial bottle, the medial(s) has made the "fear of missing out" and the need for immediate gratification much more acute, we all are hyper aware of not only what we DON'T have but also what others DO have...

so it seems to me that, if there will be a movement that will ask folk to sacrifice in this climate, the incentive(s) must be made clear and substantial to all the different factions within the group, because all those groups will likely have a really clear idea of what they will be 'missing out' on...

and i would also point out that, though black folk do 'lag behind' in many important economic indicators in comparison to other ethnicities, the majority are making out ok, some even better than their other counterparts; so part of the challenge is shifting the group(s)...
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How do we "incentivize" when we have no control of the economy and/or its derivatives currently? I do agree though that this would be a positive resulting method, but the HOW is what I want us to figure out. Especially with the fact that anything we can offer in regards to monetary/material incentive, the establishment can outbid us 11/10 times. Now when it comes to incentives that aren't monetary/material, we'd have the upper hand because the establishment has our worst intent at heart. But unfortunately the majority of our folks either don't believe this or underestimate how ill-willed these people are....
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that be the question...having control isn't all that necessary though - it probably would make some things easier; being observant to the behaviors & wants of people is the 'major key' as dj khalid would say...if you look at advertising/marketing thats how they win, they actually look at the data, consumer behavior, and the difference between what people say & what they do...on the subject of dj khalid, are your "these people" and his "they" one in the same?
 
tokes99 said:
that be the question...having control isn't all that necessary though - it probably would make some things easier; being observant to the behaviors & wants of people is the 'major key' as dj khalid would say...if you look at advertising/marketing thats how they win, they actually look at the data, consumer behavior, and the difference between what people say & what they do...on the subject of dj khalid, are your "these people" and his "they" one in the same?
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Yea I agree with what you said although there is a caveat. The caveat lies in the fact that advertising/marketing caters to the vulnerabilities and worst of people. Advertisement is like flashing loaded crack pipes in front of crack addicts. You know they're looking for their next fix and will get it one way or the other, but you want the crack heads to buy from you as opposed to the guy selling 3 blocks over.

Lol my "these people" and his "they" theoretically could be the same. But it's dj khalid, so practically speaking I'm sure they're not.
 
gotJz said:
tokes99 said:
it is basically behavioral economics, studying what things people respond to in certain situations and it definitely is not the only way but instead of 'manipulate' i think it is better to say 'incentivize' and it isn't sad because we all respond to incentives; now we each weigh them differently depending on a great many factors. the proverbial genie is not going back in the proverbial bottle, the medial(s) has made the "fear of missing out" and the need for immediate gratification much more acute, we all are hyper aware of not only what we DON'T have but also what others DO have...

so it seems to me that, if there will be a movement that will ask folk to sacrifice in this climate, the incentive(s) must be made clear and substantial to all the different factions within the group, because all those groups will likely have a really clear idea of what they will be 'missing out' on...

and i would also point out that, though black folk do 'lag behind' in many important economic indicators in comparison to other ethnicities, the majority are making out ok, some even better than their other counterparts; so part of the challenge is shifting the group(s)...
Click to expand...

How do we "incentivize" when we have no control of the economy and/or its derivatives currently? I do agree though that this would be a positive resulting method, but the HOW is what I want us to figure out. Especially with the fact that anything we can offer in regards to monetary/material incentive, the establishment can outbid us 11/10 times. Now when it comes to incentives that aren't monetary/material, we'd have the upper hand because the establishment has our worst intent at heart. But unfortunately the majority of our folks either don't believe this or underestimate how ill-willed these people are....


Dathbgboy said:
You can't tell them what you're doing. The media doesn't, they just keep feeding them. It's like those commercials where they say the number of the company 5 times in a row or a jingle, you think, "that's stupid and annoying" but you remember the number. Some people hate giving up things willingly, moreso when it's not by their own will.

The media has been controlling thoughts for a while and they do it by mixing artificial sweeteners in w/ the healthy stuff. What needs to be done w/ that is mix the veggies in w/ the bad stuff (social media)

But of course, this will never happen here because there is too big of a divide amungst people
Click to expand...

Do you feel as if this is a hopeless situation? Nothing we do or can do will ever be able to bring things to a halt, and put us on the correct path? There are times I feel this way, but something tells me if they could create everything they have in which we're still "living" (suffering) in than we can do so much more.
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You have to really sit back and analyze everything that you're up against and have to recorrect. Centuries of oppressions and mind warping. You're also in a country that was established for the white man to enjoy and call his own
gotJz said:
tokes99 said:
it is basically behavioral economics, studying what things people respond to in certain situations and it definitely is not the only way but instead of 'manipulate' i think it is better to say 'incentivize' and it isn't sad because we all respond to incentives; now we each weigh them differently depending on a great many factors. the proverbial genie is not going back in the proverbial bottle, the medial(s) has made the "fear of missing out" and the need for immediate gratification much more acute, we all are hyper aware of not only what we DON'T have but also what others DO have...

so it seems to me that, if there will be a movement that will ask folk to sacrifice in this climate, the incentive(s) must be made clear and substantial to all the different factions within the group, because all those groups will likely have a really clear idea of what they will be 'missing out' on...

and i would also point out that, though black folk do 'lag behind' in many important economic indicators in comparison to other ethnicities, the majority are making out ok, some even better than their other counterparts; so part of the challenge is shifting the group(s)...
Click to expand...

How do we "incentivize" when we have no control of the economy and/or its derivatives currently? I do agree though that this would be a positive resulting method, but the HOW is what I want us to figure out. Especially with the fact that anything we can offer in regards to monetary/material incentive, the establishment can outbid us 11/10 times. Now when it comes to incentives that aren't monetary/material, we'd have the upper hand because the establishment has our worst intent at heart. But unfortunately the majority of our folks either don't believe this or underestimate how ill-willed these people are....


Dathbgboy said:
You can't tell them what you're doing. The media doesn't, they just keep feeding them. It's like those commercials where they say the number of the company 5 times in a row or a jingle, you think, "that's stupid and annoying" but you remember the number. Some people hate giving up things willingly, moreso when it's not by their own will.

The media has been controlling thoughts for a while and they do it by mixing artificial sweeteners in w/ the healthy stuff. What needs to be done w/ that is mix the veggies in w/ the bad stuff (social media)

But of course, this will never happen here because there is too big of a divide amungst people
Click to expand...

Do you feel as if this is a hopeless situation? Nothing we do or can do will ever be able to bring things to a halt, and put us on the correct path? There are times I feel this way, but something tells me if they could create everything they have in which we're still "living" (suffering) in than we can do so much more.
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I wouldn't say hopeless but when you look at the history and what you're up against, it feels that way. Centuries of oppression and mind manipulation that has been taught for generations after slavery. Pre-Jim Crow, Jim Crow, covert racism and bigotry, etc. Look at how the most "powerful" man in American (Obama) is being treated.

Then you have to understand that this land we call home, wasn't crafted for us, it was crafted for white men and all the things they enjoy: free labor, submissive wives, little to no taxes, etc.

It'll take a strong campaign to reverse the effects but even then it'd have to be strong enough to combat the already established campaign waging a war on the minds of many black and other minorities while still trying to reverse the effects.

If it happens, it'll happen in about 100 years but idk.
 
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nixon-drug-war-racist_us_56f16a0ae4b03a640a6bbda1

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crazy...but hasn't this always been obvious? i think most people could admit the drug war was at the very least very biased, just by the way it has been carried out? in inner cities and communities of color & not in the suburbs or more affluent communities, despite drug use being relatively equal across the board. i think there is a documentary that came out some time ago that could link the criminalization/illegality of evry substance to the the emergence of a minority group...

in the current moment as far as the 2016 election, drumpf/trump and the republican field overall is pulling/setting up a similar move with immigration/refugees; demonizing a particular group as political means to some end and can take on a life of its own...the interesting thing is that quote in the article was pulled out of an interview from 1994 that the author felt "didn't fit" in his book, 2 decades ago...why is this only coming out now?
 
You guys see this? I think it's more of an appreciation for Dreads and the culture it originated from. I don't think anyone has a right to have a hair style based off culture. Was she right or wrong?

Anybody know if dreads originated in Egypt? Or if he was wrong?
 
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MR HIGHNESS said:
You guys see this? I think it's more of an appreciation for Dreads and the culture it originated from. I don't think anyone has a right to have a hair style based off culture. Was she right or wrong?

Anybody know if dreads originated in Egypt? Or if he was wrong?
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Ancient Kemet? Yes. There are many artifacts, sculptures, and images in the hieroglyphs where that can be seen

 
finally clicked on this thread today...


:wow: I had no idea the discussion would be this deep

As far as the video above, we've been conditioned to see locs as a "black" thing when its really a hair thing. Many old world cultures, such as native americans and the vikings, had locs.
 
Andrew Schulz and Charlamagne Tha God discuss Katt Williams latest arrest, Richard Nixon's administration and their war on blacks, Charlamagne expounds on why he feels he's never experienced racism, and they sit with Marjua Estevez managing editor of "Vibe Viva" and writer Venessa Marco to discuss what is Afro Latino???

Platanos & Collard Greens (Ft Marjua Estevez & Venessa Marco) by The Brilliant Idiots | Free Listening on SoundCloud
 
Good discussion here

Aries Spears: Historically White People Have Been More Dangerous than Blacks - YouTube

If you want to convert to MP3

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AckDaQuick said:
Ancient Kemet? Yes. There are many artifacts, sculptures, and images in the hieroglyphs where that can be seen

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Man that video is a bit too long. But I kind of chuckle of Christianity in Africa. This is why I'm not Christian or Catholic, I don't believe we were all started from the ribs of white people "Adam and Eve", that's ridiculous. I tell this to Christians all the time, if you really want to know origins of "Man", then learn the history of Africa because that's where life started. I've been trying to research folklore of Africa and its own Religions to understand where humans really came from but haven't found too much success of concrete information.

Black Christians sometimes baffle me.

DCAllAmerican said:
Good discussion here

Aries Spears: Historically White People Have Been More Dangerous than Blacks - YouTube


If you want to convert to MP3

listenToYouTube.com
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It's definitely true. I didn't watch the video but agree. Whites killed millions and millions upon millions and millions of people. Because they can, they had the technology historically and no laws nor morals to follow. The only people to challenge them were the Chinese, but they only focused on fireworks.
 
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Just copped these amazing books in the last couple weeks. I've been studying Black history and historical black thought for a few years now. I feel like we can't make sense of our condition if we don't study it and find solutions that help us make forward progress. We need to do more building and planning among ourselves.
 
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