son comes out of the closet to his religous parents

am1x90xnike said:
Well, laws still exist that say same sex isn't legal, for various reasons (promotin of family, state mores, pro creation [all legal reasoning, check the cases]) so I'm still not seeing why who one sticks their penis in is a choice in one sense and not in the other.

If y'all concede who you have sec with is a choice, then I've nothing else to argue, as that is my point. Whether they should have rights is a different case, and, I believe they should have every right that anyone else does (before we confuse my questions).
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yes, the act of having sex is a choice, and who you have sex with is obviously a choice, too. i don't think anyone disagrees with that.

but being gay is not simply about a sexual act. it's an identity. an orientation. it's finding yourself attracted to members of the same sex through no will of your own. it's something you can't explain anymore than my straight friends can explain why they're attracted to girls. it's something you're born with, NOT a choice.

so what would you have me do?
 
am1x90xnike said:
So, no one can explain the difference between someone making a choice to stick his penis in am underaged girl and a guy choosing to stick his penis and a booty hole? Can someone explain how one is a choice and the other is a compulsion?

NT always does this, say I'm dumb but can't explain why, which to me means you don't agree but have no logical basis for it, which I interpret as me being right.

Prove me wrong, I welcome it.
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I can see where you are going but no one will follow you down that road homie.

In other word if a person can scientifically be born gay and society can embrace it, how about a person that psychologically is attracted to young teens/children (pedophiles) aren't. After all they are scientifically born this way.

I honestly not going to venture there but ... Science doesn't lie. Right?

Of course there are laws against sexual misconduct but if they are being adjusted for homosexuals why not for these individuals? Why would a 30 and a 14 y/o can't have consensual sex? Just elaborating on his questions.
 
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Gays not an identity to me because I know super fruity dudes that I don't believe are gay, ie after years of acting fruity, I've never seen/heard whispers of them being gay. They get all the ridicule, but none if the booty, i feel bad about it because you shouldn't be stereotyped for loving show tunes and a nice ascot, but it is what it is.

To ME, your not gay until you have sex, I mean, it's in the name homoSEXuality. It's all about sex.

Homie, you should do whatever you want. Gays act like their the only ones persecuted. Like because they got a few beatings in the eighties they can always use that. ****ohwtbs I'm black...so that whole 'persecution' argument falls on deaf ears, other people are ******, we deal with it...and I for damn sure ain't choose to be black, wouldn't have it any other way though.
 
am1x90xnike said:
Gays not an identity to me because I know super fruity dudes that I don't believe are gay, ie after years of acting fruity, I've never seen/heard whispers of them being gay. They get all the ridicule, but none if the booty, i feel bad about it because you shouldn't be stereotyped for loving show tunes and a nice ascot, but it is what it is.

To ME, your not gay until you have sex, I mean, it's in the name homoSEXuality. It's all about sex.

Homie, you should do whatever you want. Gays act like their the only ones persecuted. Like because they got a few beatings in the eighties they can always use that. ****ohwtbs I'm black...so that whole 'persecution' argument falls on deaf ears, other people are ******, we deal with it...and I for damn sure ain't choose to be black, wouldn't have it any other way though.
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you're all over the place with this post, and i legitimately don't understand half of it.

so i'm going to go back to watching football in my t-shirt (not a show tune in my ascot...)
 
am1x90xnike said:
So a 15 year old can't consent to have sex? A 16 year old isn't mature enough to know the consequences of their actions? Are all these hs boys that sleep with their teachers innocent?

Idk, that I do not believe, nor do you.
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obviously not seeing how most teenage parents end up being single parents, many to which cannot physically, mentally or financially responsible for their actions. A grown person having sex with a child ie... lets say a 10 y/o.... and yes a 10 y/o can say ok but just like a 15 y/o they lack those same traits. Its just we have grown to accept 13/14 y/o etc... having sex because it happens so often, doesnt change the fact they dont fully grasp/understand the ramifications etc.. of actions.

Hell we got grown axx men/women who cant/havent grasped this concept. Only difference is they are at an age that they SHOULD have learned and grasp it by that age.

And while true rapist/pedos etc... cant help it and are born this way, what they do isnt consentual between both parties the same way that it is with two same sex individuals.
 
am1x90xnike said:
So a 15 year old can't consent to have sex? A 16 year old isn't mature enough to know the consequences of their actions? Are all these hs boys that sleep with their teachers innocent?

Idk, that I do not believe, nor do you.
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obviously not seeing how most teenage parents end up being single parents, many to which cannot physically, mentally or financially responsible for their actions. A grown person having sex with a child ie... lets say a 10 y/o.... and yes a 10 y/o can say ok but just like a 15 y/o they lack those same traits. Its just we have grown to accept 13/14 y/o etc... having sex because it happens so often, doesnt change the fact they dont fully grasp/understand the ramifications etc.. of actions.

Hell we got grown axx men/women who cant/havent grasped this concept. Only difference is they are at an age that they SHOULD have learned and grasp it by that age.

And while true rapist/pedos etc... cant help it and are born this way, what they do isnt consentual between both parties the same way that it is with two same sex individuals.
 
So...your conceding that the mental difference between some 15 year olds having sex and some adults having sex is completely arbitrary? Ie decided by society but has no actual barring on each individual's reality, more of a catch all. So my question, at what age is a person mature enough to have sex?

My post is answering questions from earlier. Why does NT see one post, assume it's an entire argument, especially when they can scroll from the top and see multiple posts....snapshots outta context. For as much as NT champions reading and logic, NT fails to exercise those traits.
 
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obviously not seeing how most teenage parents end up being single parents, many to which cannot physically, mentally or financially responsible for their actions. A grown person having sex with a child ie... lets say a 10 y/o.... and yes a 10 y/o can say ok but just like a 15 y/o they lack those same traits. Its just we have grown to accept 13/14 y/o etc... having sex because it happens so often, doesnt change the fact they dont fully grasp/understand the ramifications etc.. of actions.

Hell we got grown axx men/women who cant/havent grasped this concept. Only difference is they are at an age that they SHOULD have learned and grasp it by that age.

And while true rapist/pedos etc... cant help it and are born this way, what they do isnt consentual between both parties the same way that it is with two same sex individuals.
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say what? Comparing a 10 y/o mental capacity to a 15y/o ?????

You really can't say the mental capacity by someone's age. We can all make a good assumption that they arent fully mentally capable of understanding, but all that varies.

Furthermore please differentiated between a pedo and a sex offender. Just because someone likes underage kids does not mean he has acted on it. Two different things ...
 
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Furthermore please differentiated between a pedo and a sex offender. Just because someone likes underage kids does not mean he has acted on it. Two different things ...
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Thank you, someone gets it.

I've literally said that same exact thing so many times on this board, hell in this post, but, outside of Keko, a believer (as myself)...you know, the ones you all have been calling ignorant and unintelligent...seems to understand basic logic.

So many shots taking in this thread, but so little thought given to arguments.
 
You guys need to realize that that am1x90xnike am1x90xnike seeks attention more than anything else. He will routinely derail threads trying to rustling jimmies by "schooling" folks. :lol:

He is like Ninja now. He has such a long resume on nonsense, no one takes him seriously, and he for the life of him can't understand why. :lol:

Then complains that NT just doesn't get it. :rolleyes

Grow the hell up B
 
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Attack my arguments b, thats what I ask...


No I don't understand why because I live in a different world where the truth/logic matters.

You don't have to take me seriously, in real life, plenty of people take me seriously, and like I always say, ya'll talk that cash until ya'll staring at a couple years and need someone to stand with you...and...without question I will...for a fee, but ya'll can get the NT discount.

It's cool though, I know who I am and when you sit at home, away from the twilight of the interwebz and you think about what I post, it really may change your perspective on the world.
 
Keko Jones said:
CoupeIt88 said:
Dude is lost Zik, don't bother anymore. It's beneath you.
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way beneath ... SMH!!!! You two dudes keep commenting on each others replies. Cute …
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I know you feel ganged up on (I guess by the both of us) but regardless it doesn't change the truth of what's being said. This is just deflecting
Master ... Again your believes are different from mines. You cannot sit there and say you are wrong if you think you cant believe in God if you dont believe in the holy book. There are billions that will say otherwise ... SMH.
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Listen, you can believe what you want but it doesn't make it right or true or a fact. You are wrong if you think a person can't believe in GOD if they don't believe in some "holy" text. This is evidenced by the millions of ppl that believe in a GOD of a different religion that has no holy text that comes with it or the scores of individuals that have abandoned religion and any reading requirements that come with it but still believe in a higher power. It doesn't matter what other "billions" of ppl say on the matter because they have no authority on what a person chooses to believe and how they believe and how they practice their beliefs. Those ppl are simply just advocating their religion and "holy" text not objectively addressing that to believe in a higher power all you need is to believe in it not a book telling you how and made up man written scriptures with fictional stories.

I'm not saying you're wrong because I think you're wrong. You're wrong because you're factually wrong. You can't tell other ppl what they can believe in and what they can't believe in. You can't tell a person they have to believe in a "holy" book if they want to believe in GOD.

Like I said before you don't want to accept that, go educate yourself. or wallow in that specific kind of ignorance.
 
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am1x90xnike said:
Attack my arguments b, thats what I ask...


No I don't understand why because I live in a different world where the truth/logic matters.

You don't have to take me seriously, in real life, plenty of people take me seriously, and like I always say, ya'll talk that cash until ya'll staring at a couple years and need someone to stand with you...and...without question I will...for a fee, but ya'll can get the NT discount.

It's cool though, I know who I am and when you sit at home, away from the twilight of the interwebz and you think about what I post, it really may change your perspective on the world.
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What the hell are you even talking about.
 
wait...do you not understand words? I think it's pretty clear Dale...don't come at me cuz John Redcorn is d'ing down your girl...Joseph will turn out to be a great athlete, it's cool man.
 
wait...do you not understand words? I think it's pretty clear Dale...don't come at me cuz John Redcorn is d'ing down your girl...Joseph will turn out to be a great athlete, it's cool man.
 
RustyShackleford said:
am1x90xnike said:
Attack my arguments b, thats what I ask...


No I don't understand why because I live in a different world where the truth/logic matters.

You don't have to take me seriously, in real life, plenty of people take me seriously, and like I always say, ya'll talk that cash until ya'll staring at a couple years and need someone to stand with you...and...without question I will...for a fee, but ya'll can get the NT discount.

It's cool though, I know who I am and when you sit at home, away from the twilight of the interwebz and you think about what I post, it really may change your perspective on the world.
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What the hell are you even talking about.
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This is why I skip most of his posts. He always bordering on delusional with what he says. Almost boggles my mind how he can't properly or appropriately convey his thoughts so that they make sense since he claims to value logic and truth. You'd think before jumping to post he'd even consider a few other alternatives to the way he thinks.

But no to him being homosexual is just a sex act. Following that poor logic, you aren't straight until you have heterosexual sex. Meaning that a gay person can still be heterosexual by having heterosexual sex if they chose to :lol:
 
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yes, that is exactly the logic...I don't impose sexuality on kids. You choose who you have sex with, a gay person who only has sex with women, is in fact, a straight dude that enjois rainbows, hot pants and loud clothing and whatnot...you kind of have to perform the sexual act to be gay, otherwise, whats the difference between a straight dude who loves Glee club and an actual gay person? Better yet, isn't that stereotyping people based on a snapshot of their life? 

So, because you understood exactly what I was saying, doesn't that mean I properly appropiately conveyed my thoughts so they make SENSE to you?

Like I always ask, attack my argument. Which you dont' seem to be able to do, despite understanding exactly what I'm saying, but for the sake of being cool acting like you don't, but summing up my argument (something I've posted in those exact words on this board before)...like...thats what I don't get, you understand what I'm saying, you don't attack my arguments, but you throw pot shots at me, reread what you posted...and despite all this, if you ever needed legal help, I'd help you in a heartbeat, and I'd imagine you'd take me pretty seriously then.

I swear, you "deep" cats lack depth and life experience. Asking questions is what it means to be "deep", if your argument can't hold up to intense scrutiny then you either concede or drop them. It's called the Socratic (or Cartesian) method. Ya'll should spend more time questioning  your reality and truths.
 
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Keko Jones said:
say what? Comparing a 10 y/o mental capacity to a 15y/o ?????

You really can't say the mental capacity by someone's age. We can all make a good assumption that they arent fully mentally capable of understanding, but all that varies.

Furthermore please differentiated between a pedo and a sex offender. Just because someone likes underage kids does not mean he has acted on it. Two different things ...
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actually you can...... there are certain milestones aka levels of mental capacity ppl tend to reach at certain ages.... aka a 3 month old vs a 3 y/o....so on and so forth. And as far as the pedo thing that can be applied to anything... a person can be attracted to the same sex and not act on it so i dont even see what the point of bringing that up.

true there are SOME exceptions to the rules, but your typical average child/teen isnt mental mature to handle/deal with the repercussions that can occur from having sex.

Plus the argument was how is it ok for ppl to be gay and why isnt it old for an adult to sleep with a child or a person rapes a person if both ppl are born this way. To which i said is with homosexuality both parties are consenting and in agreement of the act in which they are to perform and are fully aware of what is going on.

With a person sleeping with a child this isnt so because in pretty most cases the child does not fully understand nor is aware of everything involved with sex and its actions. And with rape its the obvious of not being consentual between both parties. Not to mention the decision and choices only affect the the parties involved for the most part whereas this is not alwys the case with sleeping with a child and/or raping someone.
 
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This is why I skip most of his posts. He always bordering on delusional with what he says. Almost boggles my mind how he can't properly appropriately convey his thoughts so that they make sense since he claims to value logic and truth. You'd think before jumping to post he'd even consider a few other alternatives to the way he thinks.

But no to him being homosexual is just a sex act. Following that poor logic, you aren't straight until you have heterosexual sex. Meaning that a gay person can still be heterosexual by having heterosexual sex if they chose to
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but by definition he is right...

homosexuality is the attraction and sexual act of same sex persons..... So in a sense he is correct.... society and even homosexuals themselves have attached stereotypes and certain lifestyles and behaviors to homosexuality and used that as a definition for the word and that isnt the case.
 
 Plus the argument was how is it ok for ppl to be gay and why isnt it old for an adult to sleep with a child or a person rapes a person if both ppl are born this way. To which i said is with homosexuality both parties are consenting and in agreement of the act in which they are to perform and are fully aware of what is going on.
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Not the argument. The argument is "why do we say pedophiles choose to be that way, but Gays are born that way" to which I reply, every human is born with the desire to have sex, but as they grow and go through different life experience they choose who they have sex with, thus gays choose to have sex with men, choosing to be gay.

The reason the pedophile thing is a good anology is because both are taboo forms of sexuality, defined by society. To say an English 15 year old, who can drink and do all but entire into a contract, isn't mature enough to fully understand the reprucussions of sex is a fallacy. IDK what type of lame 15 and 16 year old you guys were, but I was *******, not only that, I understood what it meant to have a child at that age. And, when I was underage and had sex with a girl of  age, I wasn't "taken advantaged of" I pursued her. Overall, I think you are vastly underestimating the intelligence of teenagers.
 
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