VA hospital may have infected 1,800 veterans with HIV

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(CNN) -- A Missouri VA hospital is under fire because it may have exposed more than 1,800 veterans to life-threatening diseases such as hepatitis and HIV.
John Cochran VA Medical Center in St. Louis has recently mailed letters to 1,812 veterans telling them they could contract hepatitis B, hepatitis C and human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) after visiting the medical center for dental work, said Rep. Russ Carnahan.
Carnahan said Tuesday he is calling for a investigation into the issue and has sent a letter to President Obama about it.
"This is absolutely unacceptable," said Carnahan, a Democrat from Missouri. "No veteran who has served and risked their life for this great nation should have to worry about their personal safety when receiving much needed healthcare services from a Veterans Administration hospital."
The issue stems from a failure to clean dental instruments properly, the hospital told CNN affiliate KSDK.


Dr. Gina Michael, the association chief of staff at the hospital, told the affiliate that some dental technicians broke protocol by handwashing tools before putting them in cleaning machines.
The instruments were supposed to only be put in the cleaning machines, Michael said.
The handwashing started in February 2009 and went on until March of this year, the hospital told KSDK.
The hospital has set up a special clinic and education centers to help patients who may have been infected. However, Carnahan said he feels more should be done and those responsible should be disciplined.
"I can only imagine the horror and anger our veterans must be feeling after receiving this letter," Carnahan said. "They have every right to be angry. So am I."
This is not the first time this year a hospital has been in hot water for not following proper procedures.
In June, Palomar Hospital in San Diego, California, has sent certified letters to 3,400 patients who underwent colonoscopy and other similar procedures, informing the patients that there may be a potential of infection from items used and reused in the procedures.
 
And those people may have spread it to someone else.

And those people may have spread it to someone else.

And then those people my have spread it to someone else...
 
Wow....let's really hope this isn't true. That would be downright awful. That place should be shut down and robbed of every single dollar they have.
 
Go for a root canal. Leave with HIV.

These VA clinics have really been ****ing over veterans. They deserve better.
 
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Dr. Gina Michael, the association chief of staff at the hospital, told the affiliate that some dental technicians broke protocol by handwashing tools before putting them in cleaning machines.
The instruments were supposed to only be put in the cleaning machines, Michael said.
The handwashing started in February 2009 and went on until March of this year, the hospital told KSDK.
How does handwashing the tools before using the cleaning machine prevent the cleaning machine from effectively sterilizing the tools?
 
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Dr. Gina Michael, the association chief of staff at the hospital, told the affiliate that some dental technicians broke protocol by handwashing tools before putting them in cleaning machines.

The instruments were supposed to only be put in the cleaning machines, Michael said.

The handwashing started in February 2009 and went on until March of this year, the hospital told KSDK.

How does handwashing the tools before using the cleaning machine prevent the cleaning machine from effectively sterilizing the tools?
I would assume because trace amounts of the virus that doesn't get washed away would get left behind in the sink and surrounding areas. You have to heat them up to kill it properly. They would just linger.

Though from what I remember HIV also dies on air contact so someone more informed could tell you more...
 
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Dr. Gina Michael, the association chief of staff at the hospital, told the affiliate that some dental technicians broke protocol by handwashing tools before putting them in cleaning machines.

The instruments were supposed to only be put in the cleaning machines, Michael said.

The handwashing started in February 2009 and went on until March of this year, the hospital told KSDK.

How does handwashing the tools before using the cleaning machine prevent the cleaning machine from effectively sterilizing the tools?

regular water messes with the cleaning solution used making them less effective
 
Sensational thread title bros.

Pls read the actual article.
Tragic situation nonetheless.
 
 
 
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Dr. Gina Michael, the association chief of staff at the hospital, told the affiliate that some dental technicians broke protocol by handwashing tools before putting them in cleaning machines.

The instruments were supposed to only be put in the cleaning machines, Michael said.

The handwashing started in February 2009 and went on until March of this year, the hospital told KSDK.
How does handwashing the tools before using the cleaning machine prevent the cleaning machine from effectively sterilizing the tools?
regular water messes with the cleaning solution used making them less effective
It doesn't state the cleaning technique, though. Do you have a source? "Cleaning machine" is so vague. 
 
 
 
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Dr. Gina Michael, the association chief of staff at the hospital, told the affiliate that some dental technicians broke protocol by handwashing tools before putting them in cleaning machines.


The instruments were supposed to only be put in the cleaning machines, Michael said.


The handwashing started in February 2009 and went on until March of this year, the hospital told KSDK.


How does handwashing the tools before using the cleaning machine prevent the cleaning machine from effectively sterilizing the tools?


regular water messes with the cleaning solution used making them less effective

It doesn't state the cleaning technique, though. Do you have a source? "Cleaning machine" is so vague. 

most cleaning machines used by medical facilities are Ultrasonic Cleaners so yeah
 
 
 
 
 
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Dr. Gina Michael, the association chief of staff at the hospital, told the affiliate that some dental technicians broke protocol by handwashing tools before putting them in cleaning machines.


The instruments were supposed to only be put in the cleaning machines, Michael said.


The handwashing started in February 2009 and went on until March of this year, the hospital told KSDK.

How does handwashing the tools before using the cleaning machine prevent the cleaning machine from effectively sterilizing the tools?

regular water messes with the cleaning solution used making them less effective
It doesn't state the cleaning technique, though. Do you have a source? "Cleaning machine" is so vague. 
most cleaning machines used by medical facilities are Ultrasonic Cleaners so yeah
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ultrasonic cleaners do not sterilize, they clean debris well and that's about it. 
 
Shesh that's horrible my boy is a dr at the VA in Brooklyn, and he said the put new inexperienced dr's in there to get there feet wet, man that's gonna be some suit
 
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