What should Obama do to our immigrant system?

What should Obama do with our immigration system?

  • Grant amnesty to all undocumented immigrants

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JohnnyRedStorm said:
I've been talking about the bigger issues the whole time in this thread that need to be prioritized. Don't get upset because your ideas are asinine and pale in comparison to the real problems that are holding this country behind. Spending that much on war is a far greater threat to our livelihoods than a bunch of illegals taking jobs that none of you privileged Americans wanna do in the first place. Stop being ignorant and thinking immigrants are the reason we are where we are as a country. We are where we are because of corporate greed, cronyism and a series of wars that cater to a select few.
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In what way is it asinine?  You could pay 1.8 million soldiers to secure the border with the money we spend on people that aren't supposed to be here.  There is nothing asinine about that.  Also, we are talking about illegal immigrants, not all immigrants.  They are two completely different groups. 

But hey, maybe I'll just move into one of those Sands Point guest houses....it's a lot nicer than where I live and they have the space.  Who care's if I'm not supposed to be there?

Sands Point...here I come!
 
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Most people think of illegal immigration as Mexicans, but there's a lot of other nationalities that "sneak" in too, but it doesn't fit the agenda.

Also, where's Congress's bill on immigration?
 
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JohnnyRedStorm said:
I've been talking about the bigger issues the whole time in this thread that need to be prioritized. Don't get upset because your ideas are asinine and pale in comparison to the real problems that are holding this country behind. Spending that much on war is a far greater threat to our livelihoods than a bunch of illegals taking jobs that none of you privileged Americans wanna do in the first place. Stop being ignorant and thinking immigrants are the reason we are where we are as a country. We are where we are because of corporate greed, cronyism and a series of wars that cater to the benefits of a select few.
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And in addition....your answer is to fix your broken leg because walking is more important...but just leaving your arm broken because screw it...you can walk you don't "need" that arm...who cares if it's broken and going to get an infection....apparently not you. 

Not to mention...how is granting defacto amnesty addressing any of those more important issues you bring up?
 
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What jobs are they taking actually?

I've always loved how people wanna kick people out of a stolen country Mexican's have as much or more right to this land as anyone.

We should hire 40,000 ppl with jetpacks and let them patrol the border.
 
CashBanks said:
What jobs are they taking actually?

I've always loved how people wanna kick people out of a stolen country Mexican's have as much or more right to this land as anyone.

We should hire 40,000 ppl with jetpacks and let them patrol the border.
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I know that they take a good amount of warehouse jobs. 
 
If ive got chicken pox, the flu, and pnuemonia, can I not complain about my sprained wrist.
CashBanks said:
What jobs are they taking actually?

I've always loved how people wanna kick people out of a stolen country Mexican's have as much or more right to this land as anyone.

We should hire 40,000 ppl with jetpacks and let them patrol the border.
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All manual labor jobs. Why would a construction foreman hire somebody for $16 an hour when he could hire an illegal for $5?
 
Lmao.

You dont realize that these companies are hooked on cheap labor. American workers cost too much with benefits, rights and all.
 
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Lmao.

You dont realize that these companies are hooked on cheap labor. American workers cost too much with benefits, rights and all.
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Exactly the problem. But if there are no illegals in this country then they will be forced to hire American workers. Simple. 
 
oneilmatt said:
Exactly the problem. But if there are no illegals in this country then they will be forced to hire American workers. Simple. 
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Not so simple. Corporations are moving their operations to places with lax regulation and oversight. Those places are not in America.
 
I have a hard time buying any of this with out some proof especially coming from NT's resident racist and a cat named yung rich white boy

Where are you guys getting this info from? I live in NY tho so this isn't an issue here and I personally believe it's being over blown, you dudes aint about to be out here cutting grass and farming



I feel like if people are willing to work an obey the law then i have no problem with them being here



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Or outsource.
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nah american companies wouldn't do that.
 
CashBanks said:
I have a hard time buying any of this with out some proof especially coming from NT's resident racist and a cat named yung rich white boy

Where are you guys getting this info from? I live in NY tho so this isn't an issue here and I personally believe it's being over blown, you dudes aint about to be out here cutting grass and farming

I feel like if people are willing to work an obey the law then i have no problem with them being here
nah american companies wouldn't do that.
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But but being here they show they cannot obey the law. The broke it the second they hopped the fence. They are inherently criminals. 

But to address your want of sources:

http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-aliens-taking-u-s-jobs

http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/ovic/Vie...err60700&zid=03b0396267fafd72242a67bb447fa28d

http://cis.org/illegalImmigration-employment

Its not America's responsibility to provide jobs and free stuff to illegals. It's not our fault that the Mexican government and economy is shambles. If the tables were turned, the only thing illegal American immigrants would get from Mexico would be 10 years in a Mexican prison.
 
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As a former illegal immigrant from basically 95 to 2013. Im extremely bias when saying I think we are in need of new immigration reform. Im especially behind the "American dream act" which I think some of you guys should look into. There are too many loopholes you have to jump through currently to obtain a legal status right now. I came here in 95ish, I was born in 91. I came with a "visiting" visa. My parents decided to stay, I have been held accountable for their mistakes my entire life. When I say mistakes, I mean them not going about it the legal way. Long story short, I believe if you were brought here as a minor and the u.s is all you know how can the system just say well go back to your country and do things the right way, when what you know to be home is here in the us. Why should they pay for mistakes they had no control over. I was 4 when I was brought here. 5 when thry illegally enrolled me in school. Around 11 when my visa expired. Yet i hold all responsibility now. Sorry for long post.
 
oneilmatt said:
But but being here they show they cannot obey the law. The broke it the second they hopped the fence. They are inherently criminals. 

But to address your want of sources:

http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-aliens-taking-u-s-jobs

http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/ovic/Vie...err60700&zid=03b0396267fafd72242a67bb447fa28d

http://cis.org/illegalImmigration-employment

Its not America's responsibility to provide jobs and free stuff to illegals. It's not our fault that the Mexican government and economy is shambles. If the tables were turned, the only thing illegal American immigrants would get from Mexico would be 10 years in a Mexican prison.
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it is our fault their economy is in shambles. The guns and money that head south are a textbook economic destabilization tactic and allow the narcos power over thé political state.
 
Basically I think they should be more lenient with minors, people brought here as minors. I know I get it, well that will just provoke immigrants on bringing more kids over here and expose them to the dangerous path that I takes to get here. Its a catch 22, win/lose situation. I also think that if you are a law abiding immigrant who does pay there taxes there should be an expedited process to achieve a legal status here.
 
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oneilmatt said:
But but being here they show they cannot obey the law. The broke it the second they hopped the fence. They are inherently criminals. 

But to address your want of sources:

http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-aliens-taking-u-s-jobs

http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/ovic/Vie...err60700&zid=03b0396267fafd72242a67bb447fa28d

http://cis.org/illegalImmigration-employment

Its not America's responsibility to provide jobs and free stuff to illegals. It's not our fault that the Mexican government and economy is shambles. If the tables were turned, the only thing illegal American immigrants would get from Mexico would be 10 years in a Mexican prison.
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It's not just Mexicans though, and I really think you should look into the US policies before you paint with a broad brush. War on drugs is a start.
 
oneilmatt said:
But but being here they show they cannot obey the law. The broke it the second they hopped the fence. They are inherently criminals. 

But to address your want of sources:

http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-aliens-taking-u-s-jobs

http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/ovic/Vie...err60700&zid=03b0396267fafd72242a67bb447fa28d

http://cis.org/illegalImmigration-employment

Its not America's responsibility to provide jobs and free stuff to illegals. It's not our fault that the Mexican government and economy is shambles. If the tables were turned, the only thing illegal American immigrants would get from Mexico would be 10 years in a Mexican prison.
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Couldn't this same sort of logic be applied to people of european descent, since they came here raping and murdering all the people that already lived here, i guess their all inherently murderers and rapists.

And lets stop pretending that America has nothing to do with whats going on in mexico our "war on drugs" is a joke we pump guns in and drugs out but want to turn our back to the people looking to escape the madness :smh:
 
And American companies move over there, for slave wages. I love the "it's not our fault crowd"
 
CashBanks said:
Couldn't this same sort of logic be applied to people of european descent, since they came here raping and murdering all the people that already lived here, i guess their all inherently murderers and rapists.

And lets stop pretending that America has nothing to do with whats going on in mexico our "war on drugs" is a joke we pump guns in and drugs out but want to turn our back to the people looking to escape the madness
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Not even remotely the same thing. Am I a rapist because my great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpa may or may not have raped somebody? Ignorance. As if Europeans were the only ones to rape and kill 
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Illegal immigration is happening right now. As we speak there are people breaking our laws and crawling under the fence. 

Mexico is in shambles because its government is corrupt from the top down. Do the drugs and guns contribute? Absolutely. But they aren't the root and their absence wouldnt change anything. 
 
The problem is there is tons of people overseas that would kill for the opportunity to just walk over the border to the US and take their chances. Africa has way more murder, death and despair than Mexico but those folks HAVE to go about it the legal way. They need to win a lottery or go the marriage/education route. The number of illegals in this country reduces the amount of legal immigrants we can accept. It's like robbing a bank and thinking you should get to keep the money since you already have it in your possesion. No, it belongs to other people that worked hard to obtain it legally.
 
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There are tons of people from overseas here already that are illegal. Chinese, Polish, Indian, the list goes on. Don't know why the focus is only on Mexicans/south America. I know a few that come thru the northern border with ease.
 
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