What should Obama do to our immigrant system?

What should Obama do with our immigration system?

  • Grant amnesty to all undocumented immigrants

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  • Secure border and deport all undocumented immigrants

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We can never have a serious debate about solving the immigration problem in this country, because people can't past the issues that have with a few Latino groups.

"They annoy me, so I want them to get nothing, and leave". .....Yes, thank you, you've added so much to the discussion :smh:
 
nawghtyhare said:
Funny how this country was founded and then labored by immigrants
Now people wanna complain
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This country was indeed founded by immigrants, but those are the immigrants who helped and develop this country. The new immigrants today need free healthcare, free food, free home, etc. They say, "This country was built by immigrants", but the immigrants back then are different than today's immigrants. Back then, the immigrants were more educated, not to say anything wrong about today's immigrants. But today's immigrants want to send millions and millions of money back to their homeland.
 
These individuals don't give a damb bout Obama, government or even sheriff arpiao.
This land gives opportunity. If you can't comprehend that chance oversees conflict then you need a good reality check my friend.

MR HIGHNESS said:
I'm surprised there's more amnesty votes.

I know it may cost more to deport them, but I think most undocumented immigrants are here to wait for Obama do grant amnesty and if Obama does not grant amnesty, it's a high chance that many of them will self deport, saving millions of money. I know people are saying they're trying to get away from violence and hunger, but when I saw pictures of undocumented immigrants, some women were kind of big with 4-5 kids.
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You're right. English settlers didn't send money n goods back to England, neither did the Spanish, French, nor Dutch. Nope, this land was ripe for the taking, nothing but savages here. N of course it was only their blood, sweat, n tears that built this country, not the African slaves they forced here. So yeah, you're right, they're the only ones entitled to this stolen land. N of course these immigrants aren't raising their children, cooking n cleaning their homes, maintaining their lawns. You're right Bruh, you've got it all figured out, these immigrants are different. They're not killing the indigenous peoples n forcing others into slavery.
 
I'm mixed on this. This is a land that was taken from the natives and is the so called land of opportunity, yet we are trying to prevent people from coming here. Then again, I can't really support people coming here illegally, because you can't do that in any country.
 
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PurpNyelloW said:
Give people with clean records papers.there's people who have been living here to long that don't even know how to speak or understand the language from their country
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Not our problem. Deport them. This entire crisis at the border has been a joke that the taxpayer has been footing the bill for. Thousands upon thousands of "kids" living on military bases and various other shelters while they won't have a hearing for years. This influx is due to a huge misunderstanding by those in Central America of our immigration policy during the Obama administration. Only in the United States do we give non citizens rights and privileges they don't deserve. You think its a coincidence that he's waiting until after the elections to do something? Citizenship should be hard to attain. This is a slap in the face to those who did it the right way.
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Moe Fab said:
You're right. English settlers didn't send money n goods back to England, neither did the Spanish, French, nor Dutch. Nope, this land was ripe for the taking, nothing but savages here. N of course it was only their blood, sweat, n tears that built this country, not the African slaves they forced here. So yeah, you're right, they're the only ones entitled to this stolen land. N of course these immigrants aren't raising their children, cooking n cleaning their homes, maintaining their lawns. You're right Bruh, you've got it all figured out, these immigrants are different. They're not killing the indigenous peoples n forcing others into slavery.
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I sense your sarcasm, and I'm not for all the "bad" stuff they did, but what if they didn't do all of that? How do you think America would be today? You think it would still be a free country? Or another corrupt country? What if China took it and ended up being a communist country with super strict rules? You think you'd be alive right now and live a good life being able to be free to be online? I mean I get your point, but you should think about alternative actions if something ended up different.
 
Oh YoU MaD said:
GeminiStar said:
1. If you come over here as an adult, get ya damn papers! No excuse.


2. If you come over here, learn the damn language! Don't be chilling here for 20+ years and don't even bother to get a good grasp of the primary language. FOH what you think this is?


3. If someone was brought over here by their parents as a child then grant them amnesty cause they had no choice in the matter and this is all they know. At that point they're as much of an American as you and me, they grew up and lived they're formative years here.


4. Deport all the people that came over here as an adult, been here for YEARS, and still haven't properly become a legal citizen. I'm sorry but it's only right.


5. Miss me with all of that "a lot of immigrants work harder than some citizens that cheat the system" BS. For every lazy mofo that sit on they're as all day and collect checks or whatever, there are 5 people willing to work hard and get it. And guess what, that lazy person that cheats the system still has more of a right to stay here CAUSE THEY WERE BORN HERE. THEY ARE A US CITIZEN, AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT ISN'T, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD AND GET OVER IT. Other countries don't play that ish with US citizens, so we should just cause?


6. Punish the mofos with money that purposely hire illegal immigrants to save money and cheat the system.
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I wish these people would get deported
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You mad?
 
MR HIGHNESS said:
nawghtyhare said:
Funny how this country was founded and then labored by immigrants
Now people wanna complain
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This country was indeed founded by immigrants, but those are the immigrants who helped and develop this country. The new immigrants today need free healthcare, free food, free home, etc. They say, "This country was built by immigrants", but the immigrants back then are different than today's immigrants. Back then, the immigrants were more educated, not to say anything wrong about today's immigrants. But today's immigrants want to send millions and millions of money back to their homeland.
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Brah stop talking like all illegal, or wanna be immigrants to this country are the same.

Our current system keeps a lot of desirable people out of the country too. That why so many tech firms are in favor on immigration reform.
 
JohnnyRedStorm said:
The bigger joke the tax payer has been footing the bill for is the wars and bank bailouts. But let Rell cook with his republican nonsense.
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high five bruh..

Dude need to be concerned about these corporations skipping on taxes
 
RustyShackleford said:
Brah stop talking like all illegal, or wanna be immigrants to this country are the same.

Our current system keeps a lot of desirable people out of the country too. That why so many tech firms are in favor on immigration reform.
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They come here the illegal way, and there's a reason. If they wanted to come here for the right purposes, they'd do it the fair way like every other legal immigrant. Many of our hospitals are too full and the workers are loaded with work and cannot cater and give care to all of them, many hospitals have closed down, many undocumented immigrants are actually living good in detention centers, our system does keep people out, but we don't know what the ratio is between deportation and migration and there's potential more to come even today.
 
MR HIGHNESS said:
Moe Fab said:
You're right. English settlers didn't send money n goods back to England, neither did the Spanish, French, nor Dutch. Nope, this land was ripe for the taking, nothing but savages here. N of course it was only their blood, sweat, n tears that built this country, not the African slaves they forced here. So yeah, you're right, they're the only ones entitled to this stolen land. N of course these immigrants aren't raising their children, cooking n cleaning their homes, maintaining their lawns. You're right Bruh, you've got it all figured out, these immigrants are different. They're not killing the indigenous peoples n forcing others into slavery.
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I sense your sarcasm, and I'm not for all the "bad" stuff they did, but what if they didn't do all of that? How do you think America would be today? You think it would still be a free country? Or another corrupt country? What if China took it and ended up being a communist country with super strict rules? You think you'd be alive right now and live a good life being able to be free to be online? I mean I get your point, but you should think about alternative actions if something ended up different.
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That was bad stuff tho, genocide n slavery is always bad. If it didn't happen, things would be a lot fairer for all races kuz no slavery nor genocide, means no means for retaliation nor the fear n hate that comes with it. We'd still be free, in my mind, but still corrupt; with power comes corruption. Saying what if China took over n we became communist is ignorant, seeing as how Mao didn't come to power in China until after WWII, which was 400 years after said atrocities n they've historically been isolationist. Brush up on history before posing hypotheticals next time, your points of view will be better articulated. As far as taking into account alternatives, what if you were a little more empathetic n realized the solution isn't so simple?
 
MR HIGHNESS said:
RustyShackleford said:
Brah stop talking like all illegal, or wanna be immigrants to this country are the same.

Our current system keeps a lot of desirable people out of the country too. That why so many tech firms are in favor on immigration reform.
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They come here the illegal way, and there's a reason. If they wanted to come here for the right purposes, they'd do it the fair way like every other legal immigrant. Many of our hospitals are too full and the workers are loaded with work and cannot cater and give care to all of them, many hospitals have closed down, many undocumented immigrants are actually living good in detention centers, our system does keep people out, but we don't know what the ratio is between deportation and migration and there's potential more to come even today.
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Brah the a illegal immigrants form the Caribbean, Africa, and Europe. I know plenty of "illegals" that pay outta pocket for the healthcare and dental work. Work like hell to send money back home, pay taxes, and are trying save the 8Gs so they need to pay the an agency to find them a spouse to marry.

Not everyone of them is a leech on the system brah.

And there are a lot of high skilled workers from Europe and Asia that would be making upwards of 80K if they could get into this country. Google, MS, FB all want immigration reform because they want to bring in the workers. Entrepreneurs from other countries what to come to America to open business but the process is too time consuming and unpredictable (another huge problem) so they say screw it. There people would add a lot to the country but our malfunctioning system is keeping them out.

It is not only a "what we gonna do wit these leeches" problem
 
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MR HIGHNESS said:
I'm surprised there's more amnesty votes.

I know it may cost more to deport them, but I think most undocumented immigrants are here to wait for Obama do grant amnesty and if Obama does not grant amnesty, it's a high chance that many of them will self deport, saving millions of money. I know people are saying they're trying to get away from violence and hunger, but when I saw pictures of undocumented immigrants, some women were kind of big with 4-5 kids.
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Often times, that fattiest foods are the cheapest. Flour and beans for EXAMPLE are very cheap. If you're a poor immigrant shopping at trader Joes, Whole foods eating healthy, you're doing it wrong and won't last long.

I'm living in So cal now, and if you go a few miles in any direction you'll be in area with MAJORITY immigrants.
 
Moe Fab said:
That was bad stuff tho, genocide n slavery is always bad. If it didn't happen, things would be a lot fairer for all races kuz no slavery nor genocide, means no means for retaliation nor the fear n hate that comes with it. We'd still be free, in my mind, but still corrupt; with power comes corruption. Saying what if China took over n we became communist is ignorant, seeing as how Mao didn't come to power in China until after WWII, which was 400 years after said atrocities n they've historically been isolationist. Brush up on history before posing hypotheticals next time, your points of view will be better articulated. As far as taking into account alternatives, what if you were a little more empathetic n realized the solution isn't so simple?
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Actually, if there was no slavery, I'm pretty sure there would have been genocide instead. I don't think all ethnic groups would get a long back then as we are today. And that China example was just a random hypothetical example, I could have used a different country, nor is this a thread about World War 2 or any other talk of war. But since you bring up some history, did you know that slavery didn't actually start in the U.S? And that slavery and genocide happened many years ago in Europe? So this "bad" stuff was already happening. What if you were a little more logical and realized that if none of what you said happened, you likely would not be alive today and living the way you are now.
 
MR HIGHNESS said:
Moe Fab said:
That was bad stuff tho, genocide n slavery is always bad. If it didn't happen, things would be a lot fairer for all races kuz no slavery nor genocide, means no means for retaliation nor the fear n hate that comes with it. We'd still be free, in my mind, but still corrupt; with power comes corruption. Saying what if China took over n we became communist is ignorant, seeing as how Mao didn't come to power in China until after WWII, which was 400 years after said atrocities n they've historically been isolationist. Brush up on history before posing hypotheticals next time, your points of view will be better articulated. As far as taking into account alternatives, what if you were a little more empathetic n realized the solution isn't so simple?
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Actually, if there was no slavery, I'm pretty sure there would have been genocide instead. I don't think all ethnic groups would get a long back then as we are today. And that China example was just a random hypothetical example, I could have used a different country, nor is this a thread about World War 2 or any other talk of war. But since you bring up some history, did you know that slavery didn't actually start in the U.S? And that slavery and genocide happened many years ago in Europe? So this "bad" stuff was already happening. What if you were a little more logical and realized that if none of what you said happened, you likely would not be alive today and living the way you are now.
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But that was the whole point, you compared today's immigrants to those from this country's past. You made the comparison, then came to the conclusion that the European settlers n immigrants were better than today's, judging by the context of this overall thread, Latin American immigrants; which by the way, intentionally or not, reeks of prejudice n racism. But I digress, I stand by my statement that if you were a little more empathetic, you would realize the solution isn't so simple.
 
^ I never said nor read anyone say anything racist. I don't even use the term "illegal" to describe them, I use more of "undocument immigrants". I never said all of them were Hispanic, and I sure has hell know it's not just Hispanic, there are undocument immigrants of Asian descent, Canadian, European, etc. I'm a colored man. I never said Europeans were better, there were more than just them who immigrated here to benefit the country.

Pdino said:
Often times, that fattiest foods are the cheapest. Flour and beans for EXAMPLE are very cheap. If you're a poor immigrant shopping at trader Joes, Whole foods eating healthy, you're doing it wrong and won't last long.

I'm living in So cal now, and if you go a few miles in any direction you'll be in area with MAJORITY immigrants.
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But that solidifies that they are not suffering from "hunger" if there are affordable foods.

If we granted them amnesty, what about our population as a whole? Taxes are likely to increase, demand increase, supply decrease, etc. Public areas can get too crowded as well as public transportation, job competition will be much more stiff, more people will equal more of a drain to our economy. America cannot support everyone.
 
I sincerely apologize, I misinterpreted your post. In no way did I mean to insinuate nor claim you as being a bigot nor racist.

However, I will add, we only know those immigrants benefited our country's prosperity kuz time has passed n they were given the opportunity; hindsight is always 20/20. During that time, there were discussions much like this one, I'm pretty sure of, that took place. I'm not claiming to know the answer to this dilemma, but I do know that there is potential for these immigrants to help as well. I will also concede that we must not allow just anyone in, but to generalize either way does not contribute to a fair solution.
 
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A lot of the land wasn't being used by native Americans but they could've coexisted with them instead of treating them the way they did. We all know Europeans have a long history of this **** so what can you do? The ones who try doing something are called terrorist
 
But that solidifies that they are not suffering from "hunger" if there are affordable foods.

If we granted them amnesty, what about our population as a whole? Taxes are likely to increase, demand increase, supply decrease, etc. Public areas can get too crowded as well as public transportation, job competition will be much more stiff, more people will equal more of a drain to our economy. America cannot support everyone.
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While that picture of the fatty immigrant shows that this small sample is not suffering from hunger, I am sure there are plenty that are suffering from hunger. Many immigrants just want BETTER for themselves and their family - the pursuit of happiness.

I would say, START making immigrants come here legally, one way or another.

Coming here illegally, the first thing you did was break the law, I realize there are many circumstances.

If I move to a different country and decide I'm gonna post-up there for the long term. I'm going to learn the language, that's for damn sure.
 
http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/29/california-governor-approves-legal-benefits-for-illegals/

Thanks to Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown, millions of dollars of aid will now be available to California’s illegal immigrants, in order to help them navigate the complexities of the legal system, the Washington Post reports.

Illegal immigrants have been streaming across the southern U.S. border, with a dramatic uptick in border crossing this summer. Most of the illegals are from Central American countries like Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, and President Barack Obama has been quick to term the situation a humanitarian crisis.

As a result of the new legislation, millions of dollars are being passed to qualified nonprofits to provide legal services. ”Helping these young people navigate our legal system is the decent thing to do, and it’s consistent with the progressive spirit of California,” Brown said.

Not only does the new legislation provide monetary support, but it allows the court to provide interpreters to the minors. More significantly, state courts will now clearly have the jurisdiction to offer the findings necessary for the federal government to grant special immigrant juvenile status. The bill was introduced last month and sailed through the Assembly and the Senate, with the full support of the Latino Legislative Caucus and Attorney General Kamala D. Harris.

“The humanitarian crisis at the border involving unaccompanied minors fleeing dangerous circumstances at home is a serious problem that requires a serious response. Deportation for some of these kids is tantamount to a virtual death sentence,” said Sen. Ricardo Lara, chair of the California Latino Legislative Caucus. “That’s why it’s critical that these kids have every opportunity to seek permanent residency, including through the Special Immigrant Juvenile Status.”

Democratic California Sen. Darrell Steinberg, one of the bill’s ardent supporters, recently went on a mission down to Central America with a group of state lawmakers to discuss with leaders how to mitigate the humanitarian crisis and strike at the root causes of the migration problem. Up to as many as 57,000 unaccompanied minors have entered the U.S. since October 2013.
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Isn't California already broke? So that's where our hard earned paid tax money is going.
 
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