Destiny Thread (Bungie) - 9/9/14

POE Treasure Room....
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11 keys so far....
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2 keys so far no more time to farm before the release of H.O.W. I'm burnt out anyway. Time to go to work ill be on like 5pm est
 
The chests aren't on weekly reset either. You can just replay the POE and use a different key each time. crazy.
 
I have to buy it tommorow since I didn't go to school today.

Followin dem rules of da household :rolleyes
 
TEKtheMAESTRO said:
i have 0 keys. smh. so yall saying we cant farm for keys anymore once this drops later today?
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Might be around for a while like how the sword of Crota guys were on earth for the last one. I definitely can see them making it so only can loot from the chest 1 time on one buff though. Not like the drop rate is that great anyways... Well for everyone but Frost that is :lol: :smh:

2 keys and 4 legendary engrams (2x special, 1 heavy, and 1 chest piece) ready to go myself.
 
this is going to sound stupid, but I don't have any new content to play, but see the queen's emissary in the tower, but can't get any bounties? I've been off of Destiny for a bit, but I have no idea what I need to do.
 
TEKtheMAESTRO said:
i said that a few pages ago lol. i know u can hit chests 3 times there consistently. but it didnt do any good for me lol. i was only there for like 1 hour.
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Ah I couldn't remember who had said that. shottadru shottadru the 1.2 update on Friday brought some of the new features and the queen's wrath event. bonde111 bonde111 so u bought the how expansion and it's not giving u bounties or are u asking if u can get bounties w/o having purchased it?
 
I know there have been some debates over the scorch cannon and what is the best/most efficient way to use it. Of course someone has broken this all down for us over on Reddit.


After seeing a previous post talking about efficiently using the Scorch Cannon, I've spent a little time looking into damage values on the Scorch Cannon and thought y'all might find it interesting/helpful for Prison of Elders (PoE) coming out later today.

I haven't seen tabulated damage values posted so the goal of this post is more so to give some numbers/percentages to the Scorch Cannon to further confirm what we already know - charging the Cannon is certainly better than not. But how much more so, in general terms, beyond "It does 11K damage!"?

I'm more than open to criticism and other numbers y'all are ready to throw out.

TL;DR
  • First tier (2.5 seconds) charge increases base damage by 125% (2.25x).
  • Second tier (5 seconds) damage increases base damage by 250% (3.5x).
  • No damage increase beyond base if stuck to an enemy and exploded before first tier vs simply shooting with no charge.
  • No further damage increase if the sticky auto-explodes (10 seconds) vs releasing after second increase at 5 seconds, so there’s no reason to hold it down further past the second tier except for periodically causing the enemy to duck as if you’d tossed a grenade.
  • The Scorch Cannon has ~3x as much damage potential when charged up to the second tier for each shot.
Tiers of Damage/Nomenclature
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As you're probably well aware, you can charge the cannon's shell to increase both blast radius and damage.
  • Burst Fire - You've fired, but you didn't hold the trigger down. Explodes on contact for base damage.
  • First Tier - Occurs 2.5 seconds after firing. Glow size increases, indicating a boost to damage (2.25 * Base) and blast radius.
  • Second Tier - Occurs 5 seconds after firing. Glow size increases twice, indicating a second boost to damage (3.5 * Base) and blast radius.
  • Auto-Explode – Occurs 10 seconds after firing. You've gone and got greedy and kept holding down that trigger. No worries - it just explodes on it's own. Indicated by a beeping klaxon. Same damage as Second Tier charge.
Rate of Fire
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The Scorch Cannon (SC) can be fired at approximately one shot per second when burst firing. Firing and waiting for first tier damage tends towards one shot per 3.5 seconds. Waiting for second tier damage provides roughly one shot per 7 seconds.

So the SC can be emptied in about 10 second with no charge, 35 seconds for tier 1 damage, and 70 seconds for tier 2 damage if all shots are homogeneous. Waiting for the shells to auto-explode takes around 10 seconds per shell, hitting 100 seconds to empty the clip.
Test Subjects
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While the SC has great crowd control potential, this was not very consistent to test easily at the moment. As such, I'll be focusing on single enemy damage for now. Going down that path, we probably care more about Majors and Ultras rather than trash mobs.

I recorded damage against several types of consistently spawning enemies/story bosses, but below is a summary a few as all pretty much gave the same indication in terms of damage increase/DPS.

Fallen Reaver Captain

Located in Ember Caves, near the entrance to Winter's Lair. I list this one first as an good example of the damage increases/percentages, since I have visuals for all tiers listed above.

"% Increase over Base" is the amount above a simple trigger pull damage is increased by charging. "Damage Potential" is the amount of damage that could be dealt if all 10 shots were fired at the referenced charge tier.
[table][tr][th=""]Reaver Captain[/th][th=""]Single Shot[/th][th=""]First Tier Damage[/th][th=""]Second Tier Damage[/th][th=""]Auto-Explode[/th][/tr][tr][td]Impact[/td][td]291[/td][td]291[/td][td]291[/td][td]291[/td][/tr][tr][td]Explosive[/td][td]1,548[/td][td]3,283[/td][td]5,418[/td][td]5,418[/td][/tr][tr][td]% Increase over Base[/td][td]0%[/td][td]125%[/td][td]250%[/td][td]250%[/td][/tr][tr][td]Damage Potential (10 Shots)[/td][td]18,390[/td][td]37,740[/td][td]57,090[/td][td]57,090[/td][/tr][/table]
While Auto-Explode and Tier 2 have the same damage potential and per shot damage, bear in mind Tier 2 takes about half the time to fire. There's really no reason to keep holding the trigger other than the satisfying klaxon.

As a bonus to this, it can be shown that sticking and allowing the shot to charge for less than the time it takes to get to tier one (no glow radius increase) deals no additional damage over simply doing a single shot with no charge.

Simiks-3

In "The Archive" story mission. I throw this one out first because he's a Major, probably much like the ones we'll run into in PoE. I'll omit the Auto-Explode values, as it can be shown to be identical to Second Tier damage.
[table][tr][th=""]Simiks-3[/th][th=""]Single Shot[/th][th=""]First Tier Damage[/th][th=""]Second Tier Damage[/th][/tr][tr][td]Impact[/td][td]611[/td][td]611[/td][td]611[/td][/tr][tr][td]Explosive[/td][td]3,259[/td][td]7,331[/td][td]11,404[/td][/tr][tr][td]% Increase over Base[/td][td]0%[/td][td]125%[/td][td]250%[/td][/tr][tr][td]Damage Potential (10 Shots)[/td][td]38,700[/td][td]79,420[/td][td]120,175[/td][/tr][/table]
You might ask why damage to Simiks-3, a level 30 enemy, was higher than that to the Reaver Captain level 11. I suspect this is due to how our Guardians are scaled down to meet Patrol enemy levels.
In Conclusion... (Didn't we already know this? Well... yes.)
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You can basically empty the clip out for X amount of damage in around 10 seconds by just firing or stagger and charge your shots for as much as 3 times more damage per cannon, albiet over a longer period of time. Don't rush to empty the thing out and milk it for all the damage you can get. The SC is a great weapon for fights where the target is not time constrained, but heavy ammo still wins when it comes to burst damage against a single target.

As a last caveat with a visual, it takes one single shot + one tier one charge to take out Simiks-3 on a Heroic level 30 mission versus a little more than a single Gjallarhorn shell.
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GGhorn still shining on them out there
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So there is a guy waiting for the DLC to open everything he has in the postmaster. He has over 100 packages to open and engrams and everything as well. 
Currently I have:
  • 66 Dead Orbit Packages
  • 6 Cryptarch Packages
  • 1 New Monarchy Package
  • 1 Crucible Package
  • 1 Primary Weapon Legendary Engram
  • 3 Special Weapon Legendary Engrams
  • 5 Heavy Weapon Legendary Engrams
  • 8 Helmet Legendary Engrams
  • 2 Gauntlet Legendary Engrams
  • 4 Chestplate Legendary Engrams
  • 2 Boot Legendary Engrams
And then I have all factions edged up for all my 3 characters, so that means once the DLC drops, these packages will contain new HoW gear:
  • 3 Vanguard Packages
  • 3 Crucible Packages
  • 3 New Monarchy Packages
  • 3 Dead Orbit Packages
  • 3 Future War Cult Packages
  • 3 Cryptarch Packages
In addition to these, I have
  • 42 Vanguard/Crucible commendations
Each one is worth 250 Reputation but with Nightfall XP Bonus, comes out to 312 Reputation each, so that means i’ve got 13,104 Reputation, waiting to be allocated, which means 5 more ranks in a faction of my choice, hence
  • 5 Dead Orbit packages
In the process of opening 20 Dead orbit packages per character, wearing the D.O. Class item means I get 125 Reputation per package opened, meaning I’ve got 2500 Rep per Character going right back into Dead Orbit for another
  • 3 Dead Orbit Packages
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This stuff is insane to me.
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Farmed for 5.5 hrs last night. 0 Keys. Literally every member of my fireteam cooked. Wright, Biggie, Prom, Frost, Bos all got keys. I got two legendary engrams. 
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Will be on right after I get off work and going in after that. PoE tonight.
 
Just be ready to catch my Warlock up so I can run get in the NF with you guys. Need to get at least one down tonight
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Cmon 6 o'clock. ... my no job brothers straight cooking in the game dude got 2 gally per character. ... he plays erday for at least 10 hrs......



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Zero23 said:
 
Farmed for 5.5 hrs last night. 0 Keys. Literally every member of my fireteam cooked. Wright, Biggie, Prom, Frost, Bos all got keys. I got two legendary engrams. 
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Will be on right after I get off work and going in after that. PoE tonight.
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this is that pain that i dont want to feel. this is why i didnt farm for hours this weekend lol
 
TEKtheMAESTRO said:
 
Zero23 said:
 
Farmed for 5.5 hrs last night. 0 Keys. Literally every member of my fireteam cooked. Wright, Biggie, Prom, Frost, Bos all got keys. I got two legendary engrams. 
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Will be on right after I get off work and going in after that. PoE tonight.
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this is that pain that i dont want to feel. this is why i didnt farm for hours this weekend lol
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I didn't either. Just signed on last night and went at it. Kinda wish I did though. Even just that small slither of farming renewed an excitement that I haven't felt in Destiny since the VoG opened up and we were just Kinderguardians like, "So we gotta stand on these plates and the door opens?!"

I'm back full time grind for the HoW. I will see all of you in Orbit.
 
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