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Great more lag
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At least they're making an effort to improve MM
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All PVP is 4 v 4.....

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Great more lag

 

Not really, Bungie basically conceded that Activision will not give them dedicated servers for Destiny 2..........so they just dealt with it by moving forward with the 4v4 PVP play modes that Call of Duty already does.

 

The lag will be the same, but less people will be red barring you in matches though.

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I'm sorry but this business deal between Activision and Bungie turned out as ****** as people predicted.
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I'm sorry but this business deal between Activision and Bungie turned out as ****** as people predicted.

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I'm sorry but this business deal between Activision and Bungie turned out as ****** as people predicted.

Question becomes what publisher was actually going to allow Bungie to receive as many resources as they did in terms of money. That is the big issue.
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I'm sorry but this business deal between Activision and Bungie turned out as ****** as people predicted.

Question becomes what publisher was actually going to allow Bungie to receive as many resources as they did in terms of money. That is the big issue.


Microsoft?

I know their pockets are deep.
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I'm sorry but this business deal between Activision and Bungie turned out as ****** as people predicted.

Question becomes what publisher was actually going to allow Bungie to receive as many resources as they did in terms of money. That is the big issue.


Microsoft?

I know their pockets are deep.


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I'm sorry but this business deal between Activision and Bungie turned out as ****** as people predicted.

Question becomes what publisher was actually going to allow Bungie to receive as many resources as they did in terms of money. That is the big issue.


Microsoft?

I know their pockets are deep.

Doubt it. They're focused on mobile
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I'm sorry but this business deal between Activision and Bungie turned out as ****** as people predicted.

Question becomes what publisher was actually going to allow Bungie to receive as many resources as they did in terms of money. That is the big issue.


Microsoft?

I know their pockets are deep.

 

Bungie had their chance with Microsoft for the Halo franchise, but Microsoft didn't wanna pay them no more

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I'm sorry but this business deal between Activision and Bungie turned out as ****** as people predicted.


Question becomes what publisher was actually going to allow Bungie to receive as many resources as they did in terms of money. That is the big issue.



Microsoft?


I know their pockets are deep.

Bungie had their chance with Microsoft for the Halo franchise, but Microsoft didn't wanna pay them no more

Thought Bungie just wanted to do more than Halo and MS was like nah... pump out teh haloz
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For some "DUH, NO **** NEWS" about D2
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Destiny 2 Is 30fps on Consoles, Bungie Says PS4 Pro “Couldn’t Run Our Game at 60”


 


In an interview with PC Gamer, Bungie PC Lead David Shaw revealed that Destiny 2
 

will be locked at at 30fps on PlayStation 4, PlayStation 4 Pro, and Xbox One, while the PC version can go as high as 144fps:


It is. It is 30 on the consoles.

But like I said, I think the mouse and keyboard switch really was far more impactful than going to a higher frame-rate. And it does play at 60 but the frame-rate is uncapped. It’s at 60 on the floor, I think, because I believe that’s what g-sync is doing with it – and we think g-sync is fantastic tech, we’re working with Nvidia. But if you want to play at 144 [fps] and your rig will handle it, it’ll do that just fine.




Destiny 2 
will run at 
4K on PS4 Pro
, and as Game Director revealed to IGN, it’s not powerful enough to run the game at 60fps:


It will not run at 60 on the Pro. I don’t want people to continue to hope, we’re going to be matter-of-fact about stuff like this… The PS4 Pro is super-powerful, but it couldn’t run our game at 60. Our game’s this rich physics simulation, with collision and players, networking etc. It wouldn’t run. Not enough horsepower there yet.




Project Lead Mark Noseworthy added, “But there’s tons of GPU power in the PS4 Pro and that’s why we’re doing 4K, right? It’s on the CPU side. Destiny’s
 simulation, like we have more AI, more monsters in an environment with physically simulated vehicles and characters and projectiles, and it’s part of the Destiny
 magic, like 30 seconds of fun, like coming around a corner and throwing a grenade, popping a guy in the head, and then you add like five, six, seven other players in a public event; that is incredibly intensive for hardware.”



Read more at http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/05/19/destiny-2-30fps-on-ps4-xbox-one-bungie-says-ps4-pro-couldnt-run-our-game-at-60/#EwU02dYJgyMFMpH8.99



Credit to @empirestrikesfirst
from the PS thread, but this is obvious.

It also appears that all the hype that both Sony & Microsoft made about the upgraded hardware for their PS4 Pros and Xbox 1 Scorpio consoles appears to be nothing but a ton of crap, especially since the GPU power in these consoles cannot support both 60 FPS and 4K for the "high graphics environments" like Destiny 2.

PS4 Pro and Xbox 1 Scorpio can run up to 60 FPS, but for games like Destiny 2........they will have to sacrifice "graphic quality" in order to do it, and Bungie DID NOT want to sacrifice their graphic quality for the console experience.

If anything, this gives more ammo for the PC gamers to take a shot at console gamers in terms of the "4K consoles" coming out from Sony & Microsoft now.

SCORPIO ISNT MENTIONED THOUGH
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Even if it was possible, I don't see them allowing it because of the marketing deal with Sony
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For some "DUH, NO **** NEWS" about D2
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Destiny 2 Is 30fps on Consoles, Bungie Says PS4 Pro “Couldn’t Run Our Game at 60”


 


In an interview with PC Gamer, Bungie PC Lead David Shaw revealed that Destiny 2
 

will be locked at at 30fps on PlayStation 4, PlayStation 4 Pro, and Xbox One, while the PC version can go as high as 144fps:


It is. It is 30 on the consoles.

But like I said, I think the mouse and keyboard switch really was far more impactful than going to a higher frame-rate. And it does play at 60 but the frame-rate is uncapped. It’s at 60 on the floor, I think, because I believe that’s what g-sync is doing with it – and we think g-sync is fantastic tech, we’re working with Nvidia. But if you want to play at 144 [fps] and your rig will handle it, it’ll do that just fine.

 

Destiny 2 
will run at 
4K on PS4 Pro
, and as Game Director revealed to IGN, it’s not powerful enough to run the game at 60fps:


It will not run at 60 on the Pro. I don’t want people to continue to hope, we’re going to be matter-of-fact about stuff like this… The PS4 Pro is super-powerful, but it couldn’t run our game at 60. Our game’s this rich physics simulation, with collision and players, networking etc. It wouldn’t run. Not enough horsepower there yet.

 

Project Lead Mark Noseworthy added, “But there’s tons of GPU power in the PS4 Pro and that’s why we’re doing 4K, right? It’s on the CPU side. Destiny’s
 simulation, like we have more AI, more monsters in an environment with physically simulated vehicles and characters and projectiles, and it’s part of the Destiny
 magic, like 30 seconds of fun, like coming around a corner and throwing a grenade, popping a guy in the head, and then you add like five, six, seven other players in a public event; that is incredibly intensive for hardware.”



Read more at http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/05/19/destiny-2-30fps-on-ps4-xbox-one-bungie-says-ps4-pro-couldnt-run-our-game-at-60/#EwU02dYJgyMFMpH8.99



Credit to @empirestrikesfirst
from the PS thread, but this is obvious.

It also appears that all the hype that both Sony & Microsoft made about the upgraded hardware for their PS4 Pros and Xbox 1 Scorpio consoles appears to be nothing but a ton of crap, especially since the GPU power in these consoles cannot support both 60 FPS and 4K for the "high graphics environments" like Destiny 2.

PS4 Pro and Xbox 1 Scorpio can run up to 60 FPS, but for games like Destiny 2........they will have to sacrifice "graphic quality" in order to do it, and Bungie DID NOT want to sacrifice their graphic quality for the console experience.

If anything, this gives more ammo for the PC gamers to take a shot at console gamers in terms of the "4K consoles" coming out from Sony & Microsoft now.

SCORPIO ISNT MENTIONED THOUGH

 

Scorpio hasn't even been released yet, of course Scorpio isn't mentioned.

 

That being said, I doubt it'll make any difference on the Scorpio either.  Especially since they still have to make the game compatible with non-Scorpio Xbox 1 players.

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Scorpio hasn't even been released yet, of course Scorpio isn't mentioned.

 

That being said, I doubt it'll make any difference on the Scorpio either.  Especially since they still have to make the game compatible with non-Scorpio Xbox 1 players.

This. It will be hard capped on consoles. They're not going to have Scorpio running 60fps while the XB1 guys are still on 30fps; then tell them, if they want to be/play better, then buy the better(more expensive) version of their system. They would catch some heat for pulling a move like that. 

 

Granted, I have a PS Pro, so if the Pro could/would handle the 60fps, then I would've wanted the 60fps and said if the PS4 boys want 60fps too, then they better sell their PS4 and cop a Pro :lol 

 

 

 

 

What if???

The Pro/Scorpio can run 60fps, but them leaving the XB1/PS4 guys high and dry like this is the very reason they are saying they can't. 8o

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This is why I never understood the reason for Sony and Microsoft to make "upgraded versions" of their current gen consoles.  Granted, they probably did it out of fear for Nintendo's potential console move......which ended up being the less-powered, but very mobile Switch console.

 

They could've easily left that upgraded technology for their next gen consoles instead, instead of giving game developers "conflicting issues" by making their games compatible for both the older version and upgraded version of the current gen consoles.

 

I don't expect Bungie to be the only developer to have these "30 fps vs 60 fps" issues going forward for their games, I'm expected other big time developers to start having these conflicts arise too.

 

Meanwhile, you got the "PC Master Class" ****bois pointing and laughing at all of us.

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This is why I never understood the reason for Sony and Microsoft to make "upgraded versions" of their current gen consoles.  Granted, they probably did it out of fear for Nintendo's potential console move......which ended up being the less-powered, but very mobile Switch console.

They could've easily left that upgraded technology for their next gen consoles instead, instead of giving game developers "conflicting issues" by making their games compatible for both the older version and upgraded version of the current gen consoles.

I don't expect Bungie to be the only developer to have these "30 fps vs 60 fps" issues going forward for their games, I'm expected other big time developers to start having these conflicts arise too.

Meanwhile, you got the "PC Master Class" ****bois pointing and laughing at all of us.

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I mean the devs def could. Titanfall 2 runs at 60fps I believe. 

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You answered yourself I take it? 8o

 

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THEN WHATS THE POINT OF THE PRO OR SCORPIO IF THEY HAVE TO CATER TO THE LOWER SPECS? NO REASON TO BUY EITHER CONSOLE THEN laugh.gif
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THEN WHATS THE POINT OF THE PRO OR SCORPIO IF THEY HAVE TO CATER TO THE LOWER SPECS? NO REASON TO BUY EITHER CONSOLE THEN laugh.gif

Bingo!

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THEN WHATS THE POINT OF THE PRO OR SCORPIO IF THEY HAVE TO CATER TO THE LOWER SPECS? NO REASON TO BUY EITHER CONSOLE THEN laugh.gif

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It's the same with this cellphone game... The difference between the iPhone 6 / 6S / 7 / 5SE?!?!?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smn_ZUGK7ZQ

- PS4 Pro will get 4K upgrade, but why not focus on 60fps instead?
- 60fps looks and feels better vs 30fps; motion interpolation video showing Destiny 2 running at 60fps
- References Luke Smith and Mark Noseworthy quotes to IGN regarding PS4 Pro power
- Explanation hasn't gone over well, but PS4 Pro spec backs up the argument (2.3x GPU; CPU only 31% boost)
- Those hoping for 60fps on Scorpio are likely to be disappointed for the same reason

- Most basic technological building blocks of the new consoles are geared toward higher resolutions and more stable framerates (not a doubling)
- BF1 is doing a lot of what Bungie attempted to do, but targeting higher framerates
- Even with a game built from the ground up to run at higher framerates, BF1 isn't able to hit a steady 60fps on consoles
- Bungie's core design is based around a 30Hz engine

- PS4 Pro being able to brute force its way to 60fps just isn't something we've seen (only Surge runs at 30 on base hardware and 1080/60 on the Pro)
- Not really fair (in Rich's opinion) to have multiplayer games running at different framerates
- No limitations to stop developers doing this, however (to Rich's knowledge)
- Microsoft has confirmed devs can use the power how they see fit
- Shannon Loftis of MS said: "As a developer, I would bet no one chooses different frame-rates for multiplayer games ever."

- No conspiracy to undermine Pro capabilities by Bungie
- PS4 Pro has always been about higher resolutions, not higher framerates
- Rich is curious to see the method Bungie uses to get PS4 Pro to 4k (native, checkerboard, or upscale)
- Also wants to see Scorpio version fully deliver with 4k
- 60fps is all about the PC version
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An analysis of Bungie's "networking model" for Destiny 2, and why they decided to maintain a "hybrid" dedicated server/peer-to-peer connection for all their co-op activities INSTEAD of a pure dedicated server network model

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/6ddfxg/bungies_changes_to_their_networking_model_is

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