So, we're back at war in Iraq/Syria. Still think we should have pulled out of Iraq?

Remember World War 2 brought us out the Great Depression.

Business in always booming for DOD contractors, hell its good for any government contractor.

Our bad economy was and still is a direct reflection of subprime mortgages.
 
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I heard a program say that tomahawks werent budgeted for past 2015 bur the recent issues may cause the govt to extend the contract.
 
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It's more convoluted than that. Iran isnt the power the U.S. is where they can just start bombing and use military force without repercussion or being spun into some "terrorist" exercise that the U.S.-Israel-Saudi trinity would make it seem. You guys seriously under estimate the might of power and influence Iran really has in that area.
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I'm not underestimating the fact that Iran does have a ton of influence in the region, especially within Shiite ruled countries such as Iraq and Syria, but that doesn't mean that they have the means nor the resolve to fight protracted wars in their allies names. They'd most likely save their capabilities for legitimate existential threats towards them such as a possible war with Israel/Saudi.
 
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The economy has been great for Wall St.

I would look at the trends for Boeing, Lockhead Martin, and Northrop Grumman.
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Right? lol you actually think the government gives a **** about regular joe and his economic situation?

it boost the pockets of those in power and at the end of the day thats all that matters...


more money, power, oil for those who already have money power oil > how you are doing economically
 
Rolaholic said:
I'm not underestimating the fact that Iran does have a ton of influence in the region, especially within Shiite ruled countries such as Iraq and Syria, but that doesn't mean that they have the means nor the resolve to fight protracted wars in their allies names. They'd most likely save their capabilities for legitimate existential threats towards them such as a possible war with Israel/Saudi.
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The U.S./Israel/Saudis arent going to do anything to Iran. Iran has nuclear capability, and the U.S. only pushes around countries who don't.

They play this sanctions and proxy war with Iran. They close off their abilities to engage in commerce and make money for the companies of their country, which ends up stopping food/gas from getting into the country. They show this on the news and blame the Iranian government for "starving" their own people.
 
Most Sunni Muslims around the world, approximately 90 percent of the Muslim population, are not Salafis. Salafism is seen as too rigid, too literalist, too detached from mainstream Islam. While Shiite and other denominations account for 10 percent of the total, Salafi adherents and other fundamentalists represent 3 percent of the world’s Muslims.
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Unlike a majority of Sunnis, Salafis are evangelicals who wish to convert Muslims and others to their “purer” form of Islam — unpolluted, as they see it, by modernity. In this effort, they have been lavishly supported by the Saudi government, which has appointed emissaries to its embassies in Muslim countries who proselytize for Salafism. The kingdom also grants compliant imams V.I.P. access for the annual hajj, and bankrolls ultraconservative Islamic organizations like the Muslim World League and World Assembly of Muslim Youth.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/o...&region=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article&_r=0



1744: The Holy Alliance

Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, founder of "Wahhabism," an austere form of Islam, arrives in the central Arabian state of Najd in 1744 preaching a return to "pure" Islam. He seeks protection from the local emir, Muhammad ibn Saud, head of the Al Saud tribal family, and they cut a deal. The Al Saud will endorse al-Wahhab's austere form of Islam and in return, the Al Saud will get political legitimacy and regular tithes from al-Wahhab's followers. The religious-political alliance that al-Wahhab and Saud forge endures to this day in Saudi Arabia.

By the 19th century, the Al Saud has spread its influence across the Arabian Peninsula, stretching from the Red Sea to the Persian Gulf and including the Two Holy Cities of Mecca and Medina. But in 1818, forces of the Ottoman Empire sack the capital, Riyadh, and execute many of the religious and political leaders. Over the next eighty years the Al Saud attempt to reestablish their rule on the Arabian Peninsula without success.
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More about the history and impact of Salafism on US-Saudi relations here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saud/cron/



Ali Al-Ahmed
a Shi'a Muslim who grew up in Saudi Arabia

If you go to school in Saudi Arabia, what do you learn about people who are not followers of Wahhabi, of the prophet?

The religious curriculum in Saudi Arabia teaches you that people are basically two sides: Salafis [Wahhabis], who are the winners, the chosen ones, who will go to heaven, and the rest. The rest are Muslims and Christians and Jews and others.

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Can you show me an example of what the [religious teaching is in the schools?

Well, here, this is a book, hadif, for ninth grade. Hadif is a statement of Prophet Mohammed. This is a book that start for ninth graders. This is talking about the victory of Muslims over Jews. This is a hadif that I truly believe it's not true, as a Muslim:

"The day of judgment will not arrive until Muslims fight Jews, and Muslim will kill Jews until the Jew hides behind a tree or a stone. Then the tree and the stone will say, 'Oh Muslim, oh, servant of God, this is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.' Except one type of a tree, which is a Jew tree. That will not say that." This is taught for 14-year-old boys in Saudi Arabia.


In middle schools...

In middle schools, yes. Official middle schools. This is a book printed by Saudi government Ministry of Education. (Ed. Note: read some excerpts from these textbooks.)
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/wahhabism.html
 
I think this explains pretty well why the administration has been constantly caught off guard on foreign affairs.
A new Government Accountability Institute (GAI) report reveals that President Barack Obama has attended only 42.1% of his daily intelligence briefings (known officially as the Presidential Daily Brief, or PDB) in the 2,079 days of his presidency through September 29, 2014.
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It's hard to do well on the test when you don't even go to class.
 
The fact is we never should have left. Its that simple. Barry bows to public pressure on literally everything tough and the withdrawal was part of what got him miraculously re-elected. Not everything can be Bush's fault anymore. Its been 8 * years.
 
Just watched this and it's a great interview with good questions regarding the War in Iraq/Syria for Obama.



Also... A real Video of us trying to train...

 
 
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