Nike Air Jordan 1 "Chicago" - May 30, 2015. (LEGIT CHECK IN 1st POST)

How many pairs will you be copping?

  • "1" is all I need.

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • 2. One to rock, One to stock.

    Votes: 8 47.1%
  • 3+. I need to hoard for no valid reason.

    Votes: 5 29.4%
  • 0. No OG Box? PASS.

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • Total voters
    17
 
He is trying to say that $190 is underpriced, and they should look at raising the MSRP
I do think they underpriced, they were good at the $170 mark but we have the $190 price now; Jordans are not designers shoes and should not exceed the $200 to $250 mark (depending on the shoe).
 
 
I do think they underpriced, they were good at the $170 mark but we have the $190 price now; Jordans are not designers shoes and should not exceed the $200 to $250 mark (depending on the shoe).
And his argument is that a shoe like the XI should be $300 retail.  That's crazy.
 
 
Wrong.  JB's decision to limit supply increases demand.  Suckers who cant live without a shoe and look forward to the next release create the resale market
 
Are you kidding?  If Jordan even thinks about jumping to a $300 price point, the shoes will no longer sell out.  They will lose a chunk of their clients based on affordability alone, and once product is seen sitting, it devalues the brand.  Im not sure why you are unable to face the fact that if people stopped buying shoes from resellers then they will go away - this isn't even really debatable.  Also not sure if you saw my edit but..

Adding the following in as an edit

What your chart is not accounting for is the 'hype' that Jordan creates around their shoes by limiting the number of shoes available.  They are playing a game of balancing inventory, and brand value.  Its not at all an inefficiency, but a planned, deliberate, and successful marketing strategy
I used $300 as an example for Legend Blue 11s, obviously other Jordan releases will have difference price points in which they sell out in the after market. Yes you are correct that Jordan creates hype by limiting supply, thus it's JORDAN creating the resellers, not customers creating them.

Also, you're point on resellers going away if people stop buying from them is great in theory, but in reality would never happen since people are going to buy the shoes they want. 
 
 
And his argument is that a shoe like the XI should be $300 retail.  That's crazy.
They are good at the $200 mark because of the patent leather, soles, and pads at the bottom but $300 is not acceptable for a shoe meant to be used to play basketball in.
 
 
I used $300 as an example for Legend Blue 11s, obviously other Jordan releases will have difference price points in which they sell out in the after market. Yes you are correct that Jordan creates hype by limiting supply, thus it's JORDAN creating the resellers, not customers creating them.

Also, you're point on resellers going away if people stop buying from them is great in theory, but in reality would never happen since people are going to buy the shoes they want. 
BUYERS CREATE THE RESELL MARKET.  Nobody else.  You have your opinion, as wrong as it is and that's cool but Im done on this discussion
 
 
Hold do they underprice a shoe?
In economics, a product has a price point in which all supply is sold out and there are no extra customers that want to buy that product at that price point. This price point is called equilibrium.

Let me use the Legend Blue 11s as an example. They made like 500K pairs (forgot the actual number) and they priced the shoe at $200. At that specific supply, the shoe is technically underpriced since the 500K pairs are sold out but there are MANY additional customers that still want a pair at that price point of $200. As you saw on the resale market, Legend Blue 11s typically went for about $300. This is the 'equilibrium' price, the price point in which customers are willing to pay based off the supply of Legend Blue 11s that JB made available.

To kill off the reseller market, JB can either A. raise their price point to the equilibrium price of $300 or B. raise their supply so that the equilibrium price of Legend Blue 11s is $200.
 
 
BUYERS CREATE THE RESELL MARKET.  Nobody else.  You have your opinion, as wrong as it is and that's cool but Im done on this discussion
You're done this discussion because you're supporting your argument with the 'logic' that exists in your head whereas I'm using actual economics. 
 
 
In economics, a product has a price point in which all supply is sold out and there are no extra customers that want to buy that product at that price point. This price point is called equilibrium.

Let me use the Legend Blue 11s as an example. They made like 500K pairs (forgot the actual number) and they priced the shoe at $200. At that specific supply, the shoe is technically underpriced since the 500K pairs are sold out but there are MANY additional customers that still want a pair at that price point of $200. As you saw on the resale market, Legend Blue 11s typically went for about $300. This is the 'equilibrium' price, the price point in which customers are willing to pay based off the supply of Legend Blue 11s that JB made available.

To kill off the reseller market, JB can either A. raise their price point to the equilibrium price of $300 or B. raise their supply so that the equilibrium price of Legend Blue 11s is $200.
But if they do that they will lose sales too, because their costumers will not be able to afford to get them.
 
 
In economics, a product has a price point in which all supply is sold out and there are no extra customers that want to buy that product at that price point. This price point is called equilibrium.

Let me use the Legend Blue 11s as an example. They made like 500K pairs (forgot the actual number) and they priced the shoe at $200. At that specific supply, the shoe is technically underpriced since the 500K pairs are sold out but there are MANY additional customers that still want a pair at that price point of $200. As you saw on the resale market, Legend Blue 11s typically went for about $300. This is the 'equilibrium' price, the price point in which customers are willing to pay based off the supply of Legend Blue 11s that JB made available.

To kill off the reseller market, JB can either A. raise their price point to the equilibrium price of $300 or B. raise their supply so that the equilibrium price of Legend Blue 11s is $200.
 
You're done this discussion because you're supporting your argument with the 'logic' that exists in your head whereas I'm using actual economics. 
You might know a little about economics but its apparent you know 0 about marketing.  You raise the price point to $300 and you alienate your client base.  You increase production and you kill the marketing plan behind your releases.  You have lots to learn
 
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But if they do that they will lose sales too, because their costumers will not be able to afford to get them.
Its not just the ones that cant afford it.  Its also the ones that don't value a JB shoe at $300, me being one of them.

He doesn't understand the marketing play behind the brand but is trying really hard, so maybe give him a rep and he will stop
 
 
I think the shoe is dope, but not for that price.  I mean the 1 is one of my favourite sneakers classic silhouette, but its in no way worth $1000.  I have shoes that are in that price range but they have real leather and real quality.

I think one day, anyone who ever spent $1,000 on a J that isn't signed by the man himself, or game worn, will look back and call themselves stupid as the shoe sits in a box deteriorating lol
You're right about that if they were signed or seen action with MJ himself yes, but a shoe with a double lightning bolt on the heels no.
 
 
You might know a little about economics but its apparent you know 0 about marketing.  You raise the price point to $300 and you alienate client base.  You increase production and you kill the marketing plan behind your releases.  You have lots to learn
Of course $300 may alienate the clients and increasing production will kill the hype. But not in a SINGLE post did I mention this is something JB should do. I just used economics to point out why JB's pricing strategy creates a reseller market.
 
 
Of course $300 may alienate the clients and increasing production will kill the hype. But not in a SINGLE post did I mention this is something JB should do. I just used economics to point out why JB's pricing strategy creates a reseller market.
NO you didn't.  PEOPLE PAYING RESELLERS IS WHAT IS CREATING THE MARKET.  You're trying too hard but are wrong all around
 
 
NO you didn't.  PEOPLE PAYING RESELLERS IS WHAT IS CREATING THE MARKET.  You're trying too hard but are wrong all around
And why do people pay resellers? Because JB is

A. Underpricing their sneakers for the supply they are producing

or

B. Limiting their supply
 
And why do people pay resellers? Because JB is

A. Underpricing their sneakers for the supply they are producing

or

B. Limiting their supply

Can't blame JB they always makes alternatives to popular retros

Legend blue 11 > legend blue 1

Carmine 6s > Carmine 1s

It may not be exactly what the customer wanted but it's still a viable option

Society today won't allow us to have anything less that what's the best..meaning if I was 12 and showed up with the 1s instead of the 11s after winter vacation I'd be flamed by all my so called "friends"

The iPhone 5s or even 5 is completely capable phone yet people who already have these phones are willing to pay resale for the next version


Buyers will always be the culprit of the resale market and Nike is feeding on this by adding bypasses and hoops like rsvp countdown timers and raffles

Consumers are hurting themselves by continuing to purchase off these resellers and atc services. It's gotten to point where sneaker raffles on Twitter is a actual thing..if ppl are so willing to throw their hard earned money away why not take what you can get?
 
Can't blame JB they always makes alternatives to popular retros

Legend blue 11 > legend blue 1

Carmine 6s > Carmine 1s

It may not be exactly what the customer wanted but it's still a viable option

Society today won't allow us to have anything less that what's the best..meaning if I was 12 and showed up with the 1s instead of the 11s after winter vacation I'd be flamed by all my so called "friends"

The iPhone 5s or even 5 is completely capable phone yet people who already have these phones are willing to pay resale for the next version


Buyers will always be the culprit of the resale market and Nike is feeding on this by adding bypasses and hoops like rsvp countdown timers and raffles

Consumers are hurting themselves by continuing to purchase off these resellers and atc services. It's gotten to point where sneaker raffles on Twitter is a actual thing..if ppl are so willing to throw their hard earned money away why not take what you can get?
THANK YOU!
 
just popped in this thread, so much economic talk. i had to look at the forum name to remember what i was trying to read 
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