Israel in denial about what most-popular baby names are VOL. Blantant Racism is blantant..

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Why Israel pretends Mohammed isn't there. It isn't a matter of racism. It's a matter of denial.


Earlier this week, Israel’s Population, Immigration and Borders Authority (PIBA) released its annual statement for Rosh Hashanah. Filled with tidbits about Israel’s population, such as the official number of Israeli citizens (8,904,373) and how many births occurred during the outgoing Jewish year (176,230), a main attraction in PIBA’s annual publication is the list of most-popular baby names.

The year 5774 saw a stunning upset when it came to girls: Tamar dethroned Noa. Regarding boys, the most popular names stayed Yosef, Daniel and Uri.

But Yosef wasn't actually the most popular baby name in Israel. That, as reported by Haaretz’s Ilan Lior last week, was in fact Mohammad.

One would be hard-pressed not to suspect racism. No distinctly-Arab baby name made it to the top 10 of popular baby names in Israel (Yosef and Adam are common among both Jews and Arab-Israelis), although Arabs account for 20% of Israel’s population.

On the face of it, the omission smacks of a deliberate attempt to exclude the Arab population of Israel from yet another thing Israeli. Yet this isn’t a matter of simple, blatant racism. It’s worse. It’s denial.

Denial of what? First of all of Arabs, of course. Failing to acknowledge the existence of its big Arab population is a much subtler of exclusion, and in a way worse than outright racism: at least when we discriminate, we acknowledge the other.

But mostly it’s a denial of a reality that isn't convenient. In recent years, Israel has developed a habit of trying to embellish or simplify reality by ignoring inconveniences. Let’s call it the “not counting the Haredim and Arabs” trick.

Peek-a-boo, I don't see you

For instance, back in April 2012, PM Netanyahu made a revealing admission. Asked about the extreme inequality in Israel and the surge of public anger, as shown in the social protests of 2011, Netanyahu claimed: “If you deduct the Arabs and the Haredim from inequality indices, we are doing great."

His statement caused an uproar but since then, the claim that Israel is doing just great if you don’t count it’s most impoverished groups has become a cliche of sorts among Israeli officials: if not for those pesky Haredim and Arabs, Israel would have been one of the most advanced countries in the OECD.

A study conducted by the Taub Center for Israel Studies in 2013 proves that even if you discount the Haredim and Arabs, Israel remains a poor, unequal, relatively-unproductive country by OECD standards. But the misconception has become entrenched, appropriated by ordinary and official Israelis for other walks of life beyond economics, whether it’s Israel’s troubled education system or, well, baby names.

In that sense, if you don’t count the name Mohammad, Israel’s most popular baby name is Yosef. And if you deduct the Arab population, Israel is a Jewish state. It’s a cool mental trick, that enables Israel to be the Jewish country it always wanted to be. It also implies, quite ominously, that Israel as a nation has lost some capacity of dealing with reality.

For years now, for instance, Israel has been concerned with the so-called “demographic threat”, a scenario in which Palestinians, both within Israel and in the Occupied Territories, become a majority thanks to their high birth rates and therefore risk Israel’s Jewish majority and its status as a Jewish state. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was among the first to raise this concern, back in 2003. Some analysts suggested the fear of it forced Ariel Sharon to unilaterally disengage from Gaza.

Which brings us back to Mohammad, and the reality that its omission masks. After all, what is the acknowledgement that Mohammad is the now most popular baby name in Israel, if not an embarrassing admission that the so called “demographic bomb” has already exploded? That Israel, despite its definition of itself as Jewish, is a lot less Jewish than it would have liked? How would you like a dose of demographic gunpowder with your honey-dipped apple this year?

But, if you deduct Mohammad, everything seems just fine. We are not racists, we swear, we are simply escaping to a much-less complicated fantasy land.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.618013


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Pretty sickening to think about, but what else is new over there. The steady prejudice and denial of recognition for the Arab population has gotten worst in the last 10 years - and Israel isn't afraid to reveal their racist and segregated ways anymore, although they're so quick to label the Palestinian-Arabs there as "Israeli-Arabs".
 
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This is why I feel I can NEVER visit or go to Israel in my lifetime. I know I won't be welcomed and treated with respect. It's a shame too, because there's so much history out there :smh:
 
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Is racism the right word here?
Exactly what I was thinking.

Dont think this is a big deal at all.

Really? You don't see the racist choice of ignoring what actually is the most popular name is? Which was Muhammad? But instead, they excluded all Arab names from the list (which is prepared and documented by the Israeli government) to be added to the list, although the Arab name Muhammad is indeed the most popular name?

Let me put explain this for you in a more BASIC way..

:smile:rolleyes)

Let's say the most popular name here in America is Tyrone (hypothetically speaking)...but a report comes out stating the name 'John' is actually the popular name, is that not racist? :lol: like how can you deny that racism isn't the right word used here?

Again, the segregation, prejudice and racism is nothing new within Israel. Especially denying actual events from ever happening. This falls nothing short of that.

The fact of the matter is the name Muhammad, so be it Israeli, or Arab - is indeed the most popular name in that region - which Israel fails to acknowledge due to their denial of the Arabs presence as a legitimate population, despite labeling them as Israeli-Arab - which then proves that the Palestinian-Arabs do not share the same rights and existance as those who are Israeli - as Israel falsley claims.
 
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Is racism the right word here?

You're kidding, right? :lol:

Exactly what I was thinking.

Dont think this is a big deal at all.

It doesn't really matter what you think, does it? We're all very familiar with your stance with Israel--You obviously have have a bias in favor of it. Should we revisit the Palestine genocide thread again?
 
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Is racism the right word here?
Exactly what I was thinking.

Dont think this is a big deal at all.

Really? You don't see the racist choice of ignoring what actually is the most popular name is? Which was Muhammad? But instead, they excluded all Arab names from the list (which is prepared and documented by the Israeli government) to be added to the list, although the Arab name Muhammad is indeed the most popular name?

Let me put explain this for you in a more BASIC way..

:smile:rolleyes)

Let's say the most popular name here in America is Tyrone (hypothetically speaking)...but a report comes out stating the name 'John' is actually the popular name, is that not racist? :lol: like how can you deny that racism isn't the right word used here?

Again, the segregation, prejudice and racism is nothing new within Israel. Especially denying actual events from ever happening. This falls nothing short of that.

The fact of the matter is the name Muhammad, so be it Israeli, or Arab - is indeed the most popular name in that region - which Israel fails to acknowledge due to their denial of the Arabs presence as a legitimate population, despite labeling them as Israeli-Arab - which then proves that the Palestinian-Arabs do not share the same rights and existance as those who are Israeli - as Israel falsley claims.

Not to knock on the racism angle, I personally assumed that it was more of an attack on a certain religious group. But I guess those two groups are specific to races/ethnicities in that area. Not really familiar with middle eastern conflict.
 
Is racism the right word here?
Exactly what I was thinking.

Dont think this is a big deal at all.

Really? You don't see the racist choice of ignoring what actually is the most popular name is? Which was Muhammad? But instead, they excluded all Arab names from the list (which is prepared and documented by the Israeli government) to be added to the list, although the Arab name Muhammad is indeed the most popular name?

Let me put explain this for you in a more BASIC way..

:smile:rolleyes)

Let's say the most popular name here in America is Tyrone (hypothetically speaking)...but a report comes out stating the name 'John' is actually the popular name, is that not racist? :lol: like how can you deny that racism isn't the right word used here?

Again, the segregation, prejudice and racism is nothing new within Israel. Especially denying actual events from ever happening. This falls nothing short of that.

The fact of the matter is the name Muhammad, so be it Israeli, or Arab - is indeed the most popular name in that region - which Israel fails to acknowledge due to their denial of the Arabs presence as a legitimate population, despite labeling them as Israeli-Arab - which then proves that the Palestinian-Arabs do not share the same rights and existance as those who are Israeli - as Israel falsley claims.

Not to knock on the racism angle, I personally assumed that it was more of an attack on a certain religious group. But I guess those two groups are specific to races/ethnicities in that area. Not really familiar with middle eastern conflict.


Take that CIA-created ISIS propaganda out of your head.
 
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You need to get your head out of your ***. I see you're passionate about the topic and that's fine, but that's preventing you from comprehending what I wrote.

I don't pay attention to middle eastern conflict. When I hear the name Muhammad, I associate that with a religion. I know enough Black and Arab people named that where I don't associate it with a race. Hence why I didn't see why the issue is about racism.

Now if you would like to explain why or talk about the assumption I made about religion tied to races in that area, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, you're brash attacks on people that they're brainwashed by some propaganda makes me believe you're just as bad as the people you're attacking. Relax.
 
You're kidding, right? :lol:
It doesn't really matter what you think, does it? We're all very familiar with your stance with Israel--You obviously have have a bias in favor of it. Should we revisit the Palestine genocide thread again?

I side with Israel. I dont hide that. But if this scenario were the other way around, it still wouldn't be a big deal to me if the popularity of the baby name Yosef was ignored in a Muslim land. There are bigger things going on than baby name lists. Tho you choose to read and respond to me, it doesn't matter what I think....
 
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Is racism the right word here?

You're kidding, right? :lol:
I'm not. I'm talking about racism as in discriminating and prejudice based on race. I don't see it.
Is racism the right word here?
Exactly what I was thinking.

Dont think this is a big deal at all.

Really? You don't see the racist choice of ignoring what actually is the most popular name is? Which was Muhammad? But instead, they excluded all Arab names from the list (which is prepared and documented by the Israeli government) to be added to the list, although the Arab name Muhammad is indeed the most popular name?

Let me put explain this for you in a more BASIC way..

:smile:rolleyes)

Let's say the most popular name here in America is Tyrone (hypothetically speaking)...but a report comes out stating the name 'John' is actually the popular name, is that not racist? :lol: like how can you deny that racism isn't the right word used here?

Again, the segregation, prejudice and racism is nothing new within Israel. Especially denying actual events from ever happening. This falls nothing short of that.

The fact of the matter is the name Muhammad, so be it Israeli, or Arab - is indeed the most popular name in that region - which Israel fails to acknowledge due to their denial of the Arabs presence as a legitimate population, despite labeling them as Israeli-Arab - which then proves that the Palestinian-Arabs do not share the same rights and existance as those who are Israeli - as Israel falsley claims.

Not to knock on the racism angle, I personally assumed that it was more of an attack on a certain religious group.
That's exactly what I thought when I read all of it (not so much attack but form of oppression). Thought whoever wrote it was looking at this situation from the wrong way.


FYI, I know we joke about "Tyrone" on NT as the black guy that smashes your girl but I hope yall know that name does not originate within the black culture.
 
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there's plenty of racism in Israel.....yall can't be this naive......well yall are american so maybe so since the news didn't tell you israel was racist 
 
there's plenty of racism in Israel.....yall can't be this naive......well yall are american so maybe so since the news didn't tell you israel was racist 
I did not mean to imply that racism does not exist within Israel but it seems to me this is just one of those threads for ppl who have an axe to grind and repeat the same damn thing they have in other threads about the same topic.
 
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All I know is if I go to Israel, I expect to meet a Muhammad.
You tell me if that's racist or not.
 
Not muslim nor an arab but I still will very much call this racism.

They are basically saying you guys don't count in an effort to make it seem as though the state is entirely Jewish when it's not.

This is what happens when you try to take someone elses land no matter if it was given to you by the most high or not.

Bring back the 1967 borders.
 
Animal Thug Animal Thug

You need to get your head out of your ***. I see you're passionate about the topic and that's fine, but that's preventing you from comprehending what I wrote.

I don't pay attention to middle eastern conflict. When I hear the name Muhammad, I associate that with a religion. I know enough Black and Arab people named that where I don't associate it with a race. Hence why I didn't see why the issue is about racism.

Now if you would like to explain why or talk about the assumption I made about religion tied to races in that area, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, you're brash attacks on people that they're brainwashed by some propaganda makes me believe you're just as bad as the people you're attacking. Relax.

No one is attacking anyone here, sir. The religion aspect of this is another topic at hand.

The name list is more or less race-targeted, just as much as it is a religious.

But my point here is that this eliminates the ability the Arabs have of claiming to be included in the Israeli population as equal with names being recoginized in Israel. It's just another point proven how racist those who are in charge of the Israeli government are.
 
Honestly out of all the news going on on that side of the world
What bum of a journalist decided to make this a story
Now I'm not saying this isnt a legit article
But man it's so much more important **** going on in the world than what's the most popular baby name
I truthfully don't give a **** who named who what
Or how many people have the name such and such
 
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Animal Thug Animal Thug

You need to get your head out of your ***. I see you're passionate about the topic and that's fine, but that's preventing you from comprehending what I wrote.

I don't pay attention to middle eastern conflict. When I hear the name Muhammad, I associate that with a religion. I know enough Black and Arab people named that where I don't associate it with a race. Hence why I didn't see why the issue is about racism.

Now if you would like to explain why or talk about the assumption I made about religion tied to races in that area, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, you're brash attacks on people that they're brainwashed by some propaganda makes me believe you're just as bad as the people you're attacking. Relax.

No one is attacking anyone here, sir. The religion aspect of this is another topic at hand.

The name list is more or less race-targeted, just as much as it is a religious.

But my point here is that this eliminates the ability the Arabs have of claiming to be included in the Israeli population as equal with names being recoginized in Israel. It's just another point proven how racist those who are in charge of the Israeli government are.
That's nice but u know we have racial issues in this country
How about we deal with ours before passing judgments on another nation
 
Animal Thug Animal Thug

You need to get your head out of your ***. I see you're passionate about the topic and that's fine, but that's preventing you from comprehending what I wrote.

I don't pay attention to middle eastern conflict. When I hear the name Muhammad, I associate that with a religion. I know enough Black and Arab people named that where I don't associate it with a race. Hence why I didn't see why the issue is about racism.

Now if you would like to explain why or talk about the assumption I made about religion tied to races in that area, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, you're brash attacks on people that they're brainwashed by some propaganda makes me believe you're just as bad as the people you're attacking. Relax.

No one is attacking anyone here, sir. The religion aspect of this is another topic at hand.

The name list is more or less race-targeted, just as much as it is a religious.

But my point here is that this eliminates the ability the Arabs have of claiming to be included in the Israeli population as equal with names being recoginized in Israel. It's just another point proven how racist those who are in charge of the Israeli government are.
That's nice but u know we have racial issues in this country
How about we deal with ours before passing judgments on another nation


My father is was laid to rest in the grounds below Palestine. He couldn't come back to America to visit us before he passed because of the strict, racist immigration laws in effect that prevented my father from coming back to America in due time before his passing.

I have 3 siblings currently living there who deal with regular segregation and inquality...I have the right to this post further bringing awareness to the racism in Israel..
 
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Animal Thug Animal Thug

You need to get your head out of your ***. I see you're passionate about the topic and that's fine, but that's preventing you from comprehending what I wrote.

I don't pay attention to middle eastern conflict. When I hear the name Muhammad, I associate that with a religion. I know enough Black and Arab people named that where I don't associate it with a race. Hence why I didn't see why the issue is about racism.

Now if you would like to explain why or talk about the assumption I made about religion tied to races in that area, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, you're brash attacks on people that they're brainwashed by some propaganda makes me believe you're just as bad as the people you're attacking. Relax.

No one is attacking anyone here, sir. The religion aspect of this is another topic at hand.

The name list is more or less race-targeted, just as much as it is a religious.

But my point here is that this eliminates the ability the Arabs have of claiming to be included in the Israeli population as equal with names being recoginized in Israel. It's just another point proven how racist those who are in charge of the Israeli government are.
That's nice but u know we have racial issues in this country
How about we deal with ours before passing judgments on another nation


My father is was laid to rest in the grounds below Palestine. He couldn't come back to America to visit us before he passed because of the strict, racist immigration laws in effect that prevented my father from coming back to America in due time before his passing.

I have 3 siblings currently living there who deal with regular segregation and inquality...I have the right to this post further bringing awareness to the racism in Israel..
I didn't say u didn't have a right
And I'm not speaking about or ur situation
I'm just speaking in general
I see people all day everyday giving their opinion
About racism in other countries
About how they oppressing this that and the 3rd
And I'm like that same **** happen in America
It's just America is more undercover with it
At least other spots do it openly u know what u getting
Here people LOVE to throw stones then hide their hands
It's sickening only difference now from back then is that they TRY NOT to put it in ur face


EDIT: also how are u here but fam back there
Ur fam sent u to live with relatives
Did they go back to live
Or u came here for schooling
Just curious
 
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Honestly out of all the news going on on that side of the world
What bum of a journalist decided to make this a story
Now I'm not saying this isnt a legit article
But man it's so much more important **** going on in the world than what's the most popular baby name
I truthfully don't give a **** who named who what
Or how many people have the name such and such
The journalist wanted to give the Anti-Israel members of NT a reason to create another thread though.
 
Animal Thug Animal Thug

You need to get your head out of your ***. I see you're passionate about the topic and that's fine, but that's preventing you from comprehending what I wrote.

I don't pay attention to middle eastern conflict. When I hear the name Muhammad, I associate that with a religion. I know enough Black and Arab people named that where I don't associate it with a race. Hence why I didn't see why the issue is about racism.

Now if you would like to explain why or talk about the assumption I made about religion tied to races in that area, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, you're brash attacks on people that they're brainwashed by some propaganda makes me believe you're just as bad as the people you're attacking. Relax.

No one is attacking anyone here, sir. The religion aspect of this is another topic at hand.

The name list is more or less race-targeted, just as much as it is a religious.

But my point here is that this eliminates the ability the Arabs have of claiming to be included in the Israeli population as equal with names being recoginized in Israel. It's just another point proven how racist those who are in charge of the Israeli government are.
That's nice but u know we have racial issues in this country
How about we deal with ours before passing judgments on another nation


My father is was laid to rest in the grounds below Palestine. He couldn't come back to America to visit us before he passed because of the strict, racist immigration laws in effect that prevented my father from coming back to America in due time before his passing.

I have 3 siblings currently living there who deal with regular segregation and inquality...I have the right to this post further bringing awareness to the racism in Israel..
I didn't say u didn't have a right
And I'm not speaking about or ur situation
I'm just speaking in general
I see people all day everyday giving their opinion
About racism in other countries
About how they oppressing this that and the 3rd
And I'm like that same **** happen in America
It's just America is more undercover with it
At least other spots do it openly u know what u getting
Here people LOVE to throw stones then hide their hands
It's sickening only difference now from back then is that they TRY NOT to put it in ur face


EDIT: also how are u here but fam back there
Ur fam sent u to live with relatives
Did they go back to live
Or u came here for schooling
Just curious


I didn't see a similar topic like this one created; that can relate to what the government of Israel is doing. If this thread doesn't gain your interest, you can simply ignore and move on to the next.

And FTR, my parents came here to states in the 80's and gave birth to me in New York City. My dad left us and moved back to Palestine in the 90's. My mother never returned back home. She now calls America home..


Honestly out of all the news going on on that side of the world

What bum of a journalist decided to make this a story

Now I'm not saying this isnt a legit article

But man it's so much more important **** going on in the world than what's the most popular baby name

I truthfully don't give a **** who named who what

Or how many people have the name such and such


The journalist wanted to give the Anti-Israel members of NT a reason to create another thread though.


Give me a break. Im sharing a story that I read on a Pro-Israeli website...next time, read the original content before posting..
 
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I didn't see a similar topic like this one created; that can relate to what the government of Israel is doing. If this thread doesn't gain your interest, you can simply ignore and move on to the next.

And FTR, my parents came here to states in the 80's and gave birth to me in New York City. My dad left us and moved back to Palestine in the 90's. My mother never returned back home. She now calls America home..
Give me a break. Im sharing a story that I read on a Pro-Israeli website...next time, read the original content before posting..
Unlike the other members coming at your neck; I was just breaking your balls. Can't even joke around without some sorta reaction nowadays.
 
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