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the fact your using this as a basis just shows how far youll reach.
but ill say the weight lost immediately after the moment of death is proof of the soul leaving the body
is killing blacks * the newest form of crowdfunding?
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but ill say the weight lost immediately after the moment of death is proof of the soul leaving the body
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and the reason is because a soul is infinite
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"Value" isn't even implied in any of that.
And are we talking about value still? because now you're moving the goal posts talking about a spiritual entity.
Make up your mind.
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value is implied isnt immateriality? meaning limitless?
you just ignore the total self part as if thats not value? the entire value of a person?
i just showed you the definition from your website
i didnt change goalposts, you tried to challenge my definition of a soul and failed.
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Again...neither "immaterial essence" nor "total self" says anything at all about something's value. Not even remotely.
Not gonna keep talking in circles. This conversation is over.
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Yes because you're trying to tell me what I think
It's kinda clear you don't see what you're doing, that's why I've told you before that it comes off like you don't know what you're arguing.
W/e value you decide to put in to it is the value. This isn't hard to understand.
That doesn't mean souls exist.
At least we know your definition now. I disagree with calling it a soul.
I'll stick with saying the value of a human life is just that.
You do know when you do this you're not making a point right?
It just comes off like you didn't understand what you read and enlarged and put in bold random words.
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i'm not telling you what you think, i'm telling you what the outcome of saying that you view everyone as equal to yourself.Originally Posted by Master Zik
Yes because you're trying to tell me what I think
It's kinda clear you don't see what you're doing, that's why I've told you before that it comes off like you don't know what you're arguing.
W/e value you decide to put in to it is the value. This isn't hard to understand.
That doesn't mean souls exist.
At least we know your definition now. I disagree with calling it a soul.
I'll stick with saying the value of a human life is just that.
You do know when you do this you're not making a point right?
It just comes off like you didn't understand what you read and enlarged and put in bold random words.
you dont view everyone as equal to yourself tho, some people have more meaning and some people have less.
so what value is the life anyone don't you personally know? is it equal to yours?
what metric are you using to value people's lives if you don't believe in the essence of people?
therefore, how can you place a value on anyones life?
if youre not using the soul as on objective measure, then what do you use to place value on life? or is just what peoples lives mean to you?
and i enlarged and boldened the words that are synonymous with value.
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Again this is you telling me what I think. Trying to call it anything else is folly.i'm not telling you what you think, i'm telling you what the outcome of saying that you view everyone as equal to yourself.Yes because you're trying to tell me what I think
It's kinda clear you don't see what you're doing, that's why I've told you before that it comes off like you don't know what you're arguing.
W/e value you decide to put in to it is the value. This isn't hard to understand.
That doesn't mean souls exist.
At least we know your definition now. I disagree with calling it a soul.
I'll stick with saying the value of a human life is just that.
You do know when you do this you're not making a point right?
It just comes off like you didn't understand what you read and enlarged and put in bold random words.
you dont view everyone as equal to yourself tho, some people have more meaning and some people have less.
so what value is the life anyone don't you personally know? is it equal to yours?
what metric are you using to value people's lives if you don't believe in the essence of people?
therefore, how can you place a value on anyones life?
if youre not using the soul as on objective measure, then what do you use to place value on life? or is just what peoples lives mean to you?
and i enlarged and boldened the words that are synonymous with value.
Once again you're bringing up things never said by me to come up with a convoluted bull **** counter argument. Saying all human life has value despite not believing in a soul has nothing to do with equality. Another thing you brought up that has no bearing on the way I see things. If it's too hard for you to understand go back to being close minded and believe what you believe. Doesn't phase me or others who can tell the difference.
All human life has value until they do something to diminish it.
There aint no metric system. Also you just have your own made up of definition of soul so there isn't a reason for me to think it's the standard.
Same way I place value in mine.
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saying all life has value is arbitrary unless you can specify what that value is. you cant say across all people that the value is the same, thats what equality has to do with it. i can grant that everyone has a soul, an essence to who they are. according to you, since there is no soul, people are nothing more than the thoughts they think and the air they breathe.
so now there is a "hypothetical" value across all people that can be diminished from? what is the total of a life before a diminishing act occurs? what makes something diminish a life? is it just things that you think are wrong? can the value of it be increased as well? is death the ultimate depletion of the value of someone's life, or is the sum total of a persons life? does the same act diminish two peoples lives equally?
my standard definition was in line with the merriam webster definition someone else brought in. you are simply saying that the value of life is whatever you happen to say it is. if thats the case then we all need to report to you to find out what our lives are worth.
if its the same as yours, then i ask yet again is a rapists or a murderers life worth the same as yours? what about the president, is his life worth more than yours?
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I just read the last few pages. Zik was straight running circles around the dude making valid points in an unbiased manner and son just isn't trying to hear it lmao.
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ah, so now its a matter of bias
because theres no bias in giving donaters the benefit the doubt
because theres no bias in giving donaters the benefit the doubt
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I been called you bias posts ago. It's not a matter of bias, you are bias. That's more than clear with your arguments.ah, so now its a matter of bias
because theres no bias in giving donaters the benefit the doubt |I
I wasn't giving supporters the benefit of the doubt. I just wasn't accusing them of something and pretending I could prove it.
If you just want to keep playing the I'm right and everybody else is wrong angle, fine. Plays in more to me thinking you're not smart.
If that's the case for you then so be it. It's not for me.
When did I say this though?
All human life has value. The same way my life has value.
You're just making this more convoluted so you can frame this the way you want to.
It's not "now" and it's not hypothetical. These are things most ppl understand but for you it has to be explained thoroughly before you decide you can't ignore it anymore and move on to some other strawman argument to draw out. Any time you take a life, hurt ppl in irreversible ways, etc. you diminish your own value. It can keep going until you make your life forfeit.
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[h1]Another Black Teen Killed By Police: What Is The Value Of A Black Life In America? [OPINION][/h1]
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By SkyyHook, Contributing Editor
After grabbing a coffee this morning I was greeted by a 14-year-old girl in tears. This girl just so happens to be one of my most favorite people on the planet so I immediately wanted to know what was wrong. As she wiped the flowing tears from her eyes and attempted to gain control of her breath, she alerted me to the fact that people are, “Out here killing us like we don’t matter. Why don’t we matter though? Look at our President! How does this happen to us over and over like we don’t even have a black president?” At this point she started back to the painful sobs that only someone truly wounded on the inside at a gut wrenching level is able to utter. I hugged her and patted her back, still unsure of who “us” was and how we got to this particular place of such agony.
And then I thought about it for a moment. She said a few words that I put together and realized who “us” must be. And that moment, a sense of confusion washed over me. A little girl was saying what adults have been thinking for the last six years. How can they keep killing us when our President looks like us. How are they getting away with it?
How can we look into our children’s eyes and explain what we ourselves as the grownup’s don’t quite understand.
I simply muttered a frustrated, “I don’t know hon, I just don’t know” and continued to pat her back to calm her down.
She told me that an unarmed black teenager was killed by police and that even though she didn’t know him she felt for him.
Another young man named John Crawford was recently shot and killed by police over a misunderstanding in a Wal-Mart in Beavercreeek, OH and this hit her hard as well because of our personal connection to that community.
What I didn’t know was that this girl had been watching every video clip she could get her hands on of the sixties in an attempt to understand what her family had fought in the streets for. She had always felt so lucky that her ancestors had resisted the b.s. that others attempted to impose upon them. But now it was different. In her young mind she was questioning if all was for not. Because, “If the police are supposed to protect us and they’re out there killing us, then who cares about our lives? Who keeps us from harm?”
Once again, I had nothing to make her feel better about this. I was so gobsmacked by the accuracy of her thinking while simultaneously wondering the same things myself.
Upon getting her together, I headed toward the closest TV and the internet for more info. Thanks toNewsOne, I found out about the sketchy details of yet another shooting of an unarmed black kid just trying to make his way to his destination.
The story in the video below was what our girl was reacting to.
Now, after seeing the Instagram footage from the scene I narrowed in on the words of the people. They were right. Where was the media? Where was the outrage? Wouldn’t the citizens of that community want to know such a thing had just happened to a child who by seemingly all accounts was walking home and minding his own business? Of course they would…right?
Brittany Noble, the reporter who received all the praise from the community for being the only reporter to cover the story the way it happened, addressed the fact that she didn’t see any other colleagues while she was reporting.
She took to her Instagram account saying,
The Wal-Mart shooting happened in an upper middle class, predominantly Caucasian suburb of Dayton, OH. Folks there seem to be keeping relatively quiet about the incident. And since it was a young black guy from the Cincinnati area that fell victim in the situation, we are guessing they are not going to be as up in arms as they would be had it been a young white guy from the local area. Of course then, one wonders if the local media would still call a young white kid who was snuffed out by the cops a “gunman” in this particular situation. He would probably be referred to as a prankster or something of that nature.
But what happens when an African American community feels those on overseer status are able to abuse and dismiss them without any provocation? That community gets sick and tired of feeling helpless and begins to seek ways of gaining power over themselves. Whether it be through casting votes or other means of finding justice they will do so. You can not keep your boot on the neck of folks forever because at some point they will rise up and be heard. It looks like this was just such a day for the people of Ferguson.
And while I’m not saying all cops are bad, because I don’t think that at all, I am saying there must be something done to prevent people from being accosted for the crime of being black and minding their own doggone business.
As for the disillusioned 14-year-old girl (who at age 8 not only went door-to-door in racist neighborhoods soliciting votes for the first Black President but actually spoke to him and got hugs and praise from both he and his wife once a upon a time) she just emerged back into the living room to let all of us know that although her dream is to be an animator she feels maybe she needs to be a judge instead! Because, “Somebody has got to care about our people. If it can’t be Obama maybe it can be me.”
Out of the mouths of babes.
Check out Headkrack from the “Rickey Smiley Morning Show” and the song he created called “Track Me Down” which is dedicated to this particular topic in the player below! Whenever I hear about this kind of thing it’s one of the first songs I reach for.
Now…DISCUSS!
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the value of a black teens life is going to be different for everyone
people are not currency, you cant universally quantify the value of a human
people are not currency, you cant universally quantify the value of a human
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You really gotta stop quoting me out of context.
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of course now its the context
i simply quoted you having two separate definitions of what you value a human life as.
its either every life "as your own" or every life as "whatever you say it is."
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Not reallyof course now its the context
i simply quoted you having two separate definitions of what you value a human life as.
its either every life "as your own" or every life as "whatever you say it is."
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You've been doing it in two different threads. So I had to say something at some point. It's always been out of context.
I never said it was ever not out of context. I've repeatedly had to tell you to reread my posts and stop twisting what I've said, telling me what I'm thinking, adding in words I've never even typed just to clarify what I'm saying before you could even properly reply to them with adding in your own words and views in to my posts.
It isn't now and it isn't something new. You've consistently been doing this.
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and like i told him saying "human life has value" is an abitrary statement unless you can tell me what that value is.
saying simply that it has value, any value, i can take that to say it has a dollar value too then.
that value can be deemed to be whatever you want it to be.
what you all are telling me that the value of a human life is dependant upon another human's estimation.
more specifically, your own estimation.
so you would value your mom's life or the president's life very highly and you would value your childrens lives as more than your own.
however for a random black person somewhere that is killed unjustly, you have no personal attachment to a stranger, so that persons life is valued at least as much as your own but probably less depending on who you estimate them to be.
saying simply that it has value, any value, i can take that to say it has a dollar value too then.
that value can be deemed to be whatever you want it to be.
what you all are telling me that the value of a human life is dependant upon another human's estimation.
more specifically, your own estimation.
so you would value your mom's life or the president's life very highly and you would value your childrens lives as more than your own.
however for a random black person somewhere that is killed unjustly, you have no personal attachment to a stranger, so that persons life is valued at least as much as your own but probably less depending on who you estimate them to be.
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I fear son is incredibly challenged.
of course now its the context
i simply quoted you having two separate definitions of what you value a human life as.
its either every life "as your own" or every life as "whatever you say it is."
Not really
The inability to comprehend is astronomical with this dude. Son straight up making up his on things in his head and then what to tell you what you meant and posted
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Yall dead *** got 3 threads on 3 different things arguing
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how am i supposed to understand this?
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I count this one.
I put him to rest in the Boardwalk Empire thread. I"m not aware of a 3rd
unless you're counting the previous argument in here where I also corrected him.Similar threads
