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Forgot to add, Raiders
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Donald Penn has been a good signing so far. Anyways all the players that they signed could all get cut after the season and still have about 60 mil in cap space next year.

They need to continue to build through the draft.
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Champ: What are your preliminary thoughts on Zimmer so far?

I love what he's starting, but the early returns on the teams consistency isn't there. Lots of factors in play with that, but I think he's learning real quick that he needs to keep pressing, even after their big wins. Win big, lose badly so far. Defense has shown signs of marked improvement, but same inconsistencies week to week.
Mixed bag, to be honest. 2-3 is about right record wise. I think the hardest thing for Zim is eradicating everything negative that had developed under the Frazier regime. Both with player personnel (defensively) as well as attitude and culture. Vikes have been surprisingly good against the pass, run D needs to improve. Want to see Minny in the top-half of the league in that department statistically.
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So what has Verner done for the Bucs defense?  

They suck.

Point is, free agency is often a waste of money because players play great in one system and average in another.  Revis and the zone/Schiano/Belicheck stuff is actually a good example.  There's no guarantee you'll be able to use someone right or they'll be able to repeat what they did for a different coach they spent their best days under.
Because team defense is determined by one, single cornerback. Don't be that simple, man. Verner is playing decent. 30 tackles, 3 PD, INT, FF. Bucs as a WHOLE, are not performing well under Lovie despite the last-minute Pittsburgh upset.
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have to caveat that with, "when in zone defense...."


we finally let him play man on man sunday night and he essentially took care of AJ Green and made him a non factor for the Bengals. Green's TD was on the play immediately after Revis left for the locker room.



Revis is not meant to play zone. i have no idea why it took us 5 ******* weeks to let him man up the other team's best receiver
I'm not saying dude is an average talent or washed up or anything like that, but up to this point his signing has been a disappointment.  I'd like to see him do it repeatedly against a QB who isn't missing his WRs by 7 ft. with every deep ball before I say it was worth the hype.

fair point on Dalton not being great. i do think that Revis was part of the reason. i remember one play where AJ did have Revis by a couple steps and Dalton overshot him. outside of that, Revis was basically directing AJ to tight walk the sideline, which is why Dalton kept missing out of bounds. but we'll find out in a few weeks when he has to go against Marshall/Jeffrey and Bay Bay Thomas. agreed that we can't call the signing a gem just yet.

that said, i do believe the Pats lead the league in pass defense. or they did prior to Sunday. not sure if that changed. someone tweeted that prior to SNF.
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Because team defense is determined by one, single cornerback. Don't be that simple, man. Verner is playing decent. 30 tackles, 3 PD, INT, FF. Bucs as a WHOLE, are not performing well under Lovie despite the last-minute Pittsburgh upset.

Not my point.  First off the Bucs team is full of "power FA signings", so Verner is just one example of what overall is a poor team-building strategy.  Verner has been fine, but he's been far from special and he hasn't made an impact on what has been a terrible pass defense overall (31st in passing yards per game, 25th in overall defensive DVOA per football outsiders).

 

I don't meant to call you out Champ, but you declared Goldson and Barron one of the best safety tandems in the league when the signing took place, and continue to claim they're a good duo.  Now I think they're both bad, but if you think they're good and the pass defense is as awful as it is with these three players, how can you claim Verner would have fixed the Jets' problems?

 

Also Verner's zone style is the opposite of what Rex depended on with Revis, etc.

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AJ said himself that he had a step or two on Revis a few times. Definitely was more Dalton's **** arm than Revis' great coverage. Even the INT/holding call AJ had him beat.
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I thought Revis was great on Sunday night. The best I've seen since his injury. He was all over AJ.

The rumors were that Woody didn't want Revis back because of all the BS. There was another roomer that Revis was using the Jets just to raise the contract and to stick it to the Jets.

If I had a guess, I would go with Woody didn't want him back.
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Originally Posted by iLLoQuent aka DSK View Post
 

Let's not forget the Jets had their chance to sign Darrelle Revis this offseason. They were actually his first choice after the Bucs released him (Pats were 2nd). Rex wanted him...management said no.

 

Could've had dude back on a reasonable 1 year deal after trading him away the previous season for a 1st and 3rd. They drop the ball, stay $20M under the cap, and now they're in this mess.

 

Revis wouldn't have fixed all their issues, but he plugs up a huge hole and you keep him away from a division rival.

 

Rex & Geno were set up to fail.

 

Sure but Revis is on a big one year deal and hasn't exactly been lighting it up for the Pats.  It's not like this team is about to contend—they need to be looking at long term solutions.  

 

There are lots of criticisms to be leveled but not signing a bunch of random FAs isn't the right one.  Should they have done what the Bucs did?  The Raiders?  How did that work out?  They should have signed Byrd like New Orleans?  Revis like the Pats?  What have those moves done so far?  They were supposed to be one of the worst teams in football last year...  That roster has crazy holes that will take time to fill.


Problem is the local media HATES the Jets and the Jets fans side with the media, so they'll never have the time to build it the right way.

 

Darrelle's first few weeks were okay by his standards. Not bad, not great. A lot of that had to do with how Bill was using him and adjusting to the new rules (something that hasn't got much attention with a few of the league's top corners looking human). They finally turned him loose this past Sunday and he looked like old Revis. DSA already went into it so I won't go further.

 

I agree with your overall vision, but IMO it doesn't apply in this specific case with the Jets/Revis. They're familiar with each other and Rex plays to Revis' strengths and vice versa. I didn't have an issue with the Jets wanting to build from last year's 8-8 team with a coach on the final year of his deal. I assumed they wanted to at least make the playoffs and see what happens from there. They just went about it the wrong way. No sense of direction and leaving $20M on the table with a poor secondary and their second year QB running for his life every Sunday. A 1 year deal for Revis at $12M is very reasonable. It's not going to tie up your cap and you leave the Patriots extremely weak at an important position.

 

Remember, Bill went out and got Revis only after they lost Talib.

 

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This is a team that had a bottom-5 roster last year. Now you want to fire the GM because they are bad the next year.  That's why bad teams stay bad.  

 

And I don't see Ryan succeeding as a head coach.  DC yes, hell yes.  But he would have to make major changes in his approach to win a Super Bowl as a head coach.  

 

I wouldn't fire the GM. Their approach was terrible which = confusing *** offseason. It's time to map out a plan after this year.

 

I think Rex was left out to dry by a cheap owner and a GM that didn't hire him, but I'm with you on needing to make significant changes in his next stop.

 

Originally Posted by DeadsetAce View Post

Revis is not meant to play zone. i have no idea why it took us 5 ******* weeks to let him man up the other team's best receiver

 

It's crazy how Bill sometimes trusts his college coach butt buddies over people in his own front office or using the conventional approach. Did you hear on F&M how he has a history of "going rogue" in drafts? :lol:{ No wonder we end up with craptastic picks. This ******* guy.

 

To his credit, he is a master at adjusting and changing identity on a week to week basis so he usually gets it right (unlike Schiano who stubbornly refused to cater to his best chess piece).


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^ i did hear that today laugh.gif

like the Ras-I pick...god. ******* terrible. i'm sure some of those OLB misses were his doing as well
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What do you expect from wright going forward?


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What do you expect from wright going forward?


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nothing mind blowing if he's thinking for fantasy. but his role should continue to grow. if i were the OC, i'd have him lining up everywhere. inline, wide, slot, backfield. the lazy comparison is AH81, and while i won't go there, i would use him in a similar fashion. by mid season, he should be brady's third option after gronk and edelman. after those two, brady will look to him and lafell. he'll be key for NE to make noise this year though.
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post #281 of 282
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I'm just saying, what FA opportunities?  Big FA signings rarely make teams better.

-Bucs: they made the biggest splash in FA, as they always do.  The team is a disaster

We can look at past years like when the Bucs signed Goldson (terrible signing), Nicks, and Davin Joseph both of whom are no longer on the team, and were a bad team that had to rebuilt again two years later.  Goes on and on.

definitely agree. with the exception of maybe the broncos, teams that have been perennial playoff teams have built their teams around solid drafts rather than signing expensive free agents. raiders and bucs are prime examples this season of how FA doesn't improve much
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Forgot to add, Raiders
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It's crazy how bad that franchise has been in a league where we see teams all the time go from bad to good but the Raiders stay stuck at the bottom.
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