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post #3331 of 121202
With Kobe or without him the Lakers didn't have real shot with Lebron, George, Carmelo or Love

The only guy they had a real shot with was Dwight and hes a flake
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post #3332 of 121202
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Originally Posted by Mister Friendly View Post

With Kobe or without him the Lakers didn't have real shot with Lebron, George, Carmelo or Love

The only guy they had a real shot with was Dwight and hes a flake

Agreed...wouldn't call him a flake though laugh.gif
post #3333 of 121202
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The other stuff offered some food for thought. In essence, they basically said that Kobe's entire tenure with the lakers has been driven by selfish motives and he's alienated several people on his own pursuit of his legacy. He was just so talented that it didn't matter much.

I thought all that was pretty much known about him laugh.gif The article does make you think about what players he might've cost the Lakers during his prime, but it worked out for them for the most part.
post #3334 of 121202
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He was just so talented that it didn't matter much.

This sentence is what has always summed up Kobe Bryant's legacy for me

 

He did so much (terrible shot selection, attitude on and off the floor, leadership etc.) that flew in the face of conventional wisdom but his supreme talent and dedication enabled him to not only get by but amass 5 titles.

 

Of course he had a ton of help along the way (he was probably one of the most helped NBA superstars off All-Time in terms of teammates and coaching), but in the end, no matter how much I criticize the man for all of his shortcomings his resume stacks up nicely. He isn't my cup of team at all but when I knock the man he can say he did it his way and it worked out.

post #3335 of 121202
On a semi-related note, Chris Palmer got an appearance on the Lakers' TWC show?

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Why?
post #3336 of 121202
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On a semi-related note, Chris Palmer got an appearance on the Lakers' TWC show?

sick.gif

Why?


That whole channel been a cluster**** since day 1. Obviously they are going to be Laker centric with a Laker bias so I try to take it with a grain of salt. But god damn they have some awful personalities on there. Wish the Laker channel never happened and they just kept KCAL and Fox Sports. Liked that much better

post #3337 of 121202
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everyone has their strengths and weaknesses, cant watch kobe carry this team for almost 20 years and complain that he's selfish at the end of his career when his numbers are dropping off (although there's no reason for that huge contract). Kobe is always going to think he's the best player in the world, thats what makes him great, thats what was a major factor to all five of our championships while he's been on the team. Sure you can say he's holding us back these last few years but over the course of his career only a handful of nba legends can say they have brought more value to an nba franchise. while i do blame the front office for kobe's contract, theres no reason to put the blame on kobe for his contract or his playstyle. thats just the way he is and thats what makes him one of the greatest of all time

Errrrr It was Shaq's team from 96-2004 bruh. Everyone knows that Bruh. Kobe was option 2 for the majority. He wasn't the main guy until 04-now and even then besides the two rings, his selfish behavior has limited his own success

post #3338 of 121202
Its gonna be a long & frustrating season for Kobe & Laker fans
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Team is terrible, with a bad coach
Denver, Phoenix, Portland, New Orleans got a better chance at getting in.
Edited by Brondiesel - 10/20/14 at 3:46am
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post #3339 of 121202
Lol at all the typical hate. No respect.

I agree with a lot of the article but at the same time those before him did the same thing.

This weak *** crap Lebron is doing ruins the competitiveness of the game. Let's join super teams to win, ask for changes to relax more and have more handed to him.

Spurs know how to find talent hell even Cuban has built better teams than the Lakers since Buss sr. does.

To place it all on Kobe is silly this management without Jeanie making the calls is atrocious.
post #3340 of 121202
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Lol at all the typical hate. No respect.

I agree with a lot of the article but at the same time those before him did the same thing.

This weak *** crap Lebron is doing ruins the competitiveness of the game. Let's join super teams to win, ask for changes to relax more and have more handed to him.

Spurs know how to find talent hell even Cuban has built better teams than the Lakers since Buss sr. does.

To place it all on Kobe is silly this management without Jeanie making the calls is atrocious.


How? Lebron believes in team work. Sacarfices to achieve dreams. Not selfishness. Too many prime years wasted by our Favorites trying to win it alone. You know how many years Mcgrady stuggled due to a bad cast? Vince? AI? KG? LOVE? Redd?

post #3341 of 121202
Byron just coaching for a check. Dude took two horrible jobs in a row. Thought he couldn't do worse than a lebron less cavs team but boy was I wrong
post #3342 of 121202
Haven't watched any preseason games so far but which rookie/s have been impressive?
Edited by GotHolesInMySocks - 10/20/14 at 4:44am
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post #3343 of 121202
Exum has shown flashes, Jabari has been getting better as the games go by, Shabazz, and Julius Griffin has been getting thrown under the bus by Byron Scott.
post #3344 of 121202
Everyone the Lakers need is on the injured list. It's preseason. Sky is falling. Hate to say it but Typical NT NBA thread. Group thoughts

Edit: Just looked at the injury report, I knew it was bad but I didn't know they had 6 players missing. Six
Edited by a-friend - 10/20/14 at 5:15am
post #3345 of 121202
post #3346 of 121202
I was lurking Chris Palmer's twitter once he tweeted that the Jordan spizike is the second best jordan of all time
post #3347 of 121202
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He has 8 days to release 23 more vids, and he doesnt do anything on the Weekends. Simmons is moving too slow.

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post #3348 of 121202
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I was lurking Chris Palmer's twitter once he tweeted that the Jordan spizike is the second best jordan of all time

makes sense. Since the Spizike is a made up parts of like 10 great Jordan models, why wouldn't it be better than all of them?

(Not remotely serious).
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post #3349 of 121202
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This isn't going to end well...

 

http://imgur.com/a/FDqmy

Excellent article, looking forward to these next few years.

post #3350 of 121202
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Cleveland's James Jones, who happens to serve as the secretary-treasurer of the National Basketball Players Association, says he doesn't support the reduction of minutes being that it will have a negative effect on the reserve players.
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"If there's 44 minutes in a game and teams decide to play their starters the same exact way, you limit four minutes a game from a reserve," he explained "If you extrapolate that over a course of a season, you're talking 328 minutes. That's a lot when you're talking about value. I think anytime you start talking about shortening games, extending games, there has to be a thorough conversation between the league and the players. Limiting minutes has a bigger impact on reserve players."
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"If you're talking about eliminating games, you're talking about something similar to the lockout shortened season where you still don't want to play a guy 40 minutes a game even if you're playing 60 games," Jones said. "The issue isn't to find a way to squeeze the exact same amount of minutes out of a guy over a 66-game season.

"What we're basically saying is that you can get a higher quality 32 minutes a game out of guy. A higher quality 36 minutes a game. We're talking about the quality of the opportunities. If a reserve plays 20 minutes over 82 games or over 66 games, he's still playing 20 minutes. It's different when you're talking about guys going from 20 minutes to playing to 15 in a shortened game. That's one-third of their opportunities."
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As LeBron stated last week, Jones is in agreement with his superstar teammate that the consensus from players around the league would be to decrease the games on the schedule. There would be an overabundance of obstacles in the way of granting that request.

But this is a player's league and their well-being should be taken seriously regardless of the economics. This will surely be an ongoing debate that will not be rectified anytime soon.

"I would go as far to say if you ask players if they would be in favor in a reduction of games, if that reduction meant an increase in the quality of our product, I can say players would agree to it," said Jones. "But I get it. It's very, very complex, but we found a way to solve some very complex issues in the past and I'm pretty sure we can find a way to do it now. My position is after you examine everything, both sides need to sit down and talk about what is realistic, what's good and what makes the most sense."
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post #3351 of 121202
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How? Lebron believes in team work. Sacarfices to achieve dreams. Not selfishness. Too many prime years wasted by our Favorites trying to win it alone. You know how many years Mcgrady stuggled due to a bad cast? Vince? AI? KG? LOVE? Redd?

Agreed.

 

LeBron is the ultimate team oriented superstar. Too much is made about his not being a killer, as Kobe is supposed to be, yet Reggie Miller was a killer, and never won a chip.

 

I'd like to think that LeBron would serve himself well by being in the Dr.J mold, being loved, revered AND winning, as opposed to being hated and driving teammates up the wall. 

post #3352 of 121202
i def think they should shorten the season. Cut it down to 52-62, 82 is just too long. quality of the game would def pick up i believe.


but on the other end nobody will ever reach Kareem or other crazy records.
post #3353 of 121202
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Originally Posted by jbone2308 View Post

Lol at all the typical hate. No respect.

I agree with a lot of the article but at the same time those before him did the same thing.

This weak *** crap Lebron is doing ruins the competitiveness of the game. Let's join super teams to win, ask for changes to relax more and have more handed to him.

Spurs know how to find talent hell even Cuban has built better teams than the Lakers since Buss sr. does.

To place it all on Kobe is silly this management without Jeanie making the calls is atrocious.


Ironic that you would claim "lol typical hate and no respect" and then follow with the gem of "This weak crap LeBron ruins the competitiveness of the game"... it's not LeBron's fault he wasn't gifted supreme elite talent and HOF coaches his entire career like Bryant

 

Kobe one of the luckiest dudes to ever play in the NBA, and sure that's not his fault he was always surrounded by HOFers and the best coach to ever live, but who knows what he would have done if Bryant was in the same situation James was in. Knowing Bryant's win at all costs attitude, I wouldn't be surprised if he skipped town either after 7 years of ****** management

post #3354 of 121202
The lack in quality of games had nothing to do with how many games, it's the back to backs and blatant tanking
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post #3355 of 121202
Just like no one really knows what Bron would have done if he entered the league in Kobe's situation. You can't have it both ways. Kobe, for as selfish as he is, has 5 rings. He's the only Robin to ever average 28 next to someone averaging 28. We get it, he COULD have gone about things differently but the way he did go about it was extremely successful and the Lakers current situation does not take away from that. Especially considering Kobe doesn't make the decisions, management does.
post #3356 of 121202
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Agree with a lot but I see the Rubio part being a big deal because if he leaves then can Wiggins be the guy: late in the shot clock, two minutes to go this is HIS time to shine. And who will the next coach be? If they keep Rubio I can see either Billups, if he wants to coach, coach this team or maybe Mark Jackson? I think Flip would want a PG for Rubio but who is the coach that could maximize Wiggins talent. Only thing I'm sure is a decade from now he'll be a great defender and still have crazy bounce. Just shooting with him and Rubio are alarming red flags.

I would agree if we got Jabari, we all know what he is, Melo 2.0, now can he become a good defender battling KD in this division?

Bennett will have a solid bounce back I think then when Thad leaves he'll show more. I'll be patient with LaVine too. Then what can we get for the remaining vets going forward?
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post #3357 of 121202
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The lack in quality of games had nothing to do with how many games, it's the back to backs

right so wouldnt that mean reduce games?
post #3358 of 121202
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The lack in quality of games had nothing to do with how many games, it's the back to backs

right so wouldnt that mean reduce games?

No. Add a month to the season. Just increase the space between games
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post #3359 of 121202
the nba season is already long, why the hell would we want to add another month?
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post #3360 of 121202
Thread Starter 

I would be more for a increase in the length of the NBA season than a game reduction. The first round does need to go back to the best of five though. Theres no need for seven games there.

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