The 2014-2015 NBA Season Thread. Lock It Up Please: The Golden State Warriors Are The Champions

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BowB4Me said:
Although I would vote Harden or Curry. I can make a easy case why LeBron is MVP.

For starters Cleveland couldn't make the playoffs in the East last year. Every move that's made this season possible is because of him. Cavs could still barely win a game with Kyrie & Love without him this year. His impact on the whole franchise is MVP worthy. IMO
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Don't get swept up by the HGH production.
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well not only did he get an hgh reup, he also got a couple of players who boosted the team's ability to convincingly win games compared to pre-trade deadline
 
Just to kinda put things in perspective (even though these numbers are from last season)...

http://gothicginobili.com/?p=7185


In the following table, I'm going to roughly calculate the percentage of their team's offense the eight leading western all-star candidates are responsible for on any given night using APTS (the points-produced-through-assists metric from SportVU), foul assists (adding team FT% multiplied by two for the two free throws multiplied by the number of free throw assists SportVU says the player produces), and their own points. I'll also relay their counting stats and turnover rates, as those are moderately relevant to my next paragraph:

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Adjusting for differences in pace using the "percentage of team production" metric virtually erases the large gap in Conley's stats when compared to most of his prime competition. Yes, he still gets pasted by Curry and Paul, but so does everyone. Conley produces more offense for the Grizzlies than Dragic, Lillard, or Parker produce for theirs, and he's closer to Westbrook than Westbrook is to Curry/Paul. Translation makes the heart grow fonder, at least in Conley's case. The same is true for his stats -- if the Grizzlies played at the pace the Warriors play at, a direct translation of Conley's line would average out to 20-7-3 with 2 steals a night and 2 turnovers besides. His shooting efficiency (via eFG%) is less than Dragic/Lillard/Parker but markedly higher than that of Lawson's, and his main bugaboo offensively is his general inability to sell a call -- he shoots just 3.4 free throws a game despite shooting an excellent 85% from the line, far fewer trips than anyone else on this list. That's just about the biggest nit to pick with Conley's production.

Mike Conley's turnover rate of 10.8% may look roughly equivalent with the rest of the guards in the table -- it's true, most of them are reasonably good at taking care of the ball. But 10.8% isn't just a garden variety "good ball control" number. It's actually a historically strong campaign. Consider it as a mental venn diagram. In one circle, you have high usage players, who score the ball a lot and are responsible for putting up a decent number of points every night. In another circle, you have prolific passing players, who pass the ball a lot and are responsible for setting up a large number of teammates on any given night. And in the last circle, you have low turnover players, who are extremely hard to steal the ball from and who rarely make sloppy passes. It's not particularly hard to locate players who have one of those three traits -- 10-20 a season, usually, even if you put in a decent minutes restriction. It's not even particularly hard to find a player that combines two of the traits -- low turnover high usage setup scorers were big a few years back (think Michael Redd, Ray Allen, the best case scenario for Klay Thompson) and there are many low-usage point guards who are borderline savants at ball control (think Chauncey Billups, Kirk Hinrich, the best case scenario for Kendall Marshall).

But a player who combines all three in a single year? High usage, high passing, low turnovers? That's rare. Exceedingly so, in fact, and Mike Conley's season is a quintessential example of such a year. Only 31 seasons around his level can be found when querying the historical data, and it's quite a neat list to be on. Chris Paul, Michael Jordan, Gary Payton, Kobe Bryant, and prime Brandon Roy are all in the party. Turnovers tend to be one of those stats that people ignore a bit when assessing players -- unless a player is REALLY bad at them, it doesn't tend to enter the evaluation discussion unless nits are being picked, and a player with extremely low rates doesn't tend to get much credit for it. If you compound his fantastic turnover rate with counting stats that are easy to overlook given his team's pace/schedule and his best-in-class point guard defense, you have a surprisingly strong all-star candidacy.
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So, I'm sure a lot of this still applies this season when comparing Conley to some of the PG's on the list. Of course, certain guys like Russ and Curry are playing on another level now. But, its kind of unfair from Conley's standpoint to purely look at his numbers and not factor in his situation as a point guard. Pretty interesting how his numbers would look in a faster pace offense. But, I'm happy with who Conley is. He doesn't have to be a 20+ppg scorer for the Grizz to win ball games and at the end of the day, that type of production from your PG rarely leads to championship success.

When it comes to defending, managing the game, hitting big shots, taking care of the ball, etc. he's the point guard I want outside of 3 or 4 other PG's in the league right now.

I read this article last year and thought it would become relevant again sooner or later.
 
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I wish NBATV would have more substance in their programming during the day. Always just replays.

It seems like everytime I check, this 'Marquee matchup' stuff is on.
 
He said Portland because there‘s an attachment; his HS years, but most people like to associate home with their college teams.
 
PacificNorseWst said:
I wish NBATV would have more substance in their programming during the day. Always just replays.

It seems like everytime I check, this 'Marquee matchup' stuff is on.
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Saving $. Costs a lot less to just replay stuff that's on tape than pay for live studio hosts or original programming. Given that I doubt a ton of people are watching NBA TV during the day, I doubt its going to change.
 
who da hell cares where u are from anyways, yall peeps dont travel or move? wassup with needing to apply the LBJ blueprint for everyone else? Love doesnt have to go home, but he‘d be interesting to join Kobe and LA. Its obvious hes not happy in Cleveland, being a victim of LBJs bullying and micromanaging.

Love can be the new Pauline Gasolina.
 
show time 96 said:
Shaqtin A Fool last night
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Goddamnit It's not the same without the normal line up. 
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lawdog1 said:
Saving $. Costs a lot less to just replay stuff that's on tape than pay for live studio hosts or original programming. Given that I doubt a ton of people are watching NBA TV during the day, I doubt its going to change.
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Makes sense, but they should want a better product. More quality. I understand the limited viewers and I'm not sure if NBATV is included in a lot of basic cable packages.

As a sports fiend, I always want quality stuff for days like today and I'm off work wanting to get fresh, non shock jock (ESPN *ahem*), takes.

MLBN is the standard in my opinion. Lots of good stuff on their network daily. Variety.
 
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MIP gotta be draymond.


jimmy had that stretch where he was cheeks again. was just like PG a season ago. looked like he was making that turn, then regressed back to his normal numbers.
 
Freeze said:
MIP gotta be draymond.


jimmy had that stretch where he was cheeks again. was just like PG a season ago. looked like he was making that turn, then regressed back to his normal numbers.
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i agree but i don't think they will give Dray both the DPOY and MIP in the same year.
 
Brandon3000 said:
 
Antidope said:
Still dont understand why the Pacers didnt tank. This whole chase for a playoff spot is a pointless endeavour
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word. like look at the Bucks the past few years.... side from jabari what do they have to show at this point?
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They should have at least done it this year. Paul George was out, no need to rush him back or anything. They have a first rounder too.
 
friscostylez said:
Freeze said:
MIP gotta be draymond.


jimmy had that stretch where he was cheeks again. was just like PG a season ago. looked like he was making that turn, then regressed back to his normal numbers.
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i agree but i don't think they will give Dray both the DPOY and MIP in the same year.
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true dat if i had the option I'd take DPOY allll day. MIP just means you used to suck and now you suck less than all the other ****** that suck less. pause.
 
show time 96 said:
Shaqtin A Fool last night :lol:
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the nba2k ol kept trying to steal but had the ball & tossed a full courtt shot :lol:

Freeze said:
MIP gotta be draymond.


jimmy had that stretch where he was cheeks again. was just like PG a season ago. looked like he was making that turn, then regressed back to his normal numbers.
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nah bruh... jimmys mip
change ya avy too

SenorRoboto2k5 said:
Kurt Helin ‏@basketballtalk
Dwyane Wade on MVP race: “I would say James Harden” http://dlvr.it/96cJCC
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Time flies...

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girly *** writing
 
PacificNorseWst said:
lawdog1 said:
Saving $. Costs a lot less to just replay stuff that's on tape than pay for live studio hosts or original programming. Given that I doubt a ton of people are watching NBA TV during the day, I doubt its going to change.
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Makes sense, but they should want a better product. More quality. I understand the limited viewers and I'm not sure if NBATV is included in a lot of basic cable packages.

As a sports fiend, I always want quality stuff for days like today and I'm off work wanting to get fresh, non shock jock (ESPN *ahem*), takes.

MLBN is the standard in my opinion. Lots of good stuff on their network daily. Variety.
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Even though NBATV is a subscription based channel, Turner Broadcasting which is under the umbrella of Time Warner, just laid off a ton of people in December on the heels of the historic new NBA contract. Many people don't realize how hard the now smaller staff works on shows for NBA regular season, TNT, and NCAA March Madness right now. Same control rooms, same producers, same editors, crew on the road, same people working insane hours for the past few weeks covering the tournament, of course staying late to cover west coast games down here in Atlanta so that guys on the west coast can enjoy the show until 2am or so here. Even talent stays til almost 3AM this time of year. It's a relief to sit back sometimes and run a game from the 90's or a documentary while guys (and girls) can go home and see their families. we're in the last stretch of the season tho, then the draft, summer league...

I think there will be more no original programming in time though that's for sure
 
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