Official 2015 NFL Draft Thread

[Chester McFloppy]

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/04/23/nfl-d...-andrew-luck-robert-griffin-blaine-gabbert/3/

I asked a high-ranking evaluator from an NFL team that has been in the QB market to do just that. He checked back on the final grades for each of the 12 first-rounders, added Winston and Mariota, then seeded them on the condition of anonymity.

From Luck to Ponder, Team X’s Top 14:

1. Andrew Luck

2. Jameis Winston

3. Robert Griffin III

4. Cam Newton

5. Blaine Gabbert

6. Marcus Mariota

7. Ryan Tannehill

8. Blake Bortles

9. Jake Locker

10. Teddy Bridgewater

11. EJ Manuel

12. Johnny Manziel

13. Brandon Weeden

14. Christian Ponder

Gabbert ahead of Teddy and Tanne? Wut.

No wonder this guy wants to stay anonymous.

 

[jpzx]

I've seen him as a mid-teens/twenties guy. 14 is a fine look. After today some random team could fall in love with him and draft him top ten. It happens every year.

Kid is good but I don't think he's the best CB or a top ten talent.

I've been jumping into draft stuff lately, are you still higher on Peters than Waynes? I'm assuming so, as no games have been played since the quote above.

 

[stillin729]

Peters is the best CB in the draft, been saying it all year

 

[jjs07]

Gabbert ahead of Teddy and Tanne? Wut.

No wonder this guy wants to stay anonymous.

Same **** I was thinking

RG3 still in the league ?

I was actually wondering the same thing about Clowney.

 

[jpzx]

I don't like hearing the word 'microfracture' when it relates to a player, but nobody should be jumping off Jadeveon Clowney yet, unless it's the case of a person who panned him from the outset.

Nah the reason I asked about Trae Waynes was because I'm also not entirely sure about him.

Like what the **** is this:

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[jpzx]

Well, no. You need No. 1 overall picks to work out. Misusing that when you literally have an entire draft pool to yourself to evaluate for five months and take the one player the time you put in has told you to grab, and that person doesn't become one of your 5-10 best players for the long-term... then that is another form of mortgaging your future.

 

[The Glove]

peters is the best db in the draft. he can do it all..special talent

 

[Chester McFloppy]

I've seen him as a mid-teens/twenties guy. 14 is a fine look. After today some random team could fall in love with him and draft him top ten. It happens every year.

Kid is good but I don't think he's the best CB or a top ten talent.

I've been jumping into draft stuff lately, are you still higher on Peters than Waynes? I'm assuming so, as no games have been played since the quote above.

Most def. Peters keeps his head right and his ceiling is Talib. Could be a top 5 CB.

Waynes is still shaky for me. I see a lot of Janoris Jenkins in his play.

 

[stillin729]

peters is the best db in the draft. he can do it all..special talent

just have to pray he has grown up if you take a flyer on him

 

[jjs07]

I was actually wondering the same thing about Clowney.

We have watt even if Clowney doesn't pan out.

Plus we didn't mortgage the future for him.

Next.

Well, I guess you're right...as long as you can keep hanging AFC South Championship banners from your rafters, you're good.

 

[The Glove]

just have to pray he has grown up if you take a flyer on him

i live in the seattle area so i hear a lot of coverage on peters' dismissal from uw...

from what i've gathered is that he just had a lot on his plate and directed his frustrations out on the wrong people. teammates rave about him and he was texting DBs about how to play receivers after he was dismissed..dude loves to win. the feeling over here is that his red flags are a bit overblown.

waynes though...he's good but he's a bit too stiff and that's NOT what you want in a db.

 

[jjs07]

Well, I guess you're right...as long as you can keep hanging AFC South Championship banners from your rafters, you're good.

I forgot about the ******** run of success.

Woe is me.

We need more divisional banners to hang. I'm envious. It must feel good to be a Texans fan and look to the rafters and see the success permeating throughout the stadium.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

I don't like hearing the word 'microfracture' when it relates to a player, but nobody should be jumping off Jadeveon Clowney yet, unless it's the case of a person who panned him from the outset.

Nah the reason I asked about Trae Waynes was because I'm also not entirely sure about him.

Like what the **** is this:

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MSU runs lots of C4 (almost exclusively) so you'd have to know what is responsibility was on that play. Maybe he was lazy? Maybe he was expecting help? Got caught up in the backfield? Baylor also uses crazy wide WR splits to be able to get routes like that off consistently

 

[dacomeup]

Saw one of the drawbacks on Waynes being that he struggles with change of direction. Isn't that fatal for WR in today's NFL?

 

[dacomeup]

Also, legitimately have no idea either way what the Bengals should do. Part of me wants them to grab Malcolm Brown or Eddie Goldman, part of me hope Erick Flowers or La'el Collins is available, and the other part just wants them to go BPA. Is Kendricks at the Bengals spot a reach? Burfict and microfracture scares me.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Saw one of the drawbacks on Waynes being that he struggles with change of direction. Isn't that fatal for WR in today's NFL?

If that is the case then you play him in a press scheme to help mitigate some of those deficiencies. PJ Williams is like that as well, has run into trouble at times in mirroring sharp breaking routes

 

[dacomeup]

Gotcha, that makes sense. See that he's a little handsy, so he may struggle at first. I can see Zimmer falling in love with him. Physical corner and solid tackler, plus he can run. Sounds like a perfect fit in that defense. 

 

[stillin729]

Trae's speed is what will make or break him in the NFL, he isn't a good tackler so he is going to have to be able to press receivers at the line and stay with them

that bowl game was scary to watch

 

[dacomeup]

More on Waynes. Being around so many MSU guys has peaked my interest in him.

Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State

While most left the combine in awe of Waynes' speed, the discussion among PFF analysts centered on the fact that his 20-yard shuttle (4.39 seconds) was slower than his 40 time (4.31), a rare feat we couldn't recall seeing. That poor change-of-direction ability was evident on tape, and is a problem at a position where change of direction is vital.

Moreover, for someone who possessed the recovery speed to not have to worry about getting beat deep, Waynes was fairly average breaking on intermediate routes and had only three pass breakups on 59 targets. His mark for yards per coverage snap allowed was just about average, at 1.04, but he was exposed against the most talented passing team the Spartans faced all year (Oregon). In that game in Week 2, he yielded 113 yards on seven targets, including a touchdown.

ESPN has them as the most overrated prospect in a new Insider piece. Like the work that they're doing with PFF.

 

[thejet]

Like what the **** is this:

hope the Jets stay away.

but how you drop that easy TD?

 

[cruzzz]

I have given up hope of the Giants getting Beasley,Williams,or Gregory. So we might I as well shore up the O-line, and go get a Safety in Rd 2.

 

[ny mavurs]

I have giving up hope of the Giants getting Beasley,Williams,or Gregory. So we might I as well shore up the O-line, and go get a Safety in Rd 2.

One of them will fall to you

 

[nick.]

Gregory will be there.

can't see Beasley getting past the Falcons & Leonard isn't gonna get past Washington.

 

[cruzzz]

I agree that Gregory will be there, I just doubt the Giants will over look the off field issues.

 

[Ricky D]

Any good pass rushers expected to be available in round 2? I wanted Falcons to take Fowler but he obviously won't be there so I'd rather trade back and acquire more picks.