Woman chooses death date vol. is this right

ksteezy said:
She's doing these things, she's traveled and still has a few things on her bucket list before she goes to sleep....she knows her fate, she doesn't want to reach that stage where she no longer can enjoy the little life she has left, is pretty common sense, how some of you don't get it, I just don't understand..
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I can respect that. Like I said, my beef moreso lies with her getting labels that to me better fit the individual who has cancer and fights it to the very end.

I won't argue her choice to end her life, but I got my views on the way people are in a sense glorifying her decision.
 
Cedric Ceballos said:
Please explain. Let me say though that I hope the 9-11 hijackers are rotting in hell right now. But it takes some level of courage to do what they did knowing that they were going to die. Selfish and evil as well yes.

Like I said though. My beef is that if we call this lady courageous, then what do we call the people who fight cancer to the very end?
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Not all cancer is terminal...you fight when you believe you have a chance...when your doctors tell you you still have a chance, your doctor tells you you have 3 months to live 2 of which you'll suffer to your last breath, you are no longer in the fight..
 
Fighting cancer till death is brave as well. To each their own. Nothing wrong with either choice. This should be allowed everywhere instead of cancer patients putting shotguns to their chest.
 
So do you guys consider this suicide? Or is it different because the doc said she was going to die anyway?
 
heLiumcLinton said:
So do you guys consider this suicide? Or is it different because the doc said she was going to die anyway?
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If you are directly responsible for and intentionally kill yourself, yea it suicide.

In reality, she dont know exactly when (or how) she gone die, just like me. She just has an 'expert' opinion on it.
 
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PLVN said:
Ahhh the old "suicide is for cowardly people" argument.
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Ahh the old selective reader that quotes posts on niketalk.

Where in any of my posts did I say she was a coward? Please tell me rather then misquote my posts.

Just because I don't think shes a hero or courageous doesn't mean I think shes a coward either.
 
Cedric Ceballos said:
Ahh the old selective reader that quotes posts on niketalk.

Where in any of my posts did I say she was a coward? Please tell me rather then misquote my posts.

Just because I don't think shes a hero or courageous doesn't mean I think shes a coward either.
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Maybe I misinterpreted your posts.

You said "if we call her brave, what do we call people who fight until the end?" as if only one of those options takes courage. You said it's a "total slap in the face" to the people who you define as truly brave. Then you even compared her to the 9/11 hijackers.

My understanding is that you see her actions as the opposite of brave, and we all know what the opposite of bravery is.

So, you'll have to forgive me if I took these things as you calling her a coward, but I've seen the exact argument you're making countless times and the conclusion is always the same.
 
Its not one extreme or the other.

On her suicide, I'm indifferent. It doesn't make her courageous nor does it make her a coward. There can't be a middle ground on this?

And yes I do feel calling her courageous is an insult to a cancer patient who battles it out to the very end.

On the 9-11 part. It can't work both ways. What makes one person choosing to end their life courageous, but another who made the choice to end their life (granted while doing a very evil act) not courageous.
 
Because praising someone turning their death into a spectacle.

You never hear the hero or courageous labels directed towards the tons of people who unfortunately have cancer or a potentially fatal disease so what makes this lady deserving of the courageous label.

Its her life and she can do as she pleases but I got more admiration for the individual who fights cancer to the end as opposed to the individual who chooses to end their life.

Ill throw the question back at you though. What makes her courageous?
 
I can't believe you think she's doing this to be a spectacle.

She's trying to raise awareness on the beneficial nature of assisted suicide because it obviously still has this stigma attached to it. She's taking her life into her own hands and making a decision that allows her to pass with dignity instead of wasting away to nothing and potentially becoming a burden to the people around her. She's doing things on her own terms instead of submitting to her disease and letting it dictate how and when she dies. The choice she's making is one of absolute finality and is a lot more nuanced than simply giving up or refusing to fight. If you don't think that takes any amount of courage then I don't know what to tell you.

And cancer patients aren't ever labeled as heroes or courageous? That's just untrue.
 
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Cedric Ceballos said:
Because praising someone turning their death into a spectacle.

You never hear the hero or courageous labels directed towards the tons of people who unfortunately have cancer or a potentially fatal disease so what makes this lady deserving of the courageous label.

Its her life and she can do as she pleases but I got more admiration for the individual who fights cancer to the end as opposed to the individual who chooses to end their life.

Ill throw the question back at you though. What makes her courageous?
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W T F are you talking about? You never hear the hero stories from cancer patients/survivors? What rock are you living under? 

Fighting terminal brain cancer is a lost cause and can cost upwards of $1M/month. NO ONE survives the cancer she has. At best, you can get MAYBE, MAYBE a year after being diagnosed. Under normal circumstances, a few months (and this is with all the bells and whistles treatments). She's taking a humane, totally acceptable, and in my opinion, admirable way out, while raising awareness for others in her situation. 
 
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Yeah I can disagree there, like I said all cancer patients and survivors are called heroes and survivors to an almost cliche point since I assume ppl feel too uncomfortable and awkward to say anything else.
 
Yeah she has got the right sense, but she is not courageous because she is selfish. I didn't read the article but I assume she doesn't have any kids and isn't married. You don't fight diseases just for yourself. You fight diseases for the chance to stay with the people that love you/are a part of you. This is a selfish choice in my opinion. The right choice though. I hate our weak society and the concept of fighting it out.

There are so many people in crazy amounts of pain and can't live a normal life by any means. That is not life. That is just existence. I think our whole society would be more courageous if we could accept the concept of a willing death. I'd rather die at 78 with an injection peacefully with my family by my side (if I was starting to deteroriate and become bedridden), rather than siphon hundreds of thousands of dollars from my family for medical expenses just to survive in a painful way till I was 80. However, thus is our culture and my one opinion matters not.
 
ModernDarwin said:
Yeah she has got the right sense, but she is not courageous because she is selfish. I didn't read the article but I assume she doesn't have any kids and isn't married. You don't fight diseases just for yourself. You fight diseases for the chance to stay with the people that love you/are a part of you. This is a selfish choice in my opinion. The right choice though. I hate our weak society and the concept of fighting it out.
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You should probably read it then. First few sentences would let you know she just got married. Plus she's going to die in 6 months because of the cancer while getting worse and worse every week. There's nothing too fight in this case. Her only hope would be some new cure or operation.

I'm not sure how selfish her choice is though. Do you think her loved ones would want to see her turn in to something more helpless than a child while in excruciating pain until death?
 
What's more selfish?

"I'm choosing to end my life on my own terms in a peaceful place with the people I love the most surrounding me."

or

"You should prolong your pain and misery because when you die we'll all be really sad."
 
PLVN said:
What's more selfish?

"I'm choosing to end my life on my own terms in a peaceful place with the people I love the most surrounding me."

or

"You should prolong your pain and misery because when you die we'll all be really sad."
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+1

I'll just go out and state the obvious: there's a pretty big demographic of people that think they have the right to tell other people what they can and can't do with their bodies...and the vast, vast, VAST majority of these people are religious.

Further proof that religion does more harm than good.
 
Comparison Ford said:
+1

I'll just go out and state the obvious: there's a pretty big demographic of people that think they have the right to tell other people what they can and can't do with their bodies...and the vast, vast, VAST majority of these people are religious.

Further proof that religion does more harm than good.
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:lol: tryna spin this into a religion thread.
 
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Comparison Ford said:
+1

I'll just go out and state the obvious: there's a pretty big demographic of people that think they have the right to tell other people what they can and can't do with their bodies...and the vast, vast, VAST majority of these people are religious.

Further proof that religion does more harm than good.
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tryna spin this into a religion thread.
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Not as much my intention to derail as much as it is an acknowledgement of reality.
 
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