Bobby Shmurda Shucking and Jiving for his Epic Record Deal

VICTOR PAGE said:
 
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this **** is funny but it really pisses me off.

Specifically, the **** related to Chicago because Drill Music focuses on REAL **** that's actually happened. There's an additional element to the the typical "I'll shoot, rob, kill you, etc.". Gangs taunt other gangs by referencing actual murders and making fun of rival members. 

So when Chief Keef says "**** Tooka" and some ******* nerd from Iowa sees that and repeats it....not knowing or caring that they're referring to an actual person that was MURDERED....that **** grinds my gears.

Again...what do people have to say about a corporation that would push someone like Chief Keef to the masses? That takes a real DIABOLICAL ************ to see dollar signs behind that.
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Do you think a lot people who listen to Keef actually care what he's putting in his songs?
 
mad because white kids are reciting another kids story on a music platform :rolleyes
Why are you mad white kids love our culture :lol: thats crazy

& a corporation forced chief keef to the masses?
He already had a buzz way before the deal, because they profited off of his buzz they "forced" him to the public?

Love sosa was a hit, interscope wouldve took a L if they didnt drop an album, keef was a terrible investment because he wasnt marketable, now i see why epic got bobby looking silly to get a sense of his personality
 
I don't deny music influences these kids but if you're gonna be mad at the music, you gotta speak up about why America loves violence and misogyny and greed etc too.

The music we're talking about now is an exaggerated reflection of reality, much like the other entertainment that we take in. The subconscious mind is a very powerful thing.

We say we aren't influenced, but we parrot "these **** ain't loyal, MOB, loud, racks" every day. Music can alter your entire mood. I think it's irresponsible to say music doesn't influence people, but its just as irresponsible to solely place blame ON entertainment and corporate America when personal responsibility and culpability should be right on the same level.
 
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also I find it crazy that 30 years ago there was a push to allow the "gangsta rap" genre to flourish, and here we are 30 years later wondering what went wrong.
 
illphillip said:
This is laughable. Though as someone who harps on the next man's "influence", I can see why you especially would believe in the lack of free will.

Even in the situation we're discussing, "Bobby Schmurda", there was no corporation forcing anything.

A corporation reacted to what was already exploding among consumers. Same thing that happened with 50.

And these same corporations also back Kendrick Lamar and Outkast. So your response is particularly misguided in this case.

Again, and I said this before, corporate America is by no means innocent in all of this.

But the lack of accountability on the part of artist and consumer are disturbing. As is the contention that we lack "free will" because of what we are "given by the media".

And for the record, advertising is about positioning in a competitive market. You still have the free will to pick and choose what you purchase/support.
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First off the initial statement wasn't based on Bobby shmurda and more towards overall marketing. However let's take the corporation and use just the "organic" growth of the record. when that clip started making waves it was purely focused on the dance & the dance only. After seeing & hearing the song/vid plastered all over their time line (similar to how corporation plaster their products all into your life). People decided to watch the song, saw a video that was very reminiscent to current Chicago Drill rap (which has been HEAVILY marketed to the black youth) and it started to catch fire and more people started to like the song after more & more exposure to the song/vid

also We are a nation that eats food that is disgustingly bad for you, We smoke Cigs which at this point literally say they will kill you on the box, we give millions upon millions to celebrities to simply say or promote a brand in hopes of gaining popularity.

all these advertisements are plastered on you from a child but you are going to sit here and tell me none of that sways your sensibility on what is being purchased & supported. Your gonna ignore the billions spent on advertising a year, the studies constantly done on how to sway & influence certain demographics & their patterns & simply tell me that it's solely free will that draws people into a product?

And in the record business of all things you are going to sit here & act as if the newest trends in music our organic and not damn near forced upon the general public?
 
OK, so now we're taking the corporation out of the equation?

I thought we were being fed all of this by "the media"?

And the initial statement that you responded to was a generic statement about A+R in a Bobby Schmurda thread. As was your response.

If you were going on some broader pseudo-intellectual tangent, I guess I misunderstood.

I already explained advertising to you. I've been surrounded by it.

And as an intelligent human being have been fully capable of deciding if I want to smoke cigs and what I want to eat.

Cigarette smoking is down considerably. Is that due to a decline in advertising or because of conscious health decisions?

Plenty of people make healthy food choices amidst what's being spent on advertising **** food.

If your contention is that less educated and perhaps less affluent people are more likely to be influenced by advertising, then you may have a point.

Then I'm not really a part of the "we" you're speaking of I guess. That's all you. My single mother fed me broccoli as a kid :lol:

I still find you suggesting that we as humans have less free will than we believe utterly ridiculous. Speak for yourself. Or did you do that already?
 
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So while i do agree some personal accountability should be held it is much bigger task that should be labeled at these corporations.

With or w/O epic Bobby Shmurda was gonna be talkin guns and doing the same ****. However they are the ones paying for videos to be made, they are the ones who are gonna be putting him on award shows, they are the one who has a department working the radio etc etc. they take something that had an organic buzz monetize it & market it.

Because other cats seen Keef, Shmurda make it by having minimal lyrical skill, but having hood content and a whole lot of charisma, it causes more & more people to look for their ticket out by doing this. but if epic was showing interest in artist with a more positive outlook and really put focus on creating a brand of music that was less violent & more positive..... what do you think the kids would start to gravitate towards.

ebro who is the PD for Hot 97 in NYC went in depth about the difference between a major artist & minor artist getting radio play. One of the things he stated that had me very interested is how industry heads choose a certain tempo that many of the songs have to abide by. These decisions are based off what corporations and the billion dollar companies decide based off their studies of what radio listeners like/don't like.

what he failed to mention is all the other variables that influence a person towards liking a certain sound. EVERYONE has came at a point where you initially haven't liked a song and due to constant play/ interaction with the song/artist your opinion begins to vary. That isn't an accident, and consumers focus is constantly being shifted.
 
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OK, so now we're taking the corporation out of the equation?

I thought we were being fed all of this by "the media"?

And the initial statement that you responded to was a generic statement about A+R in a Bobby Schmurda thread. As was your response.

If you were going on some broader pseudo-intellectual tangent, I guess I misunderstood.

I already explained advertising to you. I've been surrounded by it.

And as an intelligent human being have been fully capable of deciding if I want to smoke cigs and what I want to eat.

Cigarette smoking is down considerably. Is that due to a decline in advertising or because of conscious health decisions?

Plenty of people make healthy food choices amidst what's being spent on advertising **** food.

If your contention is that less educated and perhaps less affluent people are more likely to be influenced by advertising, then you may have a point.

Then I'm not really a part of the "we" you're speaking of I guess. That's all you. My single mother fed me broccoli as a kid :lol:

I still find you suggesting that we as humans have less free will than we believe utterly ridiculous. Speak for yourself. Or did you do that already?
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for you to be the intellectual that you are you have some bad comprehension skills breh.


No you are speaking for yourself i am speaking as a generalization of the problem. what you are doing is deflecting the overall problem, congrats your mother fed you Broccoli :smokin.... the issue is that isn't the norm for children being raised in the United States, You may have been in a situation that allowed you to see that a chief Keef/ Shmurda wasn't the only option, as was I. That doesn't change the impact it has on a whole because your not impacted by it, in actuality that shows a complete disinterest in the subject as a whole. so if you feel the need to escalate yourself above the "We" you be cool how you be cool.

Oh Btw you could say you "Psuedo" explained Advertising, & you have a "psuedo" knowledge in it if you tell me it's just for competitive edge but since your not in the "We" and have never fell victim to advertising i guess you wouldn't know. |I

-with that said America is by far the most obese country in the world, we by far spend the most advertising on food in the world.
- you claim that cig use is down & your correct. what you failed to mention is that, There has been a billion dollar Add campaign towards Anti cigarette use, countries have banned Cigarette adds in prominent publications, Tv shows, and public areas, and how many companies have been forced to adopt a sticker on the package claiming "smoking Kills" amongst other things.
- Music that is being fed to mainstream music (rap) in this case is rarely a fair representation of what people on a grassroots level. Hence Kid Ink Having numerous #1 singles and still flopping on album sales. Those songs aren't really connecing with a core fanbase but they are being pushed ALL over radio and hence selling singles.
 
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You guys want us to stop. But let me ask you where's the proof that a bunch of people just biblically happened to stumble upon Bobby Shmurda on YouTube where's the proof? Did they feed you guys that one too.. ? He just dropped bro.. like dude was signed or something and he's not wack.
 
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Superb said:
Man be quiet. Lol he is a walking dollar sign. Any athlete, musician, rapper, rock and roll star and actor is just a dollar sign to there business. Just how it is. The game is what it is

This video was nothing more then an audition. Actors so this to get roles, even Denzel Washington to this day
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Oh word? Denzel still auditions? Which movies?
 
Drones said:
what did he say about $30?  I didnt understand that part.
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He is simply insinuating that in previous situations were he encountered less than agreeable circumstances, he has dealt firmly with individuals. Even over debacles as petty and chumpish as "30 Dollas". He is also trying to inform people that they are not aware of these facts. .... I hope that helped.
 
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He is simply insinuating that in previous situations were he encountered less than agreeable circumstances, he has dealt firmly with individuals. Even over debacles as petty and chumpish as "30 Dollas". He is also trying to inform people that they are not aware of these facts. .... I hope that helped.
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So he is trying to say he is a thug now and will get you sewed up if you dont pay him?
 
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