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sunshineblotters said:
heLiumcLinton said:
I guess she was suppose to post a 10 hour Youtube video.
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She could've done a lot better. She wanted to show how much of an issue harrasment was and "have a nice evening" made it into the clip :lol:

Im bout to start giving feminist clown mask. When they go on a rant I full expect them to pull out a water shooting flower
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But why do you think you personally, should be able to classify what someone else would feel is harassment?
 
bilboshmangins said:
 
No.

The video in question showed a woman being catcalled by a diverse group of individuals. Many of them anonymous faces in a crowd. Apparently, according to you and those you are siding with, the majority of those men where 'black and latino'.

My question to you is independent of any racial ideology or 'how race operates. So I'll rephrase it as follows:

You say that the men in that video where mostly black and latino. So, does that mean blacks and latinos are more aggressive towards women than their white counterparts?

(I think that is a pretty clear and unassuming question)
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Thanks for the clarification. What I am saying to you...no, what I am reiterating is that the very question of  are "blacks and latinos...more aggressive towards women than their white counterparts" only  makes sense if you make two assumptions.

1). That we can actually identify blacks and latinos as distinct from "white counterparts."

2). That aggression is a function of purported habits and preferences of specific groups.

The first assumption is itself a shinning example of racial ideology (and is not  "independent" of  your "unassuming question). In order for it to hold you not only have to believe that the world's population can be divided into distinct groups defined by "race," but also that the class, religious, sexual differences of group members is colonized by a single thing called "race." 

Aggression is not a trait of African Americans any more than happiness is a trait of human beings. Aggression is the toxic by-product of political economic conditions. The question should instead be: to what extent is patriarchy an ubiquitous expression of aggression that knows no barriers? 
 
heLiumcLinton said:
But why do you think you personally, should be able to classify what someone else would feel is harassment?
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I live in a state where grown men cant be raped, unless the law has changed since 2006 when I first learned about it. I cant be raped but saying good morning should be classified as harassment?
 
1. This video wouldn't have been as viral if it was a bunch of wall street bankers and white dudes mixed in, or if it was a black woman.

2. Women perceive something as harassment quicker if the man is poorer, a minority, or perceived to be in a lower socioeconomic class
 
sunshineblotters said:
heLiumcLinton said:
But why do you think you personally, should be able to classify what someone else would feel is harassment?
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I live in a state where grown men cant be raped, unless the law has changed since 2006 when I first learned about it. I cant be raped but saying good morning should be classified as harassment?
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So you think you should be able to determined what harassment is because you can't be raped?


Fontaine said:
1. This video wouldn't have been as viral if it was a bunch of wall street bankers and white dudes mixed in, or if it was a black woman.

2. Women perceive something as harassment quicker if the man is poorer, a minority, or perceived to be in a lower socioeconomic class
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The video went viral because women relate to the video and this is the feminist era. Video didn't go viral because it involved different ethnicities.
 
ObeahMyal7 said:
 
bilboshmangins said:
 
No.

The video in question showed a woman being catcalled by a diverse group of individuals. Many of them anonymous faces in a crowd. Apparently, according to you and those you are siding with, the majority of those men where 'black and latino'.

My question to you is independent of any racial ideology or 'how race operates. So I'll rephrase it as follows:

You say that the men in that video where mostly black and latino. So, does that mean blacks and latinos are more aggressive towards women than their white counterparts?

(I think that is a pretty clear and unassuming question)
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Thanks for the clarification. What I am saying to you...no, what I am reiterating is that the very question of  are "blacks and latinos...more aggressive towards women than their white counterparts" only  makes sense if you make two assumptions.

1). That we can actually identify blacks and latinos as distinct from "white counterparts."

2). That aggression is a function of purported habits and preferences of specific groups.

The first assumption is itself a shinning example of racial ideology (and is not  "independent" of  your "unassuming question). In order for it to hold you not only have to believe that the world's population can be divided into distinct groups defined by "race," but also that the class, religious, sexual differences of group members is colonized by a single thing called "race." 

Aggression is not a trait of African Americans any more than happiness is a trait of human beings. Aggression is the toxic by-product of political economic conditions. The question should instead be: to what extent is patriarchy an ubiquitous expression of aggression that knows no barriers? 
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No, I asked the question I asked. I could care less about the ubiquity of patriarchy at this point.

People said that she targeted latino and african men, implying that she had an agenda against african american men and latinos. I didn't assume anything...I never brought race up! The people you're defending brought it up. So that strikes your "1)" 'assumptions' about me and my so called assumptions.

My question was intended to illustrate that this shouldn't be a discussion about race.

I'll be transparent about 'my assumptions' and save you from psychobable analytics. I assume that new york men are generally more aggressive in approaching women. Regardless of their ethnic background.

Now 
 
snax91 said:
Hey Blotters, you live in Illinois right?
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Yup. Chicago!

Yes
heLiumcLinton said:
So you think you should be able to determined what harassment is because you can't be raped?
The video went viral because women relate to the video and this is the feminist era. Video didn't go viral because it involved different ethnicities.
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These people who seem to love equality so much dont seem to care for it when it is disadvantageous to the male. If I cant be raped, how can saying good morning be considered harrassment?
 
If roofying my drink and tying something around my junk and taking advantage of me while I am passed out aint rape. "Hello, how are you" is by no means harrassment
 
then make a thread about your right to be raped in illinois. why not make a video about it, 2 minutes should get the point across.
 
heLiumcLinton said:
Drones said:
@helium

Just wondering, What's your background racially?
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I'm black

sunshineblotters said:
heLiumcLinton said:
And that's because black men don't support their black women but continue to blame white people for everything if it makes you feel any better
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You need support from white people for a video to get this viral support
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Word because white people are the reason Bobby Shmurda was hot this summer
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Pretty much.
bilboshmangins said:
if it wasn't such a big deal, why is it a big deal then?
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Cuz this is no longer about whether that chick in this 2 min vid was harassed. It's now about her and the guy that filmed it editing down a 10 hr vid to 2 min and deciding to upload the version where apparently mostly black and latino men are guilty of the cat calling and the ppl denying this has anything to do with race.

Same ppl on both sides for the most part.
 
sunshineblotters said:
Why make this about me. I am saying if that aint rape, this aint harrassment. So yes if that makes you feel better
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People are so caught up on what they "think" is/isn't that they can't comprehend that it's possible someone else doesn't think that way. You don't think a stranger coming up to you and saying hello is harassment, good for you. Maybe you're at ease with that approach, maybe it puts other people on edge and defensive. It's hilarious when people think their feelings are the end all be all. "Nope I said it ain't harassment so it's not, that's that"

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heLiumcLinton said:
sunshineblotters said:
If roofying my drink and tying something around my junk and taking advantage of me while I am passed out aint rape. "Hello, how are you" is by no means harrassment
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Again, you think you should able to tell someone what they feel is harassment?
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Nah but we all should be able to tell someone when they're overreacting.

It may be a problem with the individual if a man saying hello, hey, how are you, is considered to be harassment or threatening. It's possible they're just that fearful and/or were a victim in a past and is extra paranoid.
 
heLiumcLinton said:
People are so caught up on what they "think" is/isn't that they can't comprehend that it's possible someone else doesn't think that way. You don't think a stranger coming up to you and saying hello is harassment, good for you. Maybe you're at ease with that approach, maybe it puts other people on edge and defensive. It's hilarious when people think their feelings are the end all be all. "Nope I said it ain't harassment so it's not, that's that"

:lol:
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Okay then. Put no parameters on harassment. Guys should be arrested for simply breathing oxygen around the vicinity of these militant feminazis. Because hey, if she says breathing in within eyesight of her is harassment, then it's harrasment
 
heLiumcLinton said:
 
sunshineblotters said:
Why make this about me. I am saying if that aint rape, this aint harrassment. So yes if that makes you feel better
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People are so caught up on what they "think" is/isn't that they can't comprehend that it's possible someone else doesn't think that way. You don't think a stranger coming up to you and saying hello is harassment, good for you. Maybe you're at ease with that approach, maybe it puts other people on edge and defensive. It's hilarious when people think their feelings are the end all be all. "Nope I said it ain't harassment so it's not, that's that"

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How did this thread increase 100 posts in like an hour :lol:

Everyone can have a different definition of harassment, what one considers normal, another might feel harassed by. That's fair.

Where do we draw the line and say, ok maybe your reaching with this one though miss.

I'm trying to look at from a females perspective. I think we can all agree, it was a few isolated cases in the video where you can say it was harassing like behavior, mainly the guy walking next to her for 5 mins, a few other ones I feel calling them harassment is too much, but I can see where someone can make a case for it.

Almost everything else was reaching though and sort of expanding the boundaries of the word harassment and going outside of what the actual definition of it is which I feel is counterproductive to what that group is trying to accomplish here and shaming people who for the most part knew their boundaries in that video isn't a good way to gain public support.

A majority of the actions by men in that video contradict the actual definition of harassment.
 
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Master Zik said:
heLiumcLinton said:
sunshineblotters said:
If roofying my drink and tying something around my junk and taking advantage of me while I am passed out aint rape. "Hello, how are you" is by no means harrassment
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Again, you think you should able to tell someone what they feel is harassment?
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Nah but we all should be able to tell someone when they're overreacting.

It may be a problem with the individual if a man saying hello, hey, how are you, is considered to be harassment or threatening. It's possible they're just that fearful and/or were a victim in a past and is extra paranoid.
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A stranger approaching me randomly in the street is a threat to me and I'm a man who can defend myself. This world isn't safe and I see a bunch of mental people on my commute. Who knows what they want? It's not that hard to understand how it can be threatening to a woman.
 
heLiumcLinton said:
sunshineblotters said:
Why make this about me. I am saying if that aint rape, this aint harrassment. So yes if that makes you feel better
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People are so caught up on what they "think" is/isn't that they can't comprehend that it's possible someone else doesn't think that way. You don't think a stranger coming up to you and saying hello is harassment, good for you. Maybe you're at ease with that approach, maybe it puts other people on edge and defensive. It's hilarious when people think their feelings are the end all be all. "Nope I said it ain't harassment so it's not, that's that"

:lol:
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Do yall even know what harassment means?

If you're seriously willing to say harassment and then sexual harassment can now be subjective then you're liable with anyone damn near everyday.

That means in this case every friendly person in the South that say good morning and hello to completely strangers are guilty of harassment. I mean what's next? Why not find someone that thinks asking for directions is harassment too?

This is going a bit too far and really at this point we should let these females who feel this way speak for themselves and explain the situation for themselves.

If 10 dudes cat call a female and the 11th dudes comes along and says hi that doesn't mean he's guilty of harassment. The acts of past men don't count to the next man. Yes it may be stressful for the female that deals with several dudes doing this a day but each individual situation isn't an example of harassment.
 
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