Official 2014-2015 BOSTON CELTICS Season Thread (9-14) vs. MIN 12/19 RONDO TRADED TO DALLAS

i know right, nice job buddy not even getting a shot off which is the worst possible outcome other than him taking his cringe-worthy jumper.
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at least with the jumper, there'd be one long-shot chance; Lloyd Christmas, " are you telling me there's a chance?"
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Very pleased with "Sully's" career trajectory. Saw him as a poor man's Paul Millsap. His passing has improved and he's not exactly a fearsome rim protector, but Sullinger is solid on the offensive glass and will expand his jumper range at just 22-years-old. Can kinda see the thought process behind selecting Smart before Randle and Vonleh, but still don't love the selection. Not to beat a dead horse, just relevant.
 
^^^ agreed. i think he'd be better off playing along with a true C because if he's our best 'rim protector' or lack thereof on the floor, that's not good at all. But he's been solid. I think his game will shine even more because he'd be more than suitable being #4 whilst having a true center caliber player patrolling the paint with him.
 
NEPats617 said:
^^^ agreed. i think he'd be better off playing along with a true C because if he's our best 'rim protector' or lack thereof on the floor, that's not good at all. But he's been solid. I think his game will shine even more because he'd be more than suitable being #4 whilst having a true center caliber player patrolling the paint with him.
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"Sully" would honestly pair well with a Noel or Embiid. Wouldn't have been mad, for Philly or Boston, if Ainge traded up to #3 overall to nab Embiid instead of sitting at #6 for Smart.
 
didn't know there was a celtics thread. in :pimp:

win or lose, this has been a very exciting team to watch so far. probably never been this excited since 2007-2008 season.

firmly believe Smart will eventually blossom into an All Star point guard. love the kids intensity and passion. so glad we picked him

i love rondo but Ainge needs to trade him. don't make sense to pay him the big money he's asking for, unless we can reel in another all star.

Olynyk + Sully :pimp:
 
Jeff Green has had some pretty vicious blocks against teams attempting to fast break 
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I'm just concerned about what value Ainge would get at this point, for Rondo. Ainge's track record lately is pretty average
 
finnns2003 said:
I'm just concerned about what value Ainge would get at this point, for Rondo. Ainge's track record lately is pretty average
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definitely true. no one is gonna give Ainge fair value for Rondo. but I rather get at least something before he walks. I don't think he resigns with us this offseason.
 
Happy Smart isn't going tonight, of course

Still too early. Make sure dude is 110% before he comes back. It'd be an awkward game for him to come back; Friday at 1pm :lol:

These jerseys are ugly as fu :lol:

Lets go :smokin
 
I LOVE this team. probably one of the more exciting teams we've had in awhile.
 
Was great to come back from 25 down or whatever, but the loss hurt. Led by 7 in both OT sessions. Was weird seeing Rondo on the bench for so long. Vintage Truth got us, and then Wall playing for his young friend who passed away.

My disappointment was with the plays executed in the closing minutes, one was a pull-up contested 3 from Smart and the other was a contested Turner jumper that hit iron. Not sure if Stevens drew those up or not but not high percentage plays.
 
:lol: at the haul Ainge got in return

I've been saying for years this guy Ainge hasn't a clue. Aside from being gifted a top PF of all-time, he has done nothing as GM to show he can build the C's into a competitor again, let alone an elite team. He traded Perk and destroyed the core, Green never had a real impact on this team as a 6th man. Failed to re-sign Tony Allen which was crucial. Brought in aging vets who failed to stay healthy, failed to surround the big 3 with the same talent the Spurs put around theirs, and now is basically trading the core guys away for peanuts.

9 or 10 first round picks in the NBA doesn't mean much, this isn't football. And with Ainge's track record (Bradley, Fab Melo, JaJuan Johnson, James Young) I'm not confident he'll be able to turn this lottery bound team into anything more than a perennial dog.
 
I really believe Ainge loves this upcoming draft class. Trading Rondo would lose us a few games and help with the tank to get a higher pick. Two late 1st round picks could be used to move up potentially. really hope this guy has a plan because we basically got nothing in return. Brandan wright is a good player but he would've been a better pick up if we were actually contending. Nelson is washed up and a late first does nothing
 
You guys did better than you think. Memphis got much better shortly after they dealt Pau, I think you guys will have similar success in a short amount of time.

The first-round pick may well fall in the 20s, and god knows Dallas has whiffed on just about every shot it has taken down there. But it’s still valuable and represents a real get for Boston, considering that expiring contracts have netted very little in midseason trades under the collective bargaining agreement.
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For the Celtics, this is a disappointing deal on the surface — but only on the surface. You can cherry-pick other recent deals for expiring and semi-expiring contracts that netted better return, but the circumstances are never equivalent. The Magic got more for Dwight Howard, but he’s Dwight Howard. Rajon Rondo is not Dwight Howard.

The Rockets got what will likely be a better first-round pick for Omer Asik. The Bulls got cap relief (Andrew Bynum) and multiple picks, including what could be a late lottery pick this June from the Kings, in the Luol Deng deal with the Cavaliers.

Those Cavaliers were desperate to make the playoffs, tossing bundles of picks all over the league for veterans who didn’t move the needle. New Orleans is desperate to make the playoffs now, and the Pelicans nabbed Asik in the summer — in time for training camp and the full season.

Boston was dealing Rondo in the middle of the season, giving any potential suitors much less time to integrate him. It didn’t have a trade partner with the right combination of sweaty “WE HAVE TO WIN NOW!” desperation and good trade assets. The Lakers can try to sign Rondo this summer, which is why they were planning to cap their offer at Steve Nash, the Houston first-round pick they got with Jeremy Lin (likely to be in the mid-20s), and a second-rounder, per sources familiar with the matter.

The Rockets could have dangled a potential lottery pick from New Orleans (the Asik pick), but they appear to not have done so, and they’d have needed a third team to make a deal with Boston. The wackadoo Kings didn’t pony up in the end, and there just aren’t many other teams with a need at point guard and any motivation to deal picks. Maybe the Knicks would have done a dumb Knicks thing had they already not done a dumb Knicks thing in dealing a first-round pick and two second-rounders for Andrea Bargnani. They’re also set to have big-time cap room this summer for Rondo’s free agency, and he would appear a bad fit for the triangle.

The market just wasn’t there. It’s easy to criticize Boston for waiting too long, and it was indeed asking two and even three first-rounders for Rondo over the last year or so, per multiple league sources. But the Celtics weren’t getting more than this in the end.

Rondo’s ACL tear in January 2013 was devastating in every way. Last season, 2013-14, was the year to trade Rondo if Boston was determined to do so. The Celtics were determined, but there was no getting max value as the league watched to see what Rondo looked like after his midseason return.

Trading Rondo in 2012-13, with three seasons to go before the expiration of his contract, would have been cutting bait way too early on a healthy star in his prime. Hell, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett were still on the team then; Boston was just a few months removed from taking Miami to Game 7 of the conference finals.

Trading Rondo now, a few months from the end of his contract, is too late for Boston to get a fat trade return. Rondo’s knee injury obliterated the sweet spot — the two-years-away trade Utah made with Deron Williams.

All things considered, Boston has done fairly well here. The Celtics convinced Dallas to protect the pick in both directions, per Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski, so that the Mavs keep the pick in the 2015 draft if it falls within the top three (ha!) or between no. 15 and no. 30. That last part is key. Boston wants to maximize its chances of getting a decent pick, and it knows Dallas is picking in the 20s this season.

After 2015, the pick is only top-seven protected, so that if Dallas somehow blows free agency or otherwise dives into mediocrity, the Celtics could get a pick in the middle of the first round. That’s a solid return, considering that only one certain first-round pick changed hands over the last two trade deadlines combined.3

The Celtics, in the meantime, get a free look at Wright, Crowder, and Nelson. Wright and Crowder are both set to be free agents this summer, though Crowder will be restricted. All three could net some return at the trade deadline. Wright and Crowder could be keepers at the right price. Wright provides a bit of rim protection, badly needed in Boston, and you can envision him slicing down the lane on pick-and-rolls as Sullinger and Olynyk spot up. (Kindly ignore the question of who might be dribbling the ball.) Crowder is a menace on defense who has improved his 3-point shot, especially from the corners. The Celtics also get a fat trade exception here, a nice carrot for later.

It’s not the bonanza Boston and its fans were expecting two years ago, but that kind of return became unrealistic almost the moment Rondo tore up his knee. It couldn’t risk Rondo for nothing, clearly didn’t want to give him the max, and realized after losing out on Kevin Love that Rondo likely no longer fit its rebuilding timetable.

Now Boston just needs to turn all of those draft picks, and all of that cap space, into a team — and with no other obvious star target on the horizon. Ask Orlando and Utah how hard that is.

It’s the end of an era in Boston. The starting lineup from the 2008 title team still hasn’t lost a playoff series. It never will. Those players are all gone now, and their quirky point guard is off to chase a ring elsewhere. He’s not likely to get it, but you have to admire the Mavs for going all in.
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Makes me feel a little better . Thanks, CP :lol:

I'll be watching tonight

Maybe the team will rally around the Rondo trade . I could see them putting together a nice little run the rest of the month

Rondo is going to be playing in a competitive environment again. He will thrive IMO. Seemingly Every game in the WC is a challenge .

Nelson in the Celtics thread ? :lol:
 
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