43 Students Supposed Dead From Cartel, Mexican Goverment Trade

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/07/world/americas/mexico-missing-students/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Remains could be those of 43 missing Mexican students
By Mariano Castillo, CNN
updated 7:42 AM EST, Sat November 8, 2014

DNA tests needed to ID students' bodies
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Mexico's attorney general provides new details on the missing students
He says police kidnapped them at the mayor's orders
They were handed over to a gang, the attorney general says

(CNN) -- The 43 Mexican students who disappeared in southern Mexico in September were abducted by police on order of a local mayor, and are believed to have been turned over to a gang that killed them and burned their bodies before throwing some remains in a river, the nation's attorney general said Friday.
This is the conclusion that investigators have reached, Attorney General Jesus Murillo Karam said, though he cautioned that it cannot be known with certainty until DNA tests confirm the identities.
This will be a challenge, he said, as the badly burned fragments make it difficult to extract DNA.
"I have to identify, to do everything in my power, to identify, to know if these were the students," Murillo said.
Parents of the college students reacted immediately, some saying the evidence is inconclusive and insisting that their children are alive.
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"We are not going to believe anything until the experts tell us: You know what? It is them," Mario Cesar Gonzalez, the father of one of the students, told CNN en Español.
Another parent, Isrrael Galindo, said the government is getting ahead of itself in an attempt to get protests over the disappearance of the students to stop and the public to stop demanding answers.
"The government is trying to resolve things its way so that to rid itself of this great problem it is facing," Galindo, who lives in California but whose wife and children are in Mexico, told CNN en Español.
"My son is alive. My son is alive. My son is alive," he repeated.
The parents have been highly critical of President Enrique Peña Nieto for his administration's handling of the investigation.
A cell phone video from a closed-door meeting with the President, released on YouTube, shows family members accusing Peña Nieto of being out of touch with who the students are. One family member on the recording suggests the President should resign if he can't deliver answers.
Describing the federal investigation as one of the most complex in recent times, Murillo outlined what he said befell the students from a rural teacher's college in Ayotzinapa, Guerrero state.
Police linked to disappearance
The victims were men mostly in their 20s studying to become teachers at a college in rural Ayotzinapa. On September 26, they traveled on buses and vans to nearby Iguala for a protest about lack of funding for their school. They haven't been seen or heard from since.
Three men arrested in connection with the disappearance of the students admitted to having killed a large number of people believed to be the students, Murillo said.
Murillo said police officers handed the victims to the three men, who he said belong to the Guerreros Unidos gang.
Authorities have arrested Iguala Mayor Jose Luis Abarca, called the "probable mastermind" in the mass abduction, and his wife, Maria de los Angeles Pineda. They were captured while hiding out in Mexico City earlier this week.
The school the missing students belong to has a history that dates back more than 80 years and is known as a bastion of the Mexican left. Its students are known for their activism.
Officials have said that when the mayor and his wife learned the students' protest would disrupt one of his events, the mayor ordered then-Iguala police Chief Felipe Flores Velasquez to stop the demonstration. The former police chief remains a fugitive.
Slain Mexican student's friends, family demand justice
Shortly after Murillo announced the latest in the investigation, President Peña Nieto said the findings "outrage and offend all of Mexican society."
"With firm determination, the government will continue the efforts for a full accounting of the incident," Peña Nieto said. "The capture of those who ordered it isn't enough; we will arrest everyone who participated in these abominable crimes."
So far, 74 people have been arrested in connection with the disappearance of the students, the government said.
Mexican governor steps aside after student kidnappings
Officials: Men burned at dump
Murillo on Friday repeated the claim that the order to abduct the students came from the mayor. The police confronted the students twice on their journey, killing three in one confrontation, and forcibly taking all of them to a police station the second time, the attorney general said.
The students were then moved to a location where they were handed over to members of the Guerreros Unidos gang, he said.
The gang members transported the students in various trucks to a garbage dump, Murillo said.
Some were dead already, and those who were alive were questioned by gang members about their alleged involvement with other gangs, Murillo said.
There is no evidence to show that the students were involved with gangs, he said.
The attorney general identified the three gang members who confessed as Patricio Reyes Landa, Jhonatan Osorio Gomez and Agustin Garcia Reyes.
The suspects told police they don't remember exactly how many people they killed, but they were told by their leaders that there were more than 40, Murillo said.
The abducted men were then burned at the dump in a fire that was kept alive for at least 14 hours by adding diesel fuel, tires and debris, the attorney general said.
The next day, the gang members were ordered to further break up the remains and place them in black garbage bags that were tossed into the San Juan River, Murillo said.
Scuba divers searched the river and found pieces of the bags and remains. One bag was found intact, with human remains inside, the attorney general said.
"I know the huge pain this information gives the families, a pain that we all share in solidarity," Murillo said.
The Iguala incident has sparked protests all across Mexico, some of them violent. There have been multiple acts of vandalism in Guerrero state. Protesters have blocked roads and tollbooths in cities like Chilpancingo, the capital. They have also blocked access to shopping malls in the beach resort of Acapulco.
The protests spread to the capital, where tens of thousands marched this week demanding that the missing students be found alive.
The governor of Guerrero state -- criticized for not acting quickly enough after the abductions -- has taken a leave of absence.


CLIFFS

*Police abduct 43 students
*students turned over to Cartel under police and mayor orders
*possible remains of students burned and dumped in river found

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Not even surprised about this kinda news coming out of Mexico
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Wait, why'd they take the kids?

Cartel thought they were affiliated with other gangs.

They were traveling for protest for school funding.

Says the Mayor killed 3 other students himself during previous rallies.

Something is missing tho.

Like what does student protest for school funding have to do with corrupt officials and cartels?

Don't add up to me.
 
Wait, why'd they take the kids?
Ransom

They get a certain amount of time to come up with like 50k usually and if u can't get it they just kill you.

Its crazy how this is going on so close and our military doesn't intervene
 
Ransom

They get a certain amount of time to come up with like 50k usually and if u can't get it they just kill you.

Its crazy how this is going on so close and our military doesn't intervene

Curious on where the hell you came up with that conclusion lol.

And the US won't intervene because contrary to popular belief the US Goverment is a business first, world humanitarians a very distant second.

Too much money invested in the drug/border patrol business to ever think about helping Mexico.
 
The worse part about the situation is that the Mayor and his wife were part of this, if not leading the abduction. So much corruption over there its crazy. 
 
A few months ago, there was a marine who went on vacation/leave for Mexico..

Dude ain't show up back on base the time he was supposed to so they ordered him and still no show up. Hes ordered for martial court for fleeing which is a prisonable offense.

Turns out hes being held by the cartel .

Court doesn't know whether to charge him for fleeing or >!>!>.
 
Cabo about the only place in Mexico I'd visit. And I'm Mexican 
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Fam from Sinaloa but I aint bout that life ( I don't think I can behead someone for lulz)
 
Ransom

They get a certain amount of time to come up with like 50k usually and if u can't get it they just kill you.

Its crazy how this is going on so close and our military doesn't intervene
Why does the US have to intervene with every country's issues? Shouldn't their own gov/military step up? Or wait, they prob in on it too.
 
Wait, why'd they take the kids?

Mayor's wife was having some kin of dinner to raise funds or some kind of political dinner. Students protested there.

Mayor ordered them to be arrested.
They contacted every major news outlet and no one would go out because they were prohibited to.

Disappear and this, although I thought the bodies haven't been found.

Ransom


They get a certain amount of time to come up with like 50k usually and if u can't get it they just kill you.


Its crazy how this is going on so close and our military doesn't intervene


Why does the US have to intervene with every country's issues? Shouldn't their own gov/military step up? Or wait, they prob in on it too.

I'm Mexican American, and I don't think our government should intervene. Mexico is all kinds of screwed up. They have an idiot for a President, kids have nobody to look up to except the big time drug dealers. Can't even look up to their country's soccer players or teams cause they're trash now more than ever.
 
Why does the US have to intervene with every country's issues? Shouldn't their own gov/military step up? Or wait, they prob in on it too.
K

I agree we shouldn't intervene in every county's issues but the ones we do intervene with are for all the wrong reasons.

I'd much rather solve Mexicos issues and help with immigration, jobs, and crime that's hampering the black community then fighting for billionaires oil rights and past presidential ego trips and personal vendettas, but that's just me.
 
******* INSANE. I despise the American Government, but when stuff like this happens it really puts things in perspective. I feel bad for the citizens of Mexico who all don't have the confidence to stand up and demand change.
 
Curious on where the hell you came up with that conclusion lol.

I used to have a job renovating cribs and my boss was kidnapped by a cartel.

He used to buy cars from dealers autions and take them down to mexico to sell them.

He said not long after he got across the border with the vehicles some marines pulled him over. Asked if he was from a certain cartel and then proceeded to arrest him. Instead of cuffs they used those plastic string locks on him. Threw him in a truck with mad people. Hauled them off to some death camp in the middle of nowhere.

He said they had captured some rival cartel member and had the man hanging from the ceiling butt naked and almost beaten to death. Said he was beat so bad you could tell by looking at him that most of his bones were broken.

They told my boss that if the guy they captured said he knew my boss his *** was next.

My boss was shook because even tho he didn't know the guy he might say they know eachother anyway.

They asked him but he didn't say anything...because he was dead.

They told my boss the only way you getting out of here alive is if you can come up with $50,000.

They let him make some calls and then put him inside the camp. He said it was about 200 people in there and only 3 made it out alive.

He said they used to take them outside and outside it was a big huge pile of burning dead bodies bro. And they would be telling the kidnapped people stuff like "tomorrow your next". And they would be standing next to the big hill of burning dead bodies eating tacos and laughing.
 
I remeber someone on NT tried to tell me cartels were only in the movies
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An idiot? 
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And why anytime Mexico is brought up, immigration gets thrown in there? We're the only immigrants! And, we're not the biggest Latino population of immigrants either. 

Everyone acts like Canadians, Europeans, Central Americans, Caribbeans, Africans, Australians, Asians, and countless others don't immigrate here.
 
I recently drove from Morelia Michoacan, to Acapulco Guerrero. The heart of cartel country, nothing but jungle. Let me tell you, stopping at some of the towns, and driving around at night is the most paranoid I've been my whole life. I've driven through East Oakland, Richmond, Stockton, Compton, and nothing compares.
 
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Obviously :lol:

He wouldn't budge either. Talking about drugs aren't brought into the U.S. anymore since we grow enough here.


Whoever you were, reveal yourself :nerd:
 
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