Spin Off (Jay-Z vs Nas Thread): Is Eminem Good Because He's White?

[nawghtyhare]

Your question in the thread title is stupid. He's good because he's Eminem, not because he's white.
A better question would be is he one of the most famous rappers ever because he's white.

From 99-2003:
SSLP - 4× Platinum
MMLP - Diamond
The Eminem Show - Diamond
7 Grammys & an Oscar (Lose Yourself)

Eminem is one of the greatest rappers ever but the white factor definitely helped him.
Imma use the analogy of Tiger Woods & golf. Tiger has skills, no doubt. But to see a black man dominate a white sport is what made black people really embrace him.
White America saw Eminem dominate a black sport and they embraced him.

Awards doesn't mean that much in rap
Plenty of legends have never won anything
Neither do sells

If this makes sense he is PHYSICALLY the best

Dude spins words and crunches syllables like no other 

If you have basic knowledge of writing in terms of couplets multi syllables dyads and other ish like that

No one is seeing

To answer the question is eminem good because he's white: HELL no that dont make any sense hes good cause hes good

Now is he extremely successful partially to him being white?

Thats a conversation to have 

Repped
On point

 

[nawghtyhare]

 

 

 

 

Also how is eminent the best to ever do it when he has NO classic album under his belt



A classic album transcends and maintains through time



Essentially timeless



No matter what era u hear it



It STILL sounds relevant and great to the ears



MMLP which is arguably his best bum sounds like trash to me now



Can't stand to listen to it except for a few songs

because music is subjective? 



MMLP and SSLP are still great albums for me 

So their great albums or classic albums????

yes, to me (and a lot of other people they are)


but theres nothing wrong with you not liking them


there are people who think your great/classic albums are trash


everyone has a different opinion, theres no right or wrong when it comes to art 

So let me get this straight

U rank those albums

In the same breath as

Illmatic

Blueprint

Paid in full

Me against the world

The low end theory

Doggy style

Ready to die

Amerikkkas most wanted

Aquemini

The fix

De la soul is dead



U REALLY THINK EM'S ALBUMS ARE ON THAT LEVEL????

other than ill and BP i would listen to those two em albums over any of those you listed 

so to answer your question, yes 

Serious question
How old are u?
And what's ur ethnicity?

 

[sea manup]

 

other than ill and BP i would listen to those two em albums over any of those you listed 

so to answer your question, yes 

Serious question
How old are u?

And what's ur ethnicity?

22, half white half asian

how old are you and what's your ethnicity? 

im guessing this might have something to do with our difference in opinion in music 

 

[aNYone]

Has eminem won a grammy on every one of his albums

 

[tony plush]

nawghtyhare We're discussing Em's popularity and those accolades and album sales justify his stardom.

 

[nawghtyhare]

 

other than ill and BP i would listen to those two em albums over any of those you listed 


so to answer your question, yes 

Serious question

How old are u?

And what's ur ethnicity?

22, half white half asian

how old are you and what's your ethnicity? 

im guessing this might have something to do with our difference in opinion in music 

Well sorta
Some of those albums I included
Were a staple of the music I heard in my household growing up
Like I'm sure u never really listened to public enemy "it takes a nation of millions to hold is back" growing up
Or slick rick
I'm sure chuck d or slick rick ain't in ur top anything is all I'm saying
Not that it's a bad thing
It's just that sometimes people can't really take EVERYONES opinion on matters when they have such a limited experience
Especially A particular type of music that could mold and shape how some of us live today
I was born in 85 rap and of course oldies and r&b has been in my household since birth
And it just seems like ur knowledge of it is sorta limited because of maybe ur upbringing and age
I'm black and 28 btw

 

[nawghtyhare]

nawghtyhare We're discussing Em's popularity and those accolades and album sales justify his stardom.

But I'm sure everyone agrees popularity and awards and sells doesn't really mean **** when it comes to hip hop
Some of the greatest albums in rap have barely sold platinum or a lil over
Yeah he has the skill
But hasn't applied it like he should
He underachieves and gets away with it because he is white
Or at least he continues to sell because of it

 

[delete]

judging off that Cypher Em & Co just dropped, nobody is touching him. not even Jay & Nas. people might not agree but i'm calling it how i see it (Kanye shrug)

 

[illscan]

Don't care if you don't like his content.

If that's the case, why isn't Canibus top 5? Content does matter.

 

[sea manup]

 

 

 

other than ill and BP i would listen to those two em albums over any of those you listed 


so to answer your question, yes 

Serious question

How old are u?

And what's ur ethnicity?

22, half white half asian

how old are you and what's your ethnicity? 

im guessing this might have something to do with our difference in opinion in music 

Well sorta
Some of those albums I included
Were a staple of the music I heard in my household growing up
Like I'm sure u never really listened to public enemy "it takes a nation of millions to hold is back" growing up
Or slick rick
I'm sure chuck d or slick rick ain't in ur top anything is all I'm saying
Not that it's a bad thing
It's just that sometimes people can't really take EVERYONES opinion on matters when they have such a limited experience
Especially A particular type of music that could mold and shape how some of us live today
I was born in 85 rap and of course oldies and r&b has been in my household since birth
And it just seems like ur knowledge of it is sorta limited because of maybe ur upbringing and age
I'm black and 28 btw

i did grow up on em, back when i was a kid (before i was old enough to go out and explore music that i liked) its what i listened to

im a fan of slick rick, respect what chuck does but i wouldnt go out of my way to listen to PE

im more of a wutang, rakim, kweli (blackstar is a top 3 alltime rap album imo) guy, as opposed to the guys you listed (paid in full is dope as hell though)

90% of what i listen to is 90s/80s rap, i didnt grow up on it like you did but its pretty much all i listen to

like im a huge fan of pretty much all those albums you listened to, but i just enjoy the em albums more

probably because i did grow up on it

not sure what your feelings are on good kid mad city but i consider that one of the best albums in the past decade

maybe you feel the same way but if you do you still wouldnt put it ahead of the classic albums you grew up on, because thats what you grew up on

 

[Hunnynutcheerios]

I've been an Em fan since i was a kid, i don't think that hes so famous because hes white does it cause more "controversy" and does it maybe help his sales probably. But honestly Eminem has a word flow and lines that are so unbelievable. Also with his ability to come up with crazy lines makes him an unbelievable freestyler in rap battles. All in all you cant be serious about music and not consider him to be an amazing artist

 

[nawghtyhare]

 

 

 

other than ill and BP i would listen to those two em albums over any of those you listed 



so to answer your question, yes 

Serious question


How old are u?


And what's ur ethnicity?

22, half white half asian


how old are you and what's your ethnicity? 


im guessing this might have something to do with our difference in opinion in music 

Well sorta

Some of those albums I included

Were a staple of the music I heard in my household growing up

Like I'm sure u never really listened to public enemy "it takes a nation of millions to hold is back" growing up

Or slick rick

I'm sure chuck d or slick rick ain't in ur top anything is all I'm saying

Not that it's a bad thing

It's just that sometimes people can't really take EVERYONES opinion on matters when they have such a limited experience

Especially A particular type of music that could mold and shape how some of us live today

I was born in 85 rap and of course oldies and r

i did grow up on em, back when i was a kid (before i was old enough to go out and explore music that i liked) its what i listened to
im a fan of slick rick, respect what chuck does but i wouldnt go out of my way to listen to PE
im more of a wutang, rakim, kweli (blackstar is a top 3 alltime rap album imo) guy, as opposed to the guys you listed (paid in full is dope as hell though)
90% of what i listen to is 90s/80s rap, i didnt grow up on it like you did but its pretty much all i listen to
like im a huge fan of pretty much all those albums you listened to, but i just enjoy the em albums more
probably because i did grow up on it
not sure what your feelings are on good kid mad city but i consider that one of the best albums in the past decade
maybe you feel the same way but if you do you still wouldnt put it ahead of the classic albums you grew up on, because thats what you grew up on

Repped u cause I respect ur post
And I like gkmc
And I mean it's a good album
But I think people may kinda overvalue it cause of the climate hip hop is in
It's more of what traditional hip hop heads want
Than what's been out the past 10 or so years
So while it's good
I don't think it's a classic
One of the best hip hop albums in the past couple years for sure
But not classic
Pusha t dropped one of the best hip hop albums as well
And people don't even talk about it outside of nt and few select people I know

 

[just nikes]

I'll listen to MMLP, SSLP, and Eminem Show for the rest of my life. Some of the best rapping ability ever is on those cds and they are personal classics. He still sells now because he cemented himself as one of the current greats like Nas and Jay and people are loyal to that. Also he can still rap really well (even though I don't like his music now).

 

[SC kid]

Squaredance

I like em cuz he does him.

He doesnt really follow trends or is "this" one year then hes "that" later.

I mean think of all the white rappers in history.

 

[lobcity]

Eminent is one of the all time greats. Who cares about his color!

8 mile road , Lose yourself , Stimulate off the top of my head are some of my favorites. Nail in the coffin and the Sauce disses. The chronic2001 appearances. The freestyle at the radio station with Dilated peoples lol. The Everlast diss!!! Straight sung the diss then rapped it. So much more. Eminem apprecetiation !!

 

[lobcity]

And on top of that Mackelemore,PAul wall, Action Bronson, Mac Miller etc... Should thank this man Eminem for breaking down that barrier. Eminem was the JAckie Robinson of hip-hop if u wanna bring race into it. And the genius and the best co sign you could have of Dr Dre for having he vision and making it happen.

 

[CJMcfly26]

I can see this thread jumping mad pages once Chris Rock top 5 movie comes out listing top 5 rappers.


and in all honesty Yes Em has cemented himself as top 5 of all time.

Ya'll may not rock with his music now, but seriously nobody could hold a candle to Em in the 2000 era.

 

[SC kid]

Renegade made jay look bad more than ether.

 

[tony plush]

Renegade made jay look bad more than ether.

Jay-Z's second verse >>>> *

 

[john hancock]

Your question in the thread title is stupid. He's good because he's Eminem, not because he's white.
A better question would be is he one of the most famous rappers ever because he's white.

From 99-2003:
SSLP - 4× Platinum
MMLP - Diamond
The Eminem Show - Diamond
7 Grammys & an Oscar (Lose Yourself)

Eminem is one of the greatest rappers ever but the white factor definitely helped him.
Imma use the analogy of Tiger Woods & golf. Tiger has skills, no doubt. But to see a black man dominate a white sport is what made black people really embrace him.
White America saw Eminem dominate a black sport and they embraced him.

Is my question really stupid? I think the question confronts the unspoken issue about how racialized we are as a society. How some people  unconsciously takes sides and form a bias when it comes to race. It's called implicit bias, and a study proved that 75% of whites and Asians have a racial preference to white people. The same study showed 50% of blacks are biased towards other blacks.

I don't know what race you are, but look at how you were quick to label the thread title as "stupid", yet you went on to demonstrated its essences in perfect detail that shows how whites are partitioned into an ascended class possessing exemplary bench marks by which to measure other classes from a position of inferiority.


Not only that, you're saying whites celebrated the fact he "dominated" in a predominately black genre of music and its industry.


So I ask again, what's makes Eminem "good", because of record sales? Because of his musical achievement awards? All of which are DOMINATED by white American STANDARDS. And the one magazine that was once held as the Holy Grail of Hip-Hop, chose to refute Eminem's popularity was destroyed with tactics that prior weren't respected by the institution of Hip-Hop. So who originally decided he was "good" enough to be held on the same mantle as Biggie and Tupac?  

Leaving the unanswered question, is Eminem good because he's white?

 

[sea manup]

regardless of what you think of em's verses i dont see how you can listen to renegade and think jay looked (sounded?) bad

 

[Hahahaha]

Also how is eminent the best to ever do it when he has NO classic album under his belt
A classic album transcends and maintains through time
Essentially timeless
No matter what era u hear it
It STILL sounds relevant and great to the ears
MMLP which is arguably his best bum sounds like trash to me now
Can't stand to listen to it except for a few songs

You my guy and we agree on damn near everything for some reason but not here. Two of those three early albums (SSLP, MMLP and TES) are classics. I'm cool with people calling all three classics.

Em's 1-3 is untouchable. I'm taking those 3 albums over pretty much everyone's. Only people that are messing with them is NaS, Pac and maybe DMX. X's 1-2 albums are so damn great but his 3rd had some holes and he never had another great album.

 

[nawghtyhare]

Also how is eminent the best to ever do it when he has NO classic album under his belt
A classic album transcends and maintains through time
Essentially timeless
No matter what era u hear it
It STILL sounds relevant and great to the ears
MMLP which is arguably his best bum sounds like trash to me now
Can't stand to listen to it except for a few songs

You my guy and we agree on damn near everything for some reason but not here. Two of those three early albums (SSLP, MMLP and TES) are classics. I'm cool with people calling all three classics.

Em's 1-3 is untouchable. I'm taking those 3 albums over pretty much everyone's. Only people that are messing with them is NaS, Pac and maybe DMX. X's 1-2 albums are so damn great but his 3rd had some holes and he never had another great album.

U know I'm nt gonna front
Maybe I'm a little biased because he's white
And he's mainstream
I can admit it
And his albums just don't seem to have things I can relate to

 

[john hancock]

 
regardless of what you think of em's verses i dont see how you can listen to renegade and think jay looked (sounded?) bad

************* say that I'm foolish, I only talk about jewels/
Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it/
See, I'm influenced by the ghetto you ruined/
That same dude you gave nothing, I made something/



...although that was a lot of illness to pack into four bars, Eminem still murdered him on his own ****: 

 

[OBAMA]

eminem's whole career is manufactured around being a white goofball

he can rap but he is not/will never be a goat

jimmy iovine and dr dre made up his whole image to appease to cornballs. 

there for i can never respect him as an artist. it was always making money for him.

same thing with macklemore. he knew that hipsters consume rap music so why not make a song about thift stores.

he knows gay people have a lot of power behind the scenes these days so he made a song just for them. these people aint real artist and they dont care about the culture

and thats why the culture is dying so rapidly